Kyiv

[Prosal]

Try not calling her a fatso in the first few lines of conversation

That is IMO one the fondamental difference between Ukrainian and Russian girls. Russians usually very very witty. They are on the whole also smarter.

[Soren60]

LOL I just got into Kiev and my first trip here.

Joined mamba yesterday and have 5 young hotties lined up for sex and more coming in.

Maybe your fugly?

LOL

Maybe the problem is that I not searching for young girls, rather 30+.

I don't understand what "fugly" is? I am not English speaking.

[Cruiser D]

One of the rare times Pro is right.

Scientifically proven fact? If not, I will get out my old physics book and have a go with Fido.

I call myself Sonofabeach on a site, and I have had girls from everywhere calling me idiot several times for not understanding that it should be "son of a *". I write that I am looking for a girl for fun in the sun on some beach somewhere. Still no connection in the brain for the little hoes.

B

[Cruiser D]

vodka bar has a fantastic location and was good when it started.

now it's over run by third world nationals, ukrainian guys with no money and sad ukrainian girls.

my visit was a side effect of repeating "just another beer" for a few times after dinner with some staff, and living at the infamous k-street 13/2. imagine how many buckets of tourist juice that was fired away in that building. i was tired and was supposed to sleep, and walked in for a "quick peek". yea right. i can only agree that the place qualifies as "the worst".

like the ones that hunts with bow and arrow and have feathers in the hair?

b

born in the usa.

[Climaxnow]

I agree. 90% are not pros on Mamba.

I think 90% are pros / agencies on Mamba when you average all the profiles of girls open to communicating with a non age appropriate male.

[Cruiser D]

So basically you guys over pay on dates that you already know are going no where?

Awesome.

Husband in Canada, wife in Ukraine playing scam the tourist? Stay far far far away with anyone associated with this. Go to a night club and bang some hot girl for $300 and stop wasting time.

JS.

I believe we got the girls mixed up or their are just liars. When I was last Sept I believe Liza who I dealt on the emails but never met was the owner and she was married to a Lebanese guy from Canada who ironically was on the same flight as me from Toronto the day I was coming in. They were liars on price too as I agreed on a price for Roksolana for $15 a hour day and night and when I met her she claimed she knew nothing of it and wanted she night rate of $25 a hour. Roksolana claimed she was single and lived with friends but from her looks and education I knew right away she was no average club / Mamba girl but was looking for a big fish.

[Cruiser D]

Very few Russian / Ukrainian girls understand western humour, add into that translation problems. It's best to be careful the first few encounters.

Try not calling her a fatso in the first few lines of conversation.

Obviously, you were trying to be funny, but they often have very little sense of humor or playfulness.

[Member #4491]

try to make humour with a Ukrainian girl girl and you'll get the same response that you'll get from your dog if you try to explain him quantic physic.

Scientifically proven fact? If not, I will get out my old physics book and have a go with Fido.

I call myself Sonofabeach on a site, and I have had girls from everywhere calling me idiot several times for not understanding that it should be "son of a *****". I write that I am looking for a girl for fun in the sun on some beach somewhere. Still no connection in the brain for the little hoes.

B

[Guntherus]

, the only one smart for a reply. And if you still believe in good feelings, please do not frequent females for your health!

Doctorator, I suggest.

[Bill1963]

Now I have try Mamba for two weeks. I am very disappointed. I send over 300 messageges, and get answer from max. 50. Most of the answer is like "pervert" "fuck you" and so on. That 90% of Mamba should be prostitutes, that some in this thread mention, can't be true. I get answers from 10 prostitutes, and the price is not lower then you can find on TopModal.

LOL I just got into Kiev and my first trip here.

Joined mamba yesterday and have 5 young hotties lined up for sex and more coming in.

Maybe your fugly?

LOL

[Prosal]

What did I do wrong? Any suggestion on how to better communicate on Mamba?

She wanted the wine, the dine, probably without the 69. I have no clue on exacly WHERE we did not connect. Suggestions?

That was good, but to attempt humour with an obtuse girl is running into walls.

It reminds me a ukrainian girl (not on mamba, but a real dating site) who had, on her gallery, a photo of her with a baby kangoroo, obviously shooted in Australia. I wrote her "Your little dog is nice, what race is he?" (you'll agree that it was a witty message) , and she replied in bold letters "IT IS NOT A DOG STUPID, IT'S A KANGOROO". Hmmm. Russian girls are often super witty, but most often, try to make humour with a Ukrainian girl girl and you'll get the same response that you'll get from your dog if you try to explain him quantic physic.

[AColonizer]

I am reading some posts here, someone in horrible English, someone about silly expensive escort agencies, and this one below, the only one smart for a reply.

Do you know females are used to cheat for their own nature? So you should do the same. Get any kind of information about her, always say yes / maybe, be stupidly accommodating, and then meet her in real person, and be ready at any kind of cheat / sadistic tactics to have sex with her. The second rule in the sex war is: more you are sadistic with a smile, and more a female really loves you. If she proves to be a real good girl, then you change your behavior, otherwise you have to trash her as much as she exploits you! And if you still believe in good feelings, please do not frequent females for your health!

What did I do wrong? Any suggestion on how to better communicate on Mamba?

She wanted the wine, the dine, probably without the 69. I have no clue on exacly WHERE we did not connect. Suggestions?

[Tomux 22]

Pros or not pros, fact is 99, 9% of club girls and mamba girls are bitches. So not any user guide needed after all.

[Member #4491]

Now I have try Mamba for two weeks. I am very disappointed.

I agree. 90% are not pros on Mamba.

Soren60, I assume you approach them in a polite manner and make then read between the lines, especially if you want just sex? I suggest you never ask a woman to admit to what she really is. Maybe this is obvious information, but try to avoid to make her having to answer YES to a delicate question that might reveal her willingness to compromise her pretended impeccable moral standards for some cash. Rewrite your purpose for contacting her in a politer manner, so that she can accept your offer without having to admit she is a first class hoe that will suck your duck for money. Many women like to pretend they are sitting on moral high ground. It makes this kind of women, or rather their little ego, feel more valuable in their own eyes.

When it comes to the stated age preferences on Mamba, I avoid females that states an age bracket more than a couple of years lower than my stated age (that in turn is a couple of years lower than my real age). The attractive ones who did not specify any age preference, or the ones that has stated a bracket my stated age falls into, I will send an introduction to. Mamba is a numbers game. Fortunately they did not block copy and paste like for example DateInAsia so you can reach your message limit for the day, without that much effort. Chatting with females requires just about as much skills as talking to females. If the actual reply rate you get is one out of six contacted, and you do not catch anyone of those, you maybe need to try to be a bit more colorful in your introduction and in your follow up messages. In addition it helps if you have a story other than "fuck fiesta" to why you go to UA. The hard core p4p girls do not give a shit if you have a t-shirt that reads "sex tourist", but IMHO this is not the primary target group to chase on Mamba.

B.

[LilJoey]

Now I have try Mamba for two weeks. I am very disappointed. I send over 300 messageges, and get answer from max. 50. Most of the answer is like "pervert" "fuck you" and so on. That 90% of Mamba should be prostitutes, that some in this thread mention, can't be true. I get answers from 10 prostitutes, and the price is not lower then you can find on TopModal.

You probably identified yourself as a "pervert" by the nature and content of the message you sent to girls on mamba. Ru.

I read this Kiev thread regularly and do not recall it being stated by anyone legitimate on this thread that "90% of mamba should be prostitutes" or that the "price is lower than can be found on TopModal". (If these erroneous things were said by anyone and escaped my notice, be assured that it must have been said by someone who recognizeably and regularly talks out of their ass. But give us a citation, Soren, and a quote, please, so we can see the actual source of your unfortunate confusion.)

What I do recall is numerous postings that I and others made in this thread discussing the changes happening on mamba, and setting out some good advice on how to handle yourself on mamba to get some good results. None of which you seem to have read or followed.

Factually, Mamba. Ru website underwent significant changes in 2012 and continuing. One of the chief changes was the elimination of the "sex for money" and "sponsorship" option in the "I am Looking For" section of the profiles. Now the website allows only the options "Looking for": "Friendship","Relationship / Dating", and "Travel". Along with these changes, there seems to be a definite effort on the part of the Administration of mamba. Ru, to purge from the website the profiles posted by girls or agencies with a "business" purpose of seeking money for sex, and one sees a relentless cascade of profile deletions on mamba. Ru, evidencing this struggle of the Administrators to purge, versus the girls who continue to try to do business and get customers. Due to the ever-constant deletions of profiles of p4p girls on mamba, when you do make contact with one that seems interesting, endeavor to get the phone number quickly, and use the "print screen" option on your computer that enables you to make "screen shots", to copy the girl's photos from the website and paste them into a Word document along with their name, phone number, price, language skills, and any other particulars you want to have handy, so that you can still use this girl's contact and photos, after her profile is soon deleted.

Instead of telling you to simply read my prior posts on the the thread about how to monger on mamba. Ru, since I recently wrote some mamba guidelines and advice for another member who contacted me by PM, and I have it readily available to copy / paste it here, I will do so. Although I am not at all certain that it will help you in the long run, because you might be lacking in a certain intuition that is needed for such matters, an intuition that would have saved you from your previous failures on mamba which you just referenced. But here goes anyways, as some other newbie might benefit too.

"How to handle yourself on mamba. Ru has been the subject of at least three of my posts on the thread. Haven't you been reading the thread?

My practice is to look for signs that a girl "might" be looking for money for sex and / or sponsorship. Now that the girls cannot indicate this directly. There is little left to use to come to a conclusion on it. However, the one thing I have come up with is that I look at the girl's age in comparison to the age's of men she says in her profile she is interested to meet. If a girl is looking to meet men up to 10 years older than herself, she is most likely looking for regular dating. But if I see that she listed in her profile that she is looking for men more than 10 or 15 years older than herself, I conclude that this is a sign of a girl looking for "sponsorship". Also I only search for girls in the age's of 18. 24 or 25, to make this calculation easier to notice. So if a man is listed on mamba as in his 40's, then if a girl in her teens or early 20's says she is looking for a man up to age 30, I would not bother her and would not write to her. If she is in her early 20's and lists that she is interested in men up to age 35, I also would not bother her, but if she's only 18, and very cute, I might write to her to take a chance. But if a girl from age 18 to 24 writes in her profile that she is looking for men up to age 40, 50, 60 or even 80, then I assume that it is a sign she is looking for sponsorship, and I would write to her.

If you are a younger guy in your 30's, and you are looking for p4p, you can still use this idea as a way of discerning whether a girl is looking for p4p. If she says she is interested in meeting men more than 10 or 15 years older than herself, you can take a chance on writing to her a subtle message that does not mention money or sex. If she is p4p, she will let you know. If not, write to her as a freebie, and if you have time in Kiev, meet with her for a coffee date. Who knows where it can lead.

Even though, based on the age preference she has listed, I have a clue that she is a p4p (pay for play) girl, it is not conclusive. So as to WHAT I write in my initial message, I am very guarded and circumspect, and I do not mention money AT ALL! I simply give her compliments about things about her I saw in her profile or photos, and tell her I would love to meet her when I am in Kiev on business. And I include that if she is interested to meet me, to please send me her telephone number and her conditions.

I don't ask her anything about how much money. I only use the unclear word "conditions". I want her to be the first one to mention money. My reason is that just in case she is NOT a p4p girl, and she is actually a regular girl, I do not want to ruin it, so that if she is interested in meeting me for a regular date at a coffee shop or something, and I have some time, maybe if she is really very cute, I would meet with her for a regular date, to see where it leads. Still she would be a very young 18 to 24 year old girl, going on a date with a forty-something year old foreign businessman. I feel that ultimately she will want something like sponsorship, but she will not admit that to herself, because she says to herself that she is not a prostitute like the others. She is looking for a real friendship and relationship. But if she finds that relationship with an older nice businessman, he will likely help her in some ways that he can. So I believe that it can develop into a relationship in which sex is a part of it, and financial assistance is also a part of it. So I write to her my message about giving her telephone number and "conditions".

I use Google Translate to write this initial message in Russian, even though her profile says she speaks English, as well as other languages. I have seen listed that a girl speaks English, Spanish, Italian, French, German etc. I believe there is a possibility that this is meant to encourage men from those countries to write. It also could be she is a student at the language university program, studying foreign languages. But usually those girls listing English have not really had such good English skills. Anyway, I write in Russian, because I am prepared to have an actual date in Russian using my Google Translate application in my iPhone or laptop.

Most times the girl writes back a message that she provides sexual services. She may include prices. I continue messaging with her until I get her phone number. At that point, I move her chat messaging icon into a folder of my Contacts for that trip. Those girls that have responded, but have not yet given their phone numbers remain in the General folder in the messages section of mamba.

Because profiles are deleted so often, I use "print screen" function on my laptop to get copies of their pictures from the mamba profiles in my Contacts folder, and save the pictures into a Word document, together with their name and prices and any other particulars I want to remember. So that I can still call her and remember who she is by her photos, even if her profile gets deleted from mamba before I arrive in Kiev for my trip.

If she does not reply to my initial message with a message about sex and money prices. Then I still never mention money first. I will proceed with her to pursue a regular sexual relation and if she wants money, she is going to have to be the first one to mention it.

I never admit that I am a man wanting sex for money.

If a girl writes back a question, what do I mean by "condition"?"What conditions am I speaking about?" Etc. I never answer that I want to know how much money they want. Instead I reply that I have no conditions to having a meeting, and I don't have any conditions in mind. But some girls on mamba have conditions. So if she is a girl that does not have conditions, then let us just meet and enjoy a nice time together.

If they ask what I am looking for on this mamba website, I feel like they are trying to find out if I am a sex tourist looking for girls for sex for money. So I reply to such questions, that I am looking for what I listed in my profile, to meet women for "Friendship, Relationship / Dating and Travel". I might add sometimes a line stating that "financial assistance may be available". If they ask what amount. I say that it depends on the level and depth of our relationship. If we marry, it would be total support. If we are in an exclusive romantic relationship, there would be greater amount of assistance than if the romantic relationship was not exclusive. And a more casual type of dating would have less assistance than that. But that I am a generous man, and would always want to help a girl that I like and am interested in, because I know that life is hard for a young woman in Kiev, and she has many things that she needs help with. Then I suggest having a first meeting.

I try to get them to be the first to suggest that they want "financial assistance" even before there is a "relationship", and even on the first date. If we come to a point that we are talking about financial assistance at the first date, then I suggest that our first date should be at my apartment downtown. If she agrees, then I think it is probably a given that she understands it includes having a sexual relationship. If she then asks how much financial assistance would be involved, it's the same as asking how much money for several hours companionship. I then would tell her that I am comfortable with around $100 / hour, which is what other girls on Mamba asked for.

That's the mamba primer."

Now, I know this is not enough to guide you at every single step, and you will have to use your intelligence and intuition about what is appropriate to say at a given moment, and what is not appropriate to say or write in a message. Your success or failure at this, depends to a large degree on your "people skills" and your "game" with women.

It is not uncommon that most of your initial messages will remain un-replied to. That is normal for mamba. If you are seeking p4p on mamba, it is like going fishing. You don't just stick a bare hook in the water. You put in something more subtle. And when you get a bite, you can see if the response is an obvious p4p message or not. If the first thing a girl writes back to you is a price, or a list of available intimate services, it is a P4P girl, and likely an agency. So you may proceed to reel that contact in and get the phone number. If a more general type response is received, just continue the conversation as if you were trying to get a date from a pretty young girl. Let the girl raise the issue of wanting or needing sponsorship or money. You do not become obligated in anything just by writing on mamba. You can always decide with whom actually to spend time meeting when you get to Kiev and see how much time you have.

I hope your next efforts on mamba are more tactful and well received.

LJ