Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Opebo]

Chiman,

In fact a great many Thai girls do insist on condoms. I should know as I prefer to go without. I've had several girls walk out unpaid rather than go bareback. True, many will aquiesce to a request for bareback, but most try to persuade the customer to use a condom, and quite a few refuse condomless sex entirely. Not that this means much to your debate - I'd agree that some paid sex in Thailand is covered, some isn't - but my point is that as often as not its the Thai girl who's pushing the condom, not the customer. Of course I only do short-time so maybe if you like to take the girls overnight they're more cooperative.

[ChiMan II]

Skinless,

Ha Ha, I liked your report. I agree with you 100%. In my opinion what makes Thailand so dangerous is this. You meet a beautiful girl. She tells you everything you want to hear. She does not at all seem like a hooker which throws you off guard. You spend your evening drinking with her. Some of these girls are so sweet and full of love you actually start to like this girl. She looks at you with those beautiful eyes and that sexy smile. She just got out of the shower and she smells like soap. She smells so clean and she is only 18 she probally hasn't been withthat many people, lol. So you think. Plus, 95% of the men with them are drunk from drinking all night. Alot of these guys are not good looking and never had an experience with such a beautiful sweet girl. No girl this hot ever paid so much attention to them. Do you really think the average drunk joe will care to put a condom on? Everyone agrees that to go bareback with the girls is not a problem. So you do the math. Thailand is paradise but it is also an illusion. It would be nice thought that all these drunk guys would not like to cum in these angels. This will not stop me from going to Thailand every year but I am just extra careful.

[Skinless]

Joe: Was the fact that brothel owners in the 80% infected areas did not pay their bribes on time a factor?

[Joe Zop]

Points taken, Skinless, but at the same time most of these stats from Thailand these days come from hospital testing, and there's been a huge amount of work in LOS on testing -- I remember reading about several researchers there who were working hard on really, really inexpensive and reliable kits. The overall number of those infected does appear to have gone down in Thailand, partly because there's been a massive amount of deaths in recent years. (And the rates of new infections appear to be rising slightly in the last couple of years, though not among sex workers.)

I'd say the high rates in Phrae (and Nan, etc.) make a lot of sense, given that the rates have always been higher in the north, and brothel workers have also tended to be higher. And while there's a lot of commercial bonking going on, let's face it, most western mongers actually are condom-conscious for the most part. The existence of this thread is testimony to that.

I absolutely agree with you that many, if not most, sex workers will go skinless. We obviously all need to at least presume this to be the case for our own safety.

And can you name me anything in the world that doesn't have a vested interest? We've all got to take our information from somewhere or another, and UNAIDS and the Census Bureau are at least not completely fly-by-night.

[ChiMan II]

Us tourists are very much needed to help the Thai economy. If the sex industry dies down because of an AIDS scare this will hurt Thailand economy severly. It is in the goverments best interests to cover things up and try to keep things on the up and up. From my experience Thai woman worry more about money than STDS. People that experience Thailand will tell you it is no holds barred. It is just better to go there with the mind frame Aids is very big here. If you go there with the mind frame Thailand doesn't have that much std's then you are more likely to take chances and risks. How many places can you sit down at a bar and the girl begs you to pay her bar fine and sleep with her?

[Skinless]

Joe et al: I don't think these figures mean very much at all. The level of education/knowledge about STDs is very low and doubt has to be placed on all surveys/samples involving the ladies of the night and semi literates (and sad mongers like all of us). My experience is most hos (and mongers) will take the chance to go skinless. The Thai government has a vested interest to pretend HIV rates are lower than what they are. Although there is a thriving gay/bisexual/IV drug use culture, caution is still advised. Pattaya and similar places have to be major HIV/STD reservoirs: just look at all the commercial bonking going on there. Also, what puts Phrae up in the top league infection wise? Is there something different in the air or dicks there?

Vested interests, academic and otherwise, have been doing these bs HIV surveys for a long time now. There is little new, novel or informative in them.

[Joe Zop]

Yes, two little jokes as of course I know you always play it safe, and you've lamented before the lack of adventuresome mongers who head out and explore. I doubt such stats will encourage that, unfortunately. And absolutely, Phrae seems like the place to avoid, (along with Nan) though you gotta suspect a rather small sample there, don't you think?

[Freeler]

Joe_zop,

"The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% Freeler et all, en garde!"
Et all?
Another little joke, I presume.
And you know damn well I always cover up.

Lots of towns near BKK have very high rates of infection, as do cities in the South (muslim...) and the North-West (tribal areas...).
Am I glad I didn't stick my privat parts in any one up in Phrea... 82%hiv-infected!!!???

[Joe Zop]

With all due respect, ChiMan II, I think you're dramatically overstating things by calling Thailand "one of the AIDS capitals of the world" and that is a rather dated perspective. The HIV infection rate in Thailand, according to UNAIDS 2002 statistics, is 1.8%. It's worth noting that only a third of the adults infected are women. The overall infection rate of sex workers in urban areas is 6.7% (much higher in rural areas, so Freeler et all, en garde!) which compares very well with lots of other countries where stats are available. Most HIV infections in Thailand these days are coming from infected male Thais having unprotected sex with their regular partners, usually wives or gay men.

Compare this to say, the Central African Republic, which has an infection rate of 12.9%, Kenya, (15% rate, 27% among sex workers) Benin, (3.6% rate, 40% infection rate for sex workers) Cambodia, (2.7% rate, 26% infection rate for sex workers) Haiti, (6.1%) the Dominican Republic, (2.5%, though lower than LOS among sex workers -- about 4%) or the Bahamas (3.5% overall rate.) Even Brazil and China, which have a lower overall rate, still have substantially higher rates for sex workers -- over 17% and 10% respectively. And there are others in Africa which are far, far worse. (All stats from the above source.)

The truth is that a monger is generally at far more risk going anywhere in Africa or to most places in the Caribbean than to Thailand. While no one can give a girl-by-girl report, one can get a pretty solid sense of things by looking at the rates listed at http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/Map11table.html (current as of June) which breaks down the HIV infection rate of Thai sex workers by city. For example the HIV infection rate among sex workers in Bangkok is 2.6%, Chiang Mai 8.7%, Phuket 9.25%, Philok (for Freeler and Skinless) at 7%, Korat 4.6%, and Pattaya at a bit over 11%. This is at least a bit of an argument for mongering in the Big Durian!

Obviously, I'm hardly advocating bareback, as that's still risky idea, but let's at least keep the facts in mind.

[Freeler]

In the news today:

(At first I wanted to post this in the General section, but I've got the feeling it belongs here, in the Safe Sex department.)

Sex and jealousy

A 21-year-old man and four teenagers were arrested in Din Daeng district after a quarrel in which they hurt a 52-year-old woman they had sex with.

Din Daeng police on Friday nabbed Thawatchai Cheuychan, 21, and four teenagers aged 15-17 (names withheld) in a rented room in Soi Pracha Songkhroh 27 after they quarrelled and caused injury to Ratri (surname withheld), 52, early Friday morning.

Police said Mr Thawatchai had sex with Mrs Ratri, his girlfriend, and allowed the four teenagers to join in, but he later became angry and jealous. Mr Thawatchai hit his girlfriend and the last boy, 15, on their heads while they were having sex.

The teenagers had yet to be questioned by police in the presence of prosecutors, social welfare officials and parents.

[ChiMan II]

Ok Team,

Listen up, Remember Thailand is one of the Aids capitals of te world.Noone can give us an accurate report on all bar girls. Even if aids died down. It only takes one poison pill to ruin your life. These girls are with maybe 5 different guys a day. When you go to thailand how you look makes a difference with how much you pay and what you can do to the girl. I was in Thailand in October and was with probally 25 girls. I would say with about 20 of them if I went bareback they would not care. I even tested and teased them and they had no problem with this. I of course would never go BB in Thailand. I am a young guy and I do believe alot of them were attracted to me. But you never know what to believe in Thailand. I think if you are not that attractive girls will not want BB. If your cute enough you can seduce it out of them just like any girl. When I was in Thailand I would pass up maybe 300 girls to find just the one I want. I noticed many guys take the first girl that looks at them. I was also shocked that guys will sleep with these woman no matter how unhealthy they look. BB blowjobs are extremely dangerous. I had friends that ran into alot of problems. Becareful guys so this trip is not your last trip.

[Sainter]

Pardon my ignorance guys, but I've been told that the HIV/AIDS problem in Thailand is now well under control. Apparently the Phillipines is the next hotspot for the virus. The Fillipinos are staunch Catholics and their bishops actively lobby for people not to use condoms. A couple of my friends take the chance going bareback in Thailand these days, but a lot of the girls usually turn them down. I think the message has got across to the majority of women in Thailand that sex w/o a condom is a big no-no. Having said that our experiences come only from Phuket and Hatyai. I'm not sure what the situation is in Bangkok. As I told my friends, all it takes is a little bad luck and, BANG, your life is over. Still they don't listen. Their lives I guess.

[The Traveler]

GettingTang

One more suggestion :

Would you touch a positive HIV blood sample with your bare hands, no gloves ?

Due to your comments, you will, since your skin is protection enough.

If not, please tell me how you make sure that your chick doesn't got her period (asking her, uh ?) or that your fingernails won't hurt her inside. Maybe she already got a small wound from her last bonk some 30 mins ago or from some deep penetration.

You better be real.

Think about it

[The Traveler]

GettingTang

I don't want to start a discussion about this. Do as you like.

But you have to admit, that manicure e.g. - and I guess you do it on a regular basis - produces small wounds of your skin when you remove it (at the bottom of your fingernails). Furthermore I had cut my hands a thousand times at a sheet of paper or somewhere else without even knowing it. Just saw it later on.
Sure, wounds will close, but do you check your hands every time before masturbating a girl ? Furthermore you are mentioning that the skin is thinner at certain parts of a body, so do you agree that the skin will also be thinner at a freshly closed wound of any size ?

If you doubt what I say, why not ask a doc who is specialied in HIV. He/she should know if this is a possibility for transmission.

Have fun
but be careful

[GettingTang]

Traveler be real.

First people do not have "countless" microscopic cuts on your fingers. Cuts on ones fingers that might be that small heal and close to outside expose extremely quick.

The penis is lined with very thin skin and the blood vessels are extremely close to the surface. The head of the penis also has something fingers don't. It's called a urethra. It's your dick head opening, [CodeWord140] hole. The inner lining on the tip of you dick is an open source right into your blood stream! Much different then using your fingers. Now sure, I would not go sticking my finger up inside a girls snatch with an open cut, but please, lets be realistic. Barring an open and noticeable wound on your fingers, the likelihood of HIV transmission from fingering a girl is non existent.

DATY in my opinion is dangerous. The mouth is a very fragile place on the human body. It bleeds more regularly then any other location on the body. gums are also very thinly lined with blood vessels close to the surface. The tongue can also act as I direct link and be absorbent much like the urethra of the penis. It can go right into ones blood stream. For this reason, I never perform DATY on any working girl. I have also decided to keep my BJs covered. As recent data is now suggesting, HIV can more easily be transmitted this way then previously had been thought.

I always assume there are some girls out there who might actually intentionally try and transmit you the virus, due to being enraged about their own infection. They view you, the monger, as the reason why they are infected. I have seen it before and it is real. It's a dangerous world out there, one must protect themselves and be careful.

GETTINGTANG~!