FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[Free Dude]

Why are you so worried about the risks of AO being mentioned once in a while? As for the other part, how do you think forums work? Especially this kind of 'once in a blue moon in Germany' forum; people that keep up to date on more informative places and / or talk to regular clubvisitors might be willing to share that information.

For anyone who knows about these clubs, Crema moving is a fairly big thing since she was the most popular girl in Arabella (and for her first few months there she was probably the most popular girl in any of the AO clubs.

But if you insist:

Line up is growing in VV with 14 girls this Sunday (pretty good for a Sunday) and all girls bar Andrea offering AO.

Some girls missing and no Crema or Maja, but Maja's sister Lilly was there (also used to be at Arabella).

Three Bulgarian girls from Grimberg (Natalya, Mary and?) were there, but are going back to Grimberg soon.

Bianca, Mara, Monika, Aida, Florentina (could easily work in any other club) were also there. I can't think of the 4 others right now.

Some more info; price now 40 per session, but on mondays back to 30 and no entry fee (according to a girl, didn't see it mentioned anywhere else).

Some guys seem to like fuck in other people's sperm (schlamschieben it's called) and try to catch girls before they go clean up; some also like to do some DATY first, but that might be the end of any DFK with some of the Romanians.

One of the girls I asked after apparantly caught an STD as well; the kind that gets progressively worse for 9 months, and you never really get rid of it.

[CPR2011]

Hey guys,,

I'm headed to Germany in a month an have been RTFF but I can't find the answer in this thread. Do these three clubs test you when you enter with one of the rapid HIV tests or any other STD tests before letting the guys in? If so is that charge included in the entry price or if not, what is the cost for the test?

I'd like to try one of these places but I'd be more comfortable with it if they're testing guys prior to entry.

Also are any of these places reachable without a rental car? Could I take a train from FRA?

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Dreams]

Someone caught an std in one of these clubs

Crema and Maja seem to have moved to VV from Arabella. All relevant I would say.

So "someone" got an STD, and some girls "seem" to have moved.

Any REAL relevant info there, please? Some info that YOU have personally got, not jut repeating things that you read elsewhere?

STDs" I have last year got gonorhea from BBBJ from one girl in Mainhattan,"

That's a recent quote from the general FKK thread. Bottom line, you can catch an STD everywhere, what matters is what you do, not where you do it.

[Free Dude]

Someone caught an std in one of these clubs and VV is now charging 40 for half an hour; Crema and Maja seem to have moved to VV from Arabella. All relevant I would say.

[Dreams]

Would be nice to have some reports from the experience, prices, girls, service in any of those clubs.

Would be a welcome change from the crap that has recently pollluted this thread (and I apologise for having contributed to it, should have stayed away.)

[Woofiee]

FYI, I have both PhD and MD. And I have been mongering all over the world since 40 + years.

Intelligence and education aren't necessarily synonymous. One would hope so, but boards like these thrive on hyperbole and boasts. I often consider them a zero-sum-gain. Incidentally. 30+ years mongering and my doctorate is from a top-5 US school in Physics. Is it a requirement to rebut your insipid argument?

BTW, you are posting all this crap on a specific thread about specific clubs. Have you ever been to any of those? If not, what about moving your comments on a more specific thread, for instance threads dealing with health and safety?

The conversation had moved on from the venue to a discussion of whether a venue which seemingly had infected a member here should be disclosed. My argument concerns itself with your responsibility towards public health in such an instance, which is in accordance with the thread.

If some mod wants to move all the threads to a more suitable segment, let that be so. Until that time, this is where it started, and this is where it will be discussed. Just because you no longer want to discuss it is not my problem.

[Free Dude]

Personally, I think it is good in these threads to show the risks; ie sometimes you can catch something. Saying you caught something in an AO club or AO gangbang does nothing else but relating the experience that it can happen. That something will be done against it is great, but it doesn't hurt to remind ourselves about the risks sometimes. There is plenty reports that don't mention catching anything.

[Dreams]

. I can't tell if Dreams is naive or willfully ignorant,

FYI, I have both PhD and MD. And I have been mongering all over the world since 40 + years.

BTW, you are posting all this crap on a specific thread about specific clubs. Have you ever been to any of those? If not, what about moving your comments on a more specific thread, for instance threads dealing with health and safety?

[Woofiee]

Ha ha, most ridiculous comment I have read since a while. Just being realsitic, there are NO clubs where you cannot get STDs, and when and if you get it, the bacteria does not come with a tag saying which girl or club it came form.

Oh, but there was a name mentioned, the name of the club. Which I did not repeat on purpose!

I'm all with you with issuing warning where it's appropriate and still makes sense. And, Woofiee, it's time to shun a woman or close down a place if they know about the disease and willingly go around spreading it with no regard for others. But that wasn't the case here, and with Gonorrhea it propably never is.

Because by the time it appears on forum, the women who should have caught it are already undergoing treatment and are not working at that time. (And if they still are and get caught, they will definitely not only be shut down, but will be subjected to criminal prosecution! Knowingly spreading around an STD is a crime in Germany! In such a case, I welcome open warnings very much.)

But in a case of Gonorrhea, which was surely being transmitted there by a guy and was not initialy the women's fault, it's not warranted to shun them indefinitely for an infection that's cured after a week or two. But the post on the forum will remain indefinitely.

Simple question: How would you feel if someone knew that you had gotten it, and even though you are cured now everybody would shun you indefinitely?

So I still think posting it here (although too late) as a short term warning was propably okay, but if the warning would still be on now, it would be counterproductive. I still think it's good that the original report is gone now.

I also think that if every place that ever had any trouble with Gonorrhea would be closed down, then there wouldn't be any left at all that are open for more than a year. I'd rather recommend to approach this from the other direction: If you catch a guy at a club or a party that has gotten an STD, then call the police on him, instead of just kicking him out!

I never suggested we had to "shun" a woman, so please stop changing the argument to personalize this and make me sound like a Puritan. I can't tell if Dreams is naive or willfully ignorant, but if he thinks that it's only the problem of the guy who catches it, he's a danger to us all. He's emblematic of the AO conversation and the no-rules mentality in the FKK section. It's what killed-off the partytreff section for many of us who used to post in there. Let's be honest, there are far fewer posters now in the partytreff segment what's there tends to be more about coming events, cancelled events, misrepresented ads and generally poor performers. If they show up (with the occasional exception. To be fair). There's a real feeling of an insular, clubhouse mentality.

I'm speaking specifically about businesses or events that don't sufficiently test their women, and specifically I'm speaking about many of the listings I see now in the Partytreff section about AO gang-bang parties, glory-holes and parking-lot events that can't possibly be safe. Do I see them as unsafe? Yeah. I do. They have dangerous sex and now they're telling me how much effective safety I should expect in an FKK club, lowering the standard for all of us.

Speak for yourselves and that's fine, but don't dare tell me that I can't tell when or where I caught something. I don't bother mongering here in Europe much, so if I caught something it's likely that I'd know *exactly* from where I got it at.

Would you contact them and tell them you contracted Gonorrhea from one of their regulars? Or is that just the price of admission to the AO club?

Would / Should the FKK be closed down? If it's a one-off and they remove the threat, no way. If it's from sloppy testing practices, what do you do. Give a warning? That should be the case, but we also are smart enough to know there are gangs and criminal elements that run these, and a lot of greased palms in the business. DO I trust them to do the right thing? Do mongers contact the police? Does anything actually happen?

The only advantage we have is shared information, so what I want to know is why, when there's a threat, would you not name the club?

You want to talk fairness, but you're also being completely unfair to we mongers who you may be letting walk in harm's way.

[SwingerLover]

Ha ha, most ridiculous comment I have read since a while. Just being realsitic, there are NO clubs where you cannot get STDs, and when and if you get it, the bacteria does not come with a tag saying which girl or club it came form.

If someone caught something at a place, yes. It's time to shun it and close the joint.

Too many people here have this notion of some kind of allegiance to a club or a girl. If you're saying you'd sacrifice us and our health to save face. I'm not sure what to think (but it won't be kind, I can tell you that.)

Because it is totally senseless and meaningless, and it hurts the business, as well as the girls who work there, if mongers believe that they should shun the place.

Couldn't disagree moer (especially since no names were mentioned). I find it surprising that the cruisader for AO sex, who doesn't like (correct me if I remember this wrongly) it when non-AO club girls are protected from AO speculation; gets all in a huff when a monger mentiones having caught something. Is it really just because it doesn't fir in your 'more chance to be hit by a bus' philosophy? If you're so intent on having unsafe sex being discussed as the most normal thin in the world, I can't see any reasonable argument why it would be uncalled for to mention it if you catch something (as long as individuals aren't mentioned).

Oh, but there was a name mentioned, the name of the club. Which I did not repeat on purpose!

I'm all with you with issuing warning where it's appropriate and still makes sense. And, Woofiee, it's time to shun a woman or close down a place if they know about the disease and willigly go around spreading it with no regard for others. But that wasn't the case here, and with Gonorrhea it propably never is.

Because by the time it appears on forum, the women who should have caught it are already undergoing treatment and are not working at that time. (And if they still are and get caught, they will definitely not only be shut down, but will be subjected to criminal prosecution! Knowingly spreading around an STD is a crime in Germany! In such a case, I welcome open warnings very much.)

But in a case of Gonorrhea, which was surely being transmitted there by a guy and was not initialy the women's fault, it's not warranted to shun them indefinitely for an infection that's cured after a week or two. But the post on the forum will remain indefinitely.

Simple question: How would you feel if someone knew that you had gotten it, and even though you are cured now everybody would shun you indefinitely?

So I still think posting it here (although too late) as a short term warning was propably okay, but if the warning would still be on now, it would be counterproductive. I still think it's good that the original report is gone now.

I also think that if every place that ever had any trouble with Gonorrhea would be closed down, then there wouldn't be any left at all that are open for more than a year. I'd rather recommend to approach this from the other direction: If you catch a guy at a club or a party that has gotten an STD, then call the police on him, instead of just kicking him out!

[Jymondor]

You misunderstand, I wasn't including the link to teenyland so as to compare an AO club to a brothel. I was just comparing the photo's. At the time I didn't have club angelique's website handy. I was just trying to say as a marketing strategy, those photo's don't encourage the average sex seeker to visit the club. Compared to Angelique's girls, it pales in comparison.

I'm not against AO, I'm against AO with unattractive escorts.

OK, got it.

Sometimes I don't understand why majority of the clubs do not engage marketing power of good photos. Because of good photosets I visited first time for example Angelique and Babylon (Elsdorf). I seriously considered to visit F66 / Lancelot / Palast because of excellent photosets in spit of those clubs overpriced. Only reports on this boards changed my mind.

Now about porno restricting laws. Some clubs sensore images, some not. What are German regulations here?

[Breadman]

I don't think these places are even comparable. Different approach, different philosophy. Even knowing that Teenyland's lineup is way better I would chose FKK club simply because I prefer FKK format over the brothels.

You misunderstand, I wasn't including the link to teenyland so as to compare an AO club to a brothel. I was just comparing the photo's. At the time I didn't have club angelique's website handy. I was just trying to say as a marketing strategy, those photo's don't encourage the average sex seeker to visit the club. Compared to Angelique's girls, it pales in comparison.

I'm not against AO, I'm against AO with unattractive escorts.

[Dreams]

If someone caught something at a place, yes. It's time to shun it and close the joint.

Too many people here have this notion of some kind of allegiance to a club or a girl. If you're saying you'd sacrifice us and our health to save face. I'm not sure what to think (but it won't be kind, I can tell you that.)

Ha ha, most ridiculous comment I have read since a while. Just being realsitic, there are NO clubs where you cannot get STDs, and when and if you get it, the bacteria does not come with a tag saying which girl or club it came form.

[Dreams]

From a picture standpoint, those pictures are pathetic. Take a look at the photo's at Teenyland.

http://www.teenyland-koeln.de/html/?q=teenys

If you've got the choice between visiting one of these two places (VV vs Teenyland) , which set of photo's would win you over?

Yes they are, but at least they are not photoshopped.

And the girls are far better in real than of those pics.

[Sportsman]

Sorry guys to fuck this thread up now, but what is a AO club?

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