Kyiv

[TheKnight]

It's silly how stacked up you can get on the last day.

On the last day of my last trip to Kiev I said fck it. Girls wanted to meet and I just told them to come but there might be other girls here, I'm a popular man and it's my last night in Kiev. At one point I had four girls in my apartment at the same time. Starting from 0400 that morning I had 4 girls, spaced a few hours apart, the night ended in a threesome. It was awesome.

The new crop of rent girls don't want to practice fair trade, they just want to 'borrow' rent money.

Pizdets! Cruiser. Only once a year do I read something and think "fuck, why didn't I think of that?"

Awesome. Agree it's probably harder now, but I will try the tactic next month!

Indeed I could be having 2 or 3 "last nights")

[TheKnight]

Just catching up on the forums.

Saw some people posting about the "asking for rent money."

I have been chatting with some girls on mamba, actually just looking for normal dates and getting to know people for travel.

I had one girl I spoke with a couple of times do the "I need money for rent" thing. Big emergency of course, going to get thrown out. Anyway I told her sorry I didn't run around sending western union to people I don't know. That got an explosion of "you think all girls are out for money" etc. Complete over reaction.

Too bad as she was a nice looking girl. I didn't bother responding just blocked her. More people should do this and then maybe it would stop, but it's got to be working with some guys or else it wouldn't be catching on like a fever.

Next thing you know they're going to be asking for money to help with the sick water buffalo back on the farm.

Nu the. Same as the "marriage agencies".

I know girls who have profiles on some of the more respectable ones, and some girls who work for these agencies just spend all day writing pretending to be one of the girls, and the sad victims pay for each letter they send and each one they read I believe.

The translators in some agencies are told to ask for cash for rent, or mother's operation, or the water buffalo!

And the girls quickly learn they can do it just as well as the agencies and get all the money themselves.

But hey. Survival of the fittest. If guys are stupid enough to pay for marriage agencies, or letters, or send money to some fake they don't even know exists, then let them waste their money.

[TheKnight]

If my previous post came across as promoting Budda bar it was not my intention, I agree that the place is shit I was simply trying to say that although the girls their ask for lots of money you don't have to pay what they want if you are prepared to put a little time and effort in. As I wrote before the best place to find p4p in Kiev is everywhere. I have found girls in every pub and nightclub I have been in, I use Mamba and some of the escort sites mentioned on this forum. Talking to girls in the street and coffee shops also works. As for your quote about slavic girls being very vain and proper I have to agree, (I was married to one for 5 years). I would have to describe myself as fat, bald and fugly. I dress ok but I'm not a dedicated follower of fashion. (Maybe this is the secret to success in Kiev because I do very well there) with both freebies and cheap p4p. My Russian language ability is around 10 words and Ukrainian 0. But I do understand women. Regarding Kiev as being an expensive place to live as a westerner I would say that apart from the accommodation it is no more expensive than living at home.

StevK, apartments same as at home? They are great and cheap. Especially if you develop relationship with an agency as a frequent visitor. And you can eat really well in Puzata Hata or similar places for a pittance. Even the pivo's cheap here, and now it's even easier for tourists as most dishes have English translations alongside Ukr. And boy was it difficult a few years ago!

Buddha Bar. Yep shit. Cruiser D, Hunter Dave, Barba, LJ. There is a reason none of the most helpful and informative people here don't write about BB.

And more than physical looks, it is about confidence and dress sense in Kyiv with devushki. You can be short fat and bald, but dress well, act confident, and you will still do ok.

And coffee shops are perfect. So easy to politely hit on girls. I have such fond memories of one encounter when I fancied one girl on a table of 4 giggling students, and ended up with her and her friend in my bed."a present" only mentioned when we were in a taxi on the way back to my apartment!

But SHota Rostaveli is my failure. One gorgeous waitress in a coffee shop, and one super sexy in a snack restaurant on there, and despite chats, smiles, SMS, I did not manage to get either into bed. Note to self: I really should steer clear of the workers and stick to studentki.

[TheKnight]

July? Rule one: cis people do not plan the future. They take a million now and do not wait until next week to have two.

Be nice, not agressive. You have lots of time. Compliment the girls, build a list of somewhat 100 favorites and then days before you go massmail them all with copypaste and fix the date. And get their number then. The real girls will not disappear, only the fake ones go. It is very hard to get the number off a girl for next weekend. It is now, or not!

Don't overpay. 100 is a good basis, usually one hour. I tend to agree the price, then tell them they must stay 2-3 hours just before meeting me. 90 perc. Agreeto that.

You come in a bad time. Rent is paid by then, and next rent is faaaaar away (see cis mentality above)

Do not ask for services. They all think they are not hookers, and you would not ask a student on the street for the menue, but just take her home and see what happens. You can find girls who do BBBJ, most do, or pissing (rare) , or true lesbian (rare, as not really accepted in cis). All that belongs to the second date anyhow.

Do not worry about your friend. In some weeks, you have enough numbers to set him up.

Be polize, now spend ime on compliments, build trust, then hit (see above) 3 weeks before going.

Summer in Kiev is easy. You will find a nice girl on the street if you are unlucky on manba. Or at the beaches.

Do not 'book' girls in advance, you will regret' every agenda gets fucked up in cis, they are always late. And you will mess up. Do not agree with one girl for 2-3 days in a row, you will get bored and regret as you will see others.

Just catching up with the Kyiv thread after a long while away, and a few new names I see. I have to say this is one of the best posts I read in a while from someone I don't know! All very sound advice.

[Global Surfer]

Hi pals.

I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome

Best

Ukraine and Russia may be more violent than Western Europe but probably still safer than many cities in South America, Africa or Asia. I have noticed once in Caribbean, a couple of guys making inappropriate gesture towards two Swedish blacks. They were promptly removed by the over aggressive bouncers.

I think as long as you use your common sense, stick to the city centre and arrange meetings in public places you should be OK.

I suggest you meet at public places or your hotel unless you know the girl personally. I would definitely not go to someone house unless I know them personally or through a reference regardless of their colour, ethnicity, religion or country.

[Jorge Rad10]

Hi pals.

I'm coming to Kiev next month to meet some girl I got contact through some websites, I could consider them as semi pro but you never know. My fear is about people from ukraine against brown people, I have latino roots and I heard many weirds stories about murders and intolerance people. So please let me know where I should stay in Kiev and another information is more than welcome

Best

[DoctorOral]

Barba,

Clear your fucking (mail) box!

When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.

B.

[Member #4491]

When readingn IL's post I can not help to think of Young Masha who has a bf and does not want my money. Why does she sit and wait for me on VK? Why does she go out of her way to see me? Sex is great but she is 19 and I could be her dad. Is she just an attention starved nerd, bored with her physics studies and her shitty cheap life? It puzzles me. She knows I am almost married. In any case she is really sweet and I can actually feel a light stir inside when I think of her silk soft, wet, warm, sweet smelling, tight teen vagina. This is the second girl I have met in UA that is not a p4p or semi pro girl. I can easily see how a man can get lost here forever. Lovely feminin creaturs. Like pinays with brains and bigger ass.

A coupe of weeks ago I had one of my female friends in Davao saying to me "wait, she is too tight for you since she is a virgin. Let me play with her clitoris and make her wet before you press it in". After I fucked her and filled her ultra tight young (just legal) pussy with cum, I concluded that she was not a virgin and she admitted that she had sex with a guy some months ago. It was still an extremely erotic experience to open this young, shy, tight girl while her big sisters best friend "helped" her to get wet and ready and to open her legs so I could access her small vagina. It took just seconds before she was dripping wet, with her tiny nipples erect. All three of is naked under the sheet, Barba slowly working t-rex ball deep in her little pussy, and her breathing heavily from lust.

Being a serial monger and sex addict I naturally want to bury my cock in a virgin or almost virgin in UA as well, but this seems to be light years away. Or at least years away. It takes time and devotion to build networks. Have two 19 year old girls that I will see (and have seen). Inexperienced but I am not the first, that is for sure. I will not ask anyone here to share contacts with such a girl, since I know it is a bigger chance to win the lottery. But maybe some juicy story? Am I the only one that likes to fuck inexperienced teens (as well as experienced f*ck artists)? I know some guys like to take what they think is moral high ground and full of pride state that they prefer someone that is 25 and well trained, but I always think that this is either because they can not get anyone younger or because the guy does not have knowledge or stamina to do the work. Maybe I am wrong but this is what I think always.

B.

[Irish Lad]

Let's not start sucking each other's ducks quite yet, gentlemen. What works for IL might not work for LJ.

Guys) My comments are only lighthearted. There can be no experts as far as second guessing women is involved but especially in Ukraine. A girl all over you like a rash one week can not reply to your SMS's again or maybe 1 reply from her 2 weeks after banging her "My life has changed, I am now married".

The only wisdom I can offer is to do what I did 7 years ago and stop thinking about what the agenda is. You will never guess it correctly anyway. I sure as couldn't.

Thanks for the kind words. That will help me survive the next 2 weeks on my own in Kiev)

Taking Paddy to RIO and Vodka bar tomorrow. Or maybe Shooters as it will be Wednesday. Any suggestions? ( Joke)

[Member #4491]

Let's not start sucking each other's ducks quite yet, gentlemen. What works for IL might not work for LJ.

That was just a bad excuse to get to use that colorful quote by Mr Wolfe, so never mind it.

What I really meant to say was that poor Barba must stay in ponnani paradise (Asia that is right now) a couple of weeks more. Got to go back to Philippines. So J and others waiting for an email, pleas be patient. I will not leave you hanging for your virgin trip to UA. Just like Santa, Barba likes to give to the kind ones. As long as I also receive.

Second week in May I will be in Kharkov and Kiev. The Knight if you read this, you know that no excuses is good enough. I will slap you with a pair of used under wears if you do not show up. 007 I am counting on you as well and I will have a whole bag of used undies. Would be fun to meet some of you other (in) famous ISG:ers. I met a few ISG members over the years and very few where into the penis size measuring sometimes going on here. Most of the ones I met are now friends or even good friends, that I can share this secret but so juicy part of life with.

B in BKK.

[Gentleman Travel]

I have only met Irish Lad once, but have heard much of his exploits from very reliable sources, and I can tell you this guys lives a life most of us can only dream of.

A hot devoted girlfriend (s) who recruits a revolving door of bi-girls to keep things interesting. He knows everything worth knowing about scoring in Ukraine.

A wise monger should sit at his feet and take notes from the master!

No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)

"Originally Posted by Irish Lad [View Original Post]

You calling me a loser?)"

[HunterDave]

No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)

Hey! Clearly you do not know Irish! He is the salt of this Kiev forum and I can tell you that he has never steered me nor any other mongerer here astray. He always gives a fellow mongerer his 20/20 view as he sees it and his info is up to date. He has seen alot of the change that has gone on in Kiev and is always open to inform and to help us all out. Irish lives in Kiev, who better to keep those of us who ask politely the straight skinny! Keep on passing your wisdom on Irish. Is there such as thing as Irish Wisdom? I'll have to think about this! But I guess so! LOL.

Hunter Dave

[HunterDave]

Who cares really. Most people can understand the joke symbol as)

Nice one Hunter. I vote you as the expert. Who is this Crusier D guy anyway?)

Irish,

I sure don't consider myself to be an expert especially with Mamba the way the dynamics have changed these past few years (I do like the clean up they are trying to make to cut out alot of the agencies. Guess they are trying to make it more 'respectable'?) But like that blind squirrel who every once in awhile finds a nut or do I mean a nice young hottie to come to and [cum] in my bed (so I can get off a nut (I cannot remember the exact saying!). Now Cruser is the real expert I think you meant to say!

Hope you are in town later this month for a drink and some 'low key' partying!

Live long and monger!

Hunter Dave

[Irish Lad]

No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)

Who cares really. Most people can understand the joke symbol as)

Nice one Hunter. I vote you as the expert. Who is this Crusier D guy anyway?)

[Tomux 22]

You calling me a loser?)

No I don't, I don't know you. I just don't like self named experts in any kind of situation of life. (wink)