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[Red Kilt]

Riverman,

I think you are playing a risky game. Paying taxi money to filipinas only gets you so far. I also think buying jewelry for filipinas in-lieu of a bigger monetary payment, is directing these filipinas down a road that they reasonably believe leads to a serious relationship and marriage. No matter how many times you tell a filipina you don't want a serious relationship, your actions (jewelry and telling them they are beautiful and other compliments) keeps the dream alive for them.

Paying 1000php for a ST session with a filipina sends a message that you will treat them right and she will realize it's jerjer you're after. No matter how strongly the filipina objects to taking the money, in the end she will accept it. It sends a message you are not looking for a serious relationship. Sometimes when a filipina accepts the money she also accepts the fact you do not view her as a potential GF-Asawa and that's often harder for a filipina to get over.

I have to agree with Stroker here on every point.

Even cheap trinkets send the wrong message, and when the "romantic thrill" of getting jewellery wears off then she cannot pawn the bling bling when she needs cash for food or other necessities. Small items of clothing are less "romantic" and may give her a bigger thrill.

It's cash all the way with these girls. And I agree with David33: a blue note is the minimum for a FL or even an everyday housewife woman just having some fun. Anything less is kuripot.

As stated elsewhere. 1500 is my minimum, and I am not swayed by anybody's arguments one way or the other. I'd rather give her 1500 to spend as she wishes than traipse along to a store and buy her jeans and other stuff. I never do that.

[Stroker Ace88]

Yet another new thread, hell no. Have a look at all the empty new threads we have got already.

I agree with Sxxxx, no need for another thread. The Philippines ROD thread covers all Philippine threads and that includes the Cebu sub-section.

[Stroker Ace88]

Now that I've got my approach down, I'm sure it would work fine if I wasnt here full time. I do think, however, that ones own frame of mind comes into play. If you only have a week or two, then I can see it being stressfull taking a chance on a girl without getting that up from deal nailed down.

As regards "middle class" that is very relative. A girl who's family live in an actual house, albiet crumbling with a roof that leaks like a sieve, is in a much better situation than a family that lives in the cemetary or in a squatter slum / village. The real point is that, if you talk to them like a regular person, listen to what they have to say, smile at them, compliment them, show some empathy then many of these girls don't want to appear the working girl to you.

The standard of living that we would consider "middle class" here is solidly in the rich category. The hot rich girls here I always see with very handsome pinoy guys or ugly pinoy guys that are obviously from very wealthy families (yes, that young man is vastly obese, but that $10, 000 watch on his wrist sure is nice). These girls never even look at me. By good job, I really mean ANY job. One girl I saw works as an assembler at an electrons company. She makes PHP 8, 000 per month. About $200 USD. Another is an agent in a call center making PHP 18, 000 per month. Both of these girls wouldn't even take taxi money the first time.

With this type of girl, if I feel she won't take anything on the second date, I will buy her something at Unisilver like a bracelet or neckless or something for P500 or P600. While I don't want to overpay, I don't want to be a total cheap charlie either.

Regarding looks, if the girl is willing to sit down with you and have a coke, or coffee, or jollibee or whatever, then you are good looking enouph for her. I just make sure that they know I'm not looking for a serious relationship before I get romantically charming, a little touchy feely (hand on her arm, touching her back, holding her hand, etc) , or see if she will go somewhere we can be alone. If she wants to keep hope maybe I will fall in love with in this process down the road, then that is her issue, I've given fair warning. I'm mid forties and rather fat. Perhaps my face is handsome, but I'm sure not winning anyone's stud contest.

If at any time a girl starts to scam me with sob stories or pumping me for large sums of piso or presents, I dump her forthwith. Once it starts it only gets worse. At that point, I go on the hunt for fresh action if I don't already have something in the back pocket.

David, I don't want to give you the impression that most of these girls I see won't take my money or that I don't give it. The majority of them need it and will take it. There are those girls, however, who its better to wait until the 2nd or 3rd "date" before you give them the full ST (for me thats P650 all-in) amount.

The important thing for the girl, is that in her mind she is not a prostitute. We didn't talk money up front, agree to any specific acts or any of that. We are friends. We are agreed that we will have an ongoing relationship and friendship. She has gifted me with sex. It is kind of me if I gift her with money later, but it is a kindness as we never stipulated that. Here they call this "special friends." She has given me something I need, and I have given her something she needs, without any specific demands. This is friendship no? This may be putting lipstick on the pig, but I'm I didn't create these girls psychology, I only take it as it comes.

Riverman,

I think you are playing a risky game. Paying taxi money to filipinas only gets you so far. I also think buying jewelry for filipinas in-lieu of a bigger monetary payment, is directing these filipinas down a road that they reasonably believe leads to a serious relationship and marriage. No matter how many times you tell a filipina you don't want a serious relationship, your actions (jewelry and telling them they are beautiful and other compliments) keeps the dream alive for them.

Paying 1000php for a ST session with a filipina sends a message that you will treat them right and she will realize it's jerjer you're after. No matter how strongly the filipina objects to taking the money, in the end she will accept it. It sends a message you are not looking for a serious relationship. Sometimes when a filipina accepts the money she also accepts the fact you do not view her as a potential GF-Asawa and that's often harder for a filipina to get over.

In the end it's your life and your call.

[Stroker Ace88]

Like they say in LOS: "up to you". I still think that 650 is on the cheap charlie side. I have never given less than 1000 (around $25) , which seems to be in line with most of the forum posters. I could very well be overpaying, but after seeing how some of these girls live, I don't mind the extra $10. Then again, I don't live in Cebu and your situation is probably a lot different than mine. I just didn't want sporadic visitors to Cebu to get the idea that 650 is what should be given a girl who has performed well. Just MHO. Everyone has their own idea on what to give the girls. If you are comfortable giving 650 and haven't been labeled as a koripot and someone to avoid by the girls, then its working for you. Anyway, there are also guys who have posted that are so clueless, they think that just because the girls don't ask for money, that means that they shouldn't give them a peso.

IMO, David's post is more POD worthy. He pays the going rate for non-pro sessions and paying less is kuripot style. I agree 100 percent with the comment on guys who think because a girl doesn't ask for money the time spent together was a 'freebie' or she doesn't want money. Newbies should take note of the advice posted by D33, but many don't.

Just a little tidbit of info on this subject. I attended a family function along with a filipina back in 2010. I was her guest at the function and I met one of her cousins. Turns out the cousin was also into dating foreigners and asked me to hook her up with some of my friends. She talked my ear off and told me some stories of the foreign guys she dated-dates and showed me pics on her iphone. She mentioned she has a daughter and also mentioned her husband. At this point I stopped her because I was confused why she was dating foreigners if she was already married. Turns out she broke up with her Filipino husband shortly after the birth of her daughter and then her husband was arrested and is now serving time.

Anyways it seems she is paying for her education through dating foreigners she meets online. She told me stories of guys who promise to take good care of her blah blah blah and then after the session refuse to pay up or give her what she feels is enough. She told me she dated a guy from California who was rich and was very gwapo but never paid her anything. She told me her child can't eat love and the Uni doesn't accept good will. Only cash will do. She decided to fix him. So during one session suddenly there was loud knocking at the hotel room door and then the door opened. Standing in the door was the hotel manager and two PNP officers. Turns out she also has a cousin who is a PNP officer and they burst into the hotel claiming to be her husbands family members. They took the guy to the station on fuente and when all was said and done the guy paid 50 000php to walk from the potential charge of adultery, which is a real and punishable offense in the Philippines The guy paid up BIG TIME for his kuripot style. The girl took her cut while her PNP cousin and his PNP friends took the rest.

When she told me the story it made me sit up and take notice. Later at the same function I was introduced to her PNP cousin and he seemed like a nice enough bloke but in the end it all comes down to money and how you treat people. I asked her how much she expected and the answer was,"atleast a blue note di ba but I'm no a GRO, I like blue note to go with imported blue eyes!".

Later in the taxi I asked my filipina about her cousin. She told me her cousin dates lots of foreigners and likes to have fun. She goes with guys that pay her and that her cousin has 'fixed' a few of the foreigners who refused to pay. One guy was a banker from Singapore and took her cousin to Boracay and considered the trip as payment. When he came back a few months later to visit the cousin he was served his blue note special.

[Punter 127]

There is a very useful book available from National Book Store called "Understanding Filipino Values, a Management Approach, by Tomas D. Andres.

He says the following and I think we all should take note of it.

'Foreigners have frequently pointed out that equivocation, 'white lies', and euphemistic discourse to avoid unpleasant truths are characteristically Filipino, making an attempt to not embarrass or displease other persons. The Filipino anticipates and gives the expected answer, avoiding if possible a negative reply.

Hence, a question by a person seeking a positive answer concerning for example the quantity of payment for services rendered will invariably be answered with 'It's up to you. ' '

Very interesting and I'm sure the book is a very insightful analysis.

In this case I was suggesting (or hoping) the words of the Filipino saying be literally embraced by members of this forum.

Thanks for your input.

[Red Kilt]

I do have a bit of good news, I've been told that most girls will let you give them more if it makes you feel better. 'Up to you' as they say here, a simple little saying that I wish others would embrace.

There is a very useful book available from National Book Store called "Understanding Filipino Values, a Management Approach, by Tomas D. Andres.

He says the following and I think we all should take note of it.

'Foreigners have frequently pointed out that equivocation, 'white lies', and euphemistic discourse to avoid unpleasant truths are characteristically Filipino, making an attempt to not embarrass or displease other persons. The Filipino anticipates and gives the expected answer, avoiding if possible a negative reply.

Hence, a question by a person seeking a positive answer concerning for example the quantity of payment for services rendered will invariably be answered with 'It's up to you. ' '

[Punter 127]

What does that have to do with Cebu? Which bar in Cebu costs 700p for ST?

I only mentioned AC as an example of Filipina's offering FS for 500p or less (after the bars cut) also I think the AC cost of living is similar, and both places are after all in the Philippines.

I rarely go to bars in Cebu because I think they're overpriced, perhaps because of the willingness of visitors to overpay. Also because of the availability of what I consider to be a much higher caliber of girl. I can however tell you that I've been offered sex on the streets of Cebu for as low as 300p.

In retrospect I probably shouldn't have mentioned bars at all as my post was really about internet and mall girls that are not p4p, sorry.

I do have a bit of good news, I've been told that most girls will let you give them more if it makes you feel better. 'Up to you' as they say here, a simple little saying that I wish others would embrace.

I might at times explain to someone that I think they overpaid, not to criticize but as an attempt to educate, but at the end of the day what another guy pays is really no skin off my nose.

What I don't understand is why when you think a guy has underpaid you react as if someone had poked you in the eye with a stick. What's up with that?

[Member #4351]

after all there are bars in AC that you can pull a girl for short time for 700p and that includes bar fine, so how for off the norm could 500p be?

What does that have to do with Cebu? Which bar in Cebu costs 700p for ST?

[Member #4351]

The DIA girls that want to come over to your hotel are looking to get paid right?

Tell them you have their 650 pesos waiting for them and let us know what happens.

[Borisut]

The DIA girls that want to come over to your hotel are looking to get paid right?

Whenever I suggest meeting at a mall they say "no, only at your hotel"

I have become paranoid about scams after reading through the "Avoiding Freelancer Scams and Extortions" threads, so I try to meet them on neutral territory first.

[Punter 127]

I give girls that I meet in the mall (including those that work there) and girls from DIA 500p after a short visit if it includes sex, and I always pay for their Jeepney ride back to the mall. Most of these girls are not really working girls and some won't have sex on the first visit. When they do have sex many of them get very upset when you try to give them money as they don't want to be considered a hooker. So I make up a reason for giving them money, and they're normally very eager for a return visit.

Girls that ask in advance 'what's in it for me' or set a price I avoid, because there are so many normal willing girls available here. I suspect there are more guys that live in Cebu who give 500p to this type of girl than there is who give them 1000k plus. Many of the guys that visit here have a what the hell it's only $10 and I'm on vacation attitude. For others I think overpaying is a way of dealing with compunction.

I don't think 500k is out of line, after all there are bars in AC that you can pull a girl for short time for 700p and that includes bar fine, so how for off the norm could 500p be? If a girl is looking for money in exchange for sex then she should set her price before hand or accept what's offered. IMHO

[Member #4351]

For those lacking in time or inclination to do as I described.

You didn´t describe anything, you bragged about underpaying naive girls that you have been able to pick up in malls. Mall hunting has been written about dozens of times on the forum. You said nothing new, and IMHO nothing worthwhile. I would rate it up there with your brilliant idea of having a girl fork out for a passport in order to check her age.

Your inane carping and arrogance do not change this fact.

Cheap Charlies are always defensive.

[FruitNinja]

You should be grateful you don't have to fuck my wife.

Just kidding but that was a pretty good reply.

[Riverman]

Well sorry, but that is what is mostly on this forum. And if these guys don't know any better, listen to you and start offering 650 pesos to the girls they meet in the normal P4P locations, they will get shot down quickly. In my opinion, paying a girl 650 is being a cheap charlie. The guys I know who both live and visit Cebu, are paying around what I do (1000 or $25) or more. Of course this could be a function of the fact that I don't like to hang around with cheapskates, who knows? Many girls have complained to me about guys they have met online or wherever who only gave them chump change (around 500) or didn't even pay for their taxi. I will certainly keep paying what for me is a normal and reasonable amount. You can keep being a kuripot.

Your welcome to your opinion, but its not the only one.

And I guess your a rather dim bulb as I never offered this approach as being suitable for normal P4P locations (quite the opposite) , but you keep carping as if I did.

For those lacking in time or inclination to do as I described, by all means, paying P1 or P1. 5K for ST action is both reasonable and appropriate.

However, there are girls who are not regular denziens of those locals, who are nice and attractive and who are willing and satisfied with less. Your inane carping and arrogance do not change this fact.

[Member #4351]

Even a bunch of working girl mongers.

Well sorry, but that is what is mostly on this forum. And if these guys don't know any better, listen to you and start offering 650 pesos to the girls they meet in the normal P4P locations, they will get shot down quickly. In my opinion, paying a girl 650 is being a cheap charlie. The guys I know who both live and visit Cebu, are paying around what I do (1000 or $25) or more. Of course this could be a function of the fact that I don't like to hang around with cheapskates, who knows? Many girls have complained to me about guys they have met online or wherever who only gave them chump change (around 500) or didn't even pay for their taxi. I will certainly keep paying what for me is a normal and reasonable amount. You can keep being a kuripot.