East China - Shanghai

[Wabbittt]

I thought I would share a cautionary tale about picking up hotel lobby girls, if only to alert fellow newbies.

I tend to stay in the Jin Jiang Hotel in the French Concession where, late in the evening, the lobby often has a foxy-looking girl hanging around. Previously, when returning with friends, I noticed that such girls often just happen to get into the lift with you, especially if you go up to your room alone. You don't have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to work out what's going on.

On my last trip to the Jin Jiang, I went to the lift area unaccompanied, and sure enough, I was soon joined by an fantastic looking lobby girl. Curves (by Chinese standards) in all the right places. As soon as the lift doors closed she produced a card giving details of various massage services, which she offered on immediate terms. Suffice to say, negotiations were concluded by the time we got to the fifth floor, which with the benefit of hindsight was a mistake. Lesson One: always take you time when negotiating so that you have a clear idea of what's on offer for the price. In my case, the card she gave me offered a 'Heavenly massage' for RMB 400. I asked her if this included as a HE and she said 'yes'. I reckoned that, while this was rather pricey, it could be viewed as a late night outcall to a five-star hotel and in any case I was as horny as hell.

In the hotel room things started off well. I gave her RMB 200 up front and, on asking, the girl said her name was 'Hooting'. She asked me to undress but didn't bother to take off more than a jacket herself. After a perfunctory massage with a bit of teasing, she said that she could give a HE for an additional RMB 200. I explained that we had already negotiated a price previously but she wouldn't budge. She kept saying 'no money, no honey'. Remembering that I had only given her half of the negotiated fee, I turned the tables and said 'well, in that case, no honey, no more money'. Hooting didn't like this at all and threatened to call the police. I called her bluff (high risk, I know) and told her to go ahead. After further prevarication, she decided to acquiesce and gave me a somewhat hasty HJ. Afterwards, she was sweetness and light, as if our argument had never taken place. I interpret this as indicating that she has made a profit from her activities and wanted to leave open the opportunity of further liaisons on subsequent nights. Some chance. Lesson Two: shop around and, once burned, never give a gold-digger a second chance.

[MrClen]

MrClen-clean out your mail box-I sent you a message, but says can not go thru until you eliminate some messages-marty.

There should be room now to PM me, thanks for letting me know! Mrclen

[Marty47]

MrClen-clean out your mail box-I sent you a message, but says can not go thru until you eliminate some messages-marty.

I absolutely agree! Although you can go alone (which was the advice I was trying give him) , even my first trip was with a business group. If he can get a wingman or two, rather than flying alone it would be a great idea. The party atmosphere in the room is really the group and the girls chosen. Sometimes, not always, the girls just a little down on the food scale are the ones who will let loose and really be willing to have some fun. If the group you are with is a bunch of deadheads, drink too much and get obnoxious and pushy and rude with the girls, the evening fun will quickly deteriorate into a less than good experience. The girls, in the less commercial venues, like to have fun also, and if you or your group can go with the flow and enjoy the evening, it can and has been a blast!

As far as the POV of our friend, I also would like to, just once, get down and dirty in a wild KTV. Don't think it would be my regular thing, but might be fun once. After many, many KTV experiences, it is yet to happen, but I still have hopes! I have been to some rather lame KTV's (in CP) and didn't get into the dice game thing with no real point. I could see it if was some sort of real penalty for the loser, but a sip of a weak drink was pointless.

Thanks for the submission! I don't feel it was really worthy but I appreciate the gesture. BTW, I will be in China (CP) from the 21st until the 24th of August, and may be staying at the Walter where I had a good KTV experience (alone) , my best in CP. Any chance you or any others will be around to hook up with? MRCLEN

[AngoChango]

Thanks for the good advice. My only pov on KTV is I would like to meet KTV girls. I understand what you are saying. I will stick to sauna's rather than try a solo KTV.

If anyone is interested in a KTV group outing then please send me pm.

How long will you be here? I am leaving to Guangzhou tomorrow and I will be back in around 10 days.

Maybe we can meet to check KTV, I have been to KTV twice but it was with local suppliers of mine and at the time I did not know what was the deal.

[Chuckle One]

Had a blast at Feng Ding Yuan. Picked no 90. A cute little 20 year old. She looks like a 18 year old. Had the usual washdown and the soapy massage. Once dried off then off to the bed for some catbath and anal rimming. Then some sexy nurse costume routine followed by bbj. Once little brother is ready then capped on and proceed with some good pounding. Thanks a lot chuckle one for the advice. Well worth the 798 paid.

No worries. Glad you enjoyed. I will be at JC myself next Saturday and will wander down to gave a look for no. 90 myself.

[Five Aces]

Good and informative summary.

My feeling is our friend here has a different POV on what he can get at a KTV, IMHO. This is why I stress not to debute in a KTV with a solo act. Do you agree, even if partially?

Thanks for the good advice. My only pov on KTV is I would like to meet KTV girls. I understand what you are saying. I will stick to sauna's rather than try a solo KTV.

If anyone is interested in a KTV group outing then please send me pm.

[MrClen]

Good and informative summary.

Onething to be noted, and I hope our fellow board member sees it: I believe it is not for a single individual to debute in a KTV (at least, that would be my call) Too many things one doesn't know till he got the experience to enjoy the evening and not making wrong steps that would spoil the entertainment. My call is to go (if ever possible) to a KTV or two, with friends and enjoy the buddy atmosphere. This will give the ropes to venture out alone next time. Lots of unwritten rules, somehow. You pointed out quite some "rules or behaviours" and that is fine indeed as well as extremely helpful.

My feeling is our friend here has a different POV on what he can get at a KTV, IMHO. This is why I stress not to debute in a KTV with a solo act. Do you agree, even if partially?

PS: I posted a link to your report in the RoD

I absolutely agree! Although you can go alone (which was the advice I was trying give him) , even my first trip was with a business group. If he can get a wingman or two, rather than flying alone it would be a great idea. The party atmosphere in the room is really the group and the girls chosen. Sometimes, not always, the girls just a little down on the food scale are the ones who will let loose and really be willing to have some fun. If the group you are with is a bunch of deadheads, drink too much and get obnoxious and pushy and rude with the girls, the evening fun will quickly deteriorate into a less than good experience. The girls, in the less commercial venues, like to have fun also, and if you or your group can go with the flow and enjoy the evening, it can and has been a blast!

As far as the POV of our friend, I also would like to, just once, get down and dirty in a wild KTV. Don't think it would be my regular thing, but might be fun once. After many, many KTV experiences, it is yet to happen, but I still have hopes! I have been to some rather lame KTV's (in CP) and didn't get into the dice game thing with no real point. I could see it if was some sort of real penalty for the loser, but a sip of a weak drink was pointless.

Thanks for the submission! I don't feel it was really worthy but I appreciate the gesture. BTW, I will be in China (CP) from the 21st until the 24th of August, and may be staying at the Walter where I had a good KTV experience (alone) , my best in CP. Any chance you or any others will be around to hook up with? MRCLEN

[Masslin]

How much for this one? Options? Thinking want to try 3p. Would that be worth it? Any discount for 2 girls? What about outcall service for overnight? Price range?

Price range:780-880.

Never heard 3p experience in Yuquan (Feng Ding Yuan).

You can contact the customer manager by Wechat or mob for details.

[BionicMan]

Yes, KTV's are everywhere in China.

Good and informative summary.

Onething to be noted, and I hope our fellow board member sees it: I believe it is not for a single individual to debute in a KTV (at least, that would be my call) Too many things one doesn't know till he got the experience to enjoy the evening and not making wrong steps that would spoil the entertainment.My call is to go (if ever possible) to a KTV or two, with friends and enjoy the buddy atmosphere.This will give the ropes to venture out alone next time. Lots of unwritten rules, somehow.You pointed out quite some "rules or behaviours" and that is fine indeed as well as extremely helpful.
My feeling is our friend here has a different POV on what he can get at a KTV, IMHO. This is why I stress not to debute in a KTV with a solo act. Do you agree, even if partially?

PS: I posted a link to your report in the RoD

[MrClen]

Honestly I never know where I am brought by my business partners. We jump on a taxi and head to a place, and to go back to. Hotel they put me in a cab. Never the same place. Fact is that KTV are really everywhere in China. On the other hand if you dn speak the language, even if somebody points you to a place you will not be able to do anything inside, especially in a common area, as language knowledge is needed. The fun in the KTV room is the group fun, drinking, singing, dice play, in a nice environment of nice looking girls. Butnitnmnot an orgy environment, mind you. Depends on girls, you can play with them, grope, kiss. By loosing at dices I got naked once and girls in various states of undressing, my friends did not succumb to the dice playing LOL. But nothing really happening. Girls can (not all) come to your hotel when the party is over, as a sort of dessert. Especially not to leave you with blue balls.

I feel a sauna is more appropriate for a solo night, to be honest. Even a bar like manhattan. But a KTV, alone? Looks strange to me.

Wish of course to hear the opinion of others. As it might add to the debate.

Yes, KTV's are everywhere in China. My personal thoughts on Sauna and BBS is not standing in line to be the next wick dipper. Kind of puts me off, and although I've tried it, taking a girl who just finished fucking who knows what. 10 minutes ago and you are next! I know this works for some of you, but for me, I have never had a good Sauna experience. Routine, mechanical, no passion or enthusiasm, etc. I even think there may be a market for a robotic Sauna operation as as that seems to be what I have had.

At least in a KTV, you may get to know the girls a bit before taking one home for the night. And as an aside, I personally have never had one decline to go LT with me, if fact just opposite has happened, chose one for sit only and she decided she wanted to go with me, being a gentleman, how could I refuse.

I also agree with you that you won't get an orgy experience in a KTV, at least none I have been to. Singing, dancing, kissing, groping, flirting, maybe a few clothes off on rare occasions, is much more the norm. In the KTV's I go to on a semi regular basis, the girls drink what you drink, beer is the normal drink, but you can order whatever you are willing to pay for. Many times (the girls seem to like it) I order the clear 50+ proof Chinese liquor that comes in a clay sealed bottle and it gets mixed with a green tea drink. I have seen some reports on some KTV's in the forum where you are encouraged (required?) to buy the girls "lady drinks", I know for sure that these are ones I will not be going to.

I am an old guy. 70+, not in bad shape or fat, no beard, (also very little on top) , take good care of my personal hygiene, and shave much of the important areas. Many Chinese girls do not like excess body hair, so I try to accommodate a bit to their desires. Also, the girls, at least where I go, will not go with a black man and have concerns about white men. I think mostly it's because they think we are all hung like bulls. Not true in my case and I have resorted on several occasions, to pulling it out or putting their hand in to see how big it is. At least they don't start laughing and still say big but never have a problem after that!

So, in summary, I go often to KTV alone. I almost always have a great time. I get to know the girl a bit before taking her back to my room (no chemistry=don't take her, but you will still have to pay a sit fee). I enjoy the whole evening, not just the bed time. I usually take the girl LT as I enjoy waking up to a sweet young thing next to me and a good morning round. Sometimes if I want to spend extra time with her and I'm not off to a meeting, we'll go to breakfast and maybe make arrangements to meet later or just have her come to my room that night without going to the KTV-this is only if the girl was really good and fun! I usually hook up my laptop to the TV with some porn and see if they want to watch a sexy movie-the ones that do, that really haven't seen them, can get super horny and wild. If they don't want to watch, no problem, we can listen to some music or see a regular movie if they want. I could continue on this subject for a good while but this is enough for now. Oh the question was asked about cost. My normal cost is 300 to 600 RMB for the room depending upon drinks. 100 RMB tip to the room manager or waiter. 3/6/9 to 4/8/12 for the girl. Mrclen

[PicLover118]

Now the sauna club changed name called Yuquan Club.

How much for this one? Options? Thinking want to try 3p. Would that be worth it? Any discount for 2 girls? What about outcall service for overnight? Price range?

[SamCan]

I feel a sauna is more appropriate for a solo night, to be honest. Even a bar like manhattan. But a KTV, alone? Looks strange to me.

Wish of course to hear the opinion of others. As it might add to the debate.

I agree, manhattan's can be fun even when you go home alone. Just flirting with the girls, groping them a little in the bar, asking price, drinking a few beers, moving on to the next one. Shopping is the best part. I have also met and spoke to fellow mongers learning a few things.

Cheaper than a KTV

[BionicMan]

I understand this. My interest in going alone is to meet KTV girls. Can you recommend a place with a lounge for individuals? What price range?

Honestly I never know where I am brought by my business partners. We jump on a taxi and head to a place, and to go back to. Hotel they put me in a cab. Never the same place. Fact is that KTV are really everywhere in China. On the other hand if you dn speak the language, even if somebody points you to a place you will not be able to do anything inside, especially in a common area, as language knowledge is needed. The fun in the KTV room is the group fun, drinking, singing, dice play, in a nice environment of nice looking girls. Butnitnmnot an orgy environment, mind you. Depends on girls, you can play with them, grope, kiss. By loosing at dices I got naked once and girls in various states of undressing, my friends did not succumb to the dice playing LOL. But nothing really happening. Girls can (not all) come to your hotel when the party is over, as a sort of dessert. Especially not to leave you with blue balls.

I feel a sauna is more appropriate for a solo night, to be honest. Even a bar like manhattan. But a KTV, alone? Looks strange to me.

Wish of course to hear the opinion of others. As it might add to the debate.

[Five Aces]

Some of them have lounges for individuals, like an open bar.

But KTV is a "friends and buddies" event. And hard to find english speaiking managers / mamasans. So not easy to interact, to be honest

I understand this. My interest in going alone is to meet KTV girls. Can you recommend a place with a lounge for individuals? What price range?

[MrClen]

Well I have never been to a KTV. The search here returns nothing for KTV and the internet is mostly Chinese.

Any recommendations for a KTV? What about one that has a place for single individuals?

Or is anyone interested in making it a team effort?

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Quick response. I go to KTV's quite often alone. One in particular where the hotel owner is a friend and I get treated very well as a regular. Also have gone in CP alone in the Walter hotel. Took the package deal (room x beers and snacks for one price) , and two girls LT (priced separately of course).wasn't a bad night! You can still have fun, just make sure you know the prices up front, Paper and hand gestures work OK. Pick two girls at least as you are alone and need a bit of interaction. I don't speak much Chinese, but the translator on the phone works a bit and will help. If you are looking for a LT girl, be sure you somehow know what you are getting when you pick, IE:, sit only, ST only, or LT which can be all three. I will sometimes pick one girl just to sit and one for LT. Also be aware that if you pick a LT girl she can still just sit or do a ST with you, or decide not, it is her choice. Mrclen