Anti-Sex Pervert MathewCob's Disinformation Campaign

[WestCoast1]

Harry the horse, the local Angeles newspapers, the news online, the tv news, the nbi, the police, the mayor, are all claiming that [CodeWord908] and barfines have stopped or the bars who don't listen will be raided and forced to stop, now I have previously posted all the relevant links to this so won't post again,

You cited Harry the Horse site. I visited there and went right to the most current July 2013 Newsletters. The most current posting from Harry is June 30 (not exactly up-to-date, as you yourself mentioned my own reporting was several weeks old). From Harry's most recent rant:

"All I can say for sure Bob is we can only wait and see where the chips fall. For now, enjoy what we have and quit complaining about the small shit. Not all hotels and bars are the same. Right now most customers are happy and having a good time. It is business owners that have to worry not the customers."

Harry thinks the koreans would like to get in on more of the action:

"No City official will go after the Koreans. The Mayor, Alex C, City Councilors, they all love them. Why you ask? The same reason they USED to love the Americans, Australians, etc, MONEY. The Koreans are not behind all the raids, if any at all. I do believe that the Koreans would like to be able to take over the action on Fields Ave and I believe that Alex C. Would love to see that as well. That is not factual, just my gut feeling. The entertainment area is under attack by the IJM, CIDG, NBI, BIR and City Hall and quite possibly higher ups in Manila who could be pressuring our Mayor. Right now I cannot predict the outcome of this latest campaign against the Clubs on Fields and along Perimeter Road; I can say it has a lot of people nervous"

OTOH, he wrote this:

"Also, it appears that City Hall here is ready to throw the bars to the wolves. Recently two bars were raided and employees detained, the last being just a few days ago. The Mayor's comment, when I contacted him was: 'We were never remiss in telling and warning them'. I cannot disagree with this. At a meeting in May with bar owners he did lay down the law about bar fines, etc, and warned the owners that he would not allow such activities. Obviously the Mayor will not support any bar owner, manager or Mamasan that does not comply with his warning. The IJM and law enforcement wolves are knocking at the doors folks, some want publicity, some just want money, whatever, Clubs must change their rules or remain vulnerable."

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So, Harry sees things as changing, but as of June 30 he also sees the customers as having the same good time.

[WestCoast1]

Matt, thanks for your honest reporting.

Westcoast 1, yes there are a few reports on this forum of a select few who have managed to barfine in Angeles but lets be honest how are we to know who these individuals are in real life away from their made up forum names and personalities, some might never have visited, some might have an agenda (normally monetary) to post the glowing reports of how easy it is to get laid in angeles, some might be drunks, some might be Angeles bar owners, some might have severe mental problems and I might be a 60 year old lady boy with two dicks and three pussys LOL.

But this is till a stretch. Rhino and ThatGuy have 500 credible posts between them. To suggest they are drunks or bar owners is a stretch.

We have also heard from a few board members who claim like yourself that they have bargirl friends in Angeles who claim they still barfine, here's a bit of advice Westcoast 1,

When a bargirl is moving her lips she is 99. 9% of the time lying, especially if she is a pinay bargirl,

That's not good advice. I'm sorry you feel this way. To assume that you are being lied to by every bargirl you (or I) meet, and that multiple regular gents here are lying / drunkards, suggests an interesting level of paranoia. There's little reason to believe when chatting YM to a bargirl (who is not asking for money) that she's lying when she tells me about her son's schooling or a customer she had. Why you would make that assumption is reasonably 'out there'.

With due respect, I would rather believe what I saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, and experienced on my own very recent barhops in angeles, now as I said in my trip report I was with Angeles residents, ex bar owners, between us over 200 years of mongering experience, now if we could not get girls to barfine or to leave with us regardless of the way we paid then I doubt many people are able to,

I'm not doubting it. Probably due to whatever current fears at the time, you guys had trouble barfining. That appears to have lightened. If I, like you, were to only trust my own eyes and experiences, it would be difficult to believe what you are saying. But I like to keep an open mind.

Harry the horse, the local Angeles newspapers, the news online, the tv news, the nbi, the police, the mayor, are all claiming that [CodeWord908] and barfines have stopped or the bars who don't listen will be raided and forced to stop, now I have previously posted all the relevant links to this so won't post again,

I've got some reading to do!

Am I dreaming all this?

No. But if you don't currently have boots on the ground, go back and get us a fuller report from multiple bars. And stop concerning yourself with only a certain group (walking street). If the blowrow bars, or bars near AngelWitch are still barfining (in any format) , then that counts, too.

Now Westcoast 1, you might choose not to believe me, the news the mayor or harry the horse, you might choose to believe some of the guys that swear blind Angeles is still rocking and nothing has changed, you might choose to believe the few Angeles bargirls, or the friend of a friends claims as they say up to you, as for me I'll choose to believe what I have recently experienced and not what others might claim, thanks.

Me too! One man's roof is another man's floor. People can have differing experiences, and reasonable minds can disagree.

[Western787]

if abuse of the most vulnerable is to be stopped, surely the street children (a well documented target of western ****s in asia) deserve as much if not more protection and help?

while enforcement has been accelerating in various places like cambodia in regard to this issue, the press and usa state is never going to concede that perhaps 90% to 95% or more of the problem and true scourge of "[CodeWord908]" problem is really about gay men from wealthier countries going to impoverished areas of the world looking to molest (ideally) pre adolescence young boys. the reason: its not politically correct to admit this, nor do they ask why for example why do so many gay men (not the majority of course) seem to have this rather odd predisposition? even with the catholic church priest scandal in the usa which technically was not really ****phelia (as altar boys are typically too old) , the msm continues to pretend this was not primarily a gay priest problem, and in fact the altar boys they molested were typically 3 or 4 years over their ideal targets, but they took what was available. same with the boy scouts in the usa, the press won't report the truth. the fbi at one point had stats showing a 50 to 1 more higher incidence rate on gay men molesting young boys vs heterosexual men molesting young (pre adolescent) young girls. the msm will continue to cherry pick situations where heterosexual men get involved with 16 or 17 year old females, which of course is criminal and should be prosecuted with the perpetrators punished, but they do it with the idea of sweeping the larger problem under the rug. the vast majority of adult heterosexual males do not want the risk or hassle of contact with under 18 females, most seeing it as just plain wrong on its face, nor do most see a difference between the avg 18 year old female and 17 yearold female, but the msm in the western countries will continue to have you believe otherwise. the ballbusting feminists in the usa now running usa state don't believe 18 year females, or 19 years old or older females for that matter, can consent to anything if it involves p4p, so its obvious now they've got their vehicle now to carry out their agenda against the men they despise.

[MathewCob]

. This poster MC sounds like having an ulterior motive and agenda, watch out guys, he might even be from the other side (authorities) , gathering info and scaremongering.

Like authorities don't already have sufficient "evidence" on the scene to carry out the crackdown? LOL. The problem is: this isn't even about Angeles City or the Philippines per se, as there are much large forces outside of the country hell bent on carrying out a political agenda regardless of the reality, and if innocent tourists get put away for long prison sentences, it doesn't concern them. Meanwhile the public at large in the wealthier elite western countries is still asleep and continues to be easily manipulated by the hysterical NGO claims, constantly being reinforced by a mainstream media which long abrogated their role as independent journalists. So who is going to stop the witch hunt?

Your earlier abc documentary link is powerful proof that huge resourses are being poured into the crackdowns, as was clearly demonstrated the human traffick team are in most bars in Angeles city already and know exactly who's doing what, thanks.

[MathewCob]

No customers have ever been taken away. At worst they make you sit in the bar until it has been cleared. As long as you have identification they let you leave. Always carry your Drivers license or a copy of passport.

They cannot hold or charge a person for sitting in a bar having a drink. They would have to have undercover posing as bar girls waiting to sting customers. That would be damn near impossible because the bar would have to be in on it and it has never happened.

Customers do not have to worry. The only ones that have any worry are the Bar employees and the girls. Besides they wouldn't want to scare off tourist and that would. Even Businessmen do P4P with business. And they would be scared off too. Conventions would be moved to less hostile countries. They will only go after bar employees, who they consider the ones who are the MAJOR exploiters of the girls. FL's. Are a different story and should be avoided in AC for that reason and others...

I think you will find that during the Pony Tail raid it was widely reported in the press and on all the boards that a German national tourist had been arrested along with the bar girls / mummys / managers.

He was held for 48 hours at camp crane (Manila nbi jail) and released without charge, nobody knows if large sums of money changed hands for his early release or not.

Now I agree that apart from the German tourist up till now all that the raiding teams are doing is holding all the customers back until they see their passports, but, and the big but is 'up till now' in truth nobody knows what might happen in the near future.

The terms and laws governing [CodeWord908] is very complex, it can be twisted and turned to mean all sorts of things, technically if you are a paying customer who is contributing funds (buying drinks) to an establishment where trafficked bar girls are clearly working then technically things could go bad for you should the authorities try to make an example.

The main thing is to remember where we are, we are in angeles in the Philippines, a fourth world country that is heavily corrupt, which means we are at the mercy of whatever charges the authorities want to try and pin on us, legal or not.

Don't forget human traffick offences are un bailable offences, should the authorities wish to they can technically lock up anyone under the human traffick laws and leave him in a jail for 2-5 years till his case comes to court.

Now as you rightly say, up till now the authorities have not gone after the foreign customers, but that's not to say they won't in the future, thanks.

[Western787]

. This poster MC sounds like having an ulterior motive and agenda, watch out guys, he might even be from the other side (authorities) , gathering info and scaremongering.

Like authorities don't already have sufficient "evidence" on the scene to carry out the crackdown? LOL. The problem is: this isn't even about Angeles City or the Philippines per se, as there are much large forces outside of the country hell bent on carrying out a political agenda regardless of the reality, and if innocent tourists get put away for long prison sentences, it doesn't concern them. Meanwhile the public at large in the wealthier elite western countries is still asleep and continues to be easily manipulated by the hysterical NGO claims, constantly being reinforced by a mainstream media which long abrogated their role as independent journalists. So who is going to stop the witch hunt?

[Tman525]

now westcoast 1, you might choose not to believe me, the news the mayor or harry the horse, you might choose to believe some of the guys that swear blind angeles is still rocking and nothing has changed, you might choose to believe the few angeles bargirls, or the friend of a friends claims as they say up to you, as for me i'll choose to believe what i have recently experienced and not what others might claim, thanks.

i have just left ac after a week. my posts on how i found things are at odds with the opinion that things have irretrievably changed in angeles regarding men procuring women. so folks will have to be informed by what they read from mongers visiting angeles and their posts.

just before i left i was talking with one bargirl who thought that any crackdown would be inconsistent and short lived if for only because the local authorities derived such significant income from the bars and any long term reduction of historic revenues equates to self-harming. what particularly struck me was that, whatever might be going on in the bars, there was no change to the street begging by young children. if abuse of the most vulnerable is to be stopped, surely the street children (a well documented target of western ****s in asia) deserve as much if not more protection and help? but they still line the perimeter road.

on a lighter note, i was in high society on friday night with a bargirl (facebook acquaintance) and her older sister & other bargirl friends. some came back to my room for a drink, the sister went off with another guy to his hotel. whilst with me later on, my girl got a call from her sister who was now back with her american boyfriend & he wanted to say his goodbyes to my friend as he was leaving the next day. so to summarise: the american guy's loyal bargirl gf celebrates his last night by picking up a guy in hs for a quick fuck (very quick and unsatisfying apparently) before nipping back to his side to say "come back soon, hun, miss you already"! my girl said her sister was feeling very horny. well that's all right then!

[MathewCob]

Thinking just for a few seconds I know at least 6 bars open at 3pm between McArthur Highway and Phillies Sports Bar. If you consider Pony Tails still Fields, then easily 10 bars.

I think you will find that Fields is whats now called walking st, the pedestrianised part, basically between Atlantis and Mc Donalds near to McArthur highway, and the Club / Phillies etc is upper perimeter road, Pony Tails is mid perimeter road (checkpoint) with petron through to lost in Asia as lower perimeter road,

Now when I said two bars in Fields I meant Fields itself (now walking st) I won't name the two as people are getting paranoid but regardless of the number that are open at 3pm on Fields I think you will agree that none ever offered a 1400 peso barfine as of late.

[Uzinuzin]

You are fishing for information here, and I don't like it. To all: pleae don't give info on this open board that can lead to problems for individuals in bars in AC!

Very good point, I don't know anything about AC or Phili board, just read a few pages for info, but sure enough noticed this poster MC sounds like having an ulterior motive and agenda, watch out guys, he might even be from the other side (authorities) , gathering info and scaremongering. Too focused in his posts, don't feed him!

[MathewCob]

Westcoast 1, yes there are a few reports on this forum of a select few who have managed to barfine in Angeles but lets be honest how are we to know who these individuals are in real life away from their made up forum names and personalities, some might never have visited, some might have an agenda (normally monetary) to post the glowing reports of how easy it is to get laid in angeles, some might be drunks, some might be Angeles bar owners, some might have severe mental problems and I might be a 60 year old lady boy with two dicks and three pussys LOL.

We have also heard from a few board members who claim like yourself that they have bargirl friends in Angeles who claim they still barfine, here's a bit of advice Westcoast 1,

When a bargirl is moving her lips she is 99. 9% of the time lying, especially if she is a pinay bargirl, we have had posts stating, don't worry lads I text a friend of a friend who is in Angeles and he says that all is rosy, the party is even better than ever,

With due respect, I would rather believe what I saw with my own eyes, heard with my own ears, and experienced on my own very recent barhops in angeles, now as I said in my trip report I was with Angeles residents, ex bar owners, between us over 200 years of mongering experience, now if we could not get girls to barfine or to leave with us regardless of the way we paid then I doubt many people are able to,

Harry the horse, the local Angeles newspapers, the news online, the tv news, the nbi, the police, the mayor, are all claiming that [CodeWord908] and barfines have stopped or the bars who don't listen will be raided and forced to stop, now I have previously posted all the relevant links to this so won't post again,

3 of the main and biggest online Angeles based forums are full to the brim of guys not being able to barfine on fields, even with girls who had previous to the recent clampdown were eager to barfine, even guys on my barhop tried to barfine girls they had previously been with, with no takers, many bar owners of angeles are posting about the mayors meetings where he has clearly said no more barfines, no more [CodeWord908] and no more prostitution, the bars who do not listen will be raided and closed with prosecutions bought against those responsible for breaking the rules,

We have seen evidence of this over the past two weeks with many bars raided, people arrested and awaiting their day in court, some bars have reopened under stricter policy rules and some bars have remained padlocked, over the last 18 months some 40 bars in angeles have been raided and closed, (some have reopened but go along with the rules, some changed owners / names, some remain closed) that's approx 50% of all angeles bars have been raided,

Am I dreaming all this? Or is this what is happening, yes I'm sure that some small blow job bars on blow row and some bars in far out perimeter road are trying to find ways around the mayors wishes but I say the mayor is adamant, the police are adamant, the special task force are adamant and most important the us government and Hillary Clinton are hell bent on closing down the bars of Angeles if they don't fully understand and stick to the new rules.

Now Westcoast 1, you might choose not to believe me, the news the mayor or harry the horse, you might choose to believe some of the guys that swear blind Angeles is still rocking and nothing has changed, you might choose to believe the few Angeles bargirls, or the friend of a friends claims as they say up to you, as for me I'll choose to believe what I have recently experienced and not what others might claim, thanks.

[Ekspat]

Now I know fields avenue fairly well and as far as I know there are only two bars that would be open at 3pm.

Thinking just for a few seconds I know at least 6 bars open at 3pm between McArthur Highway and Phillies Sports Bar. If you consider Pony Tails still Fields, then easily 10 bars.

[WestCoast1]

please let us know exactly what you are saying, fields or perimeter, as i find it very hard to understand how you managed to barfine a girl on fields from bars that have a no bar fine policy and that you managed to even get a large discount thrown in too, it would also help your fellow mongers to name the bar on fields that is offering bar fines to first time visitors at heavily discounted rates, thanks.

the point might be moot. i am in touch (ym) with two bargirls who i had recently. one is a blow-row girl, the other is from a regular bar on fields (near angelwitch).

the blow-row girl went on a 2-hour st with a guy 3 days ago in the usual way to his hotel. he was drunk and beligerant. after the lovin' he would not let her leave the room or use her cell phone. she said she was very afraid of him. when he went to the can she grabbed her stuff and bolted back to the bar. i specifically asked if the p700 paid to the bar before departure was still in effect and she said yes.

the regular bar girl i took several weeks ago. in her bar, you just take the girl and give her the barfine amount the next morning, which she splits later with the bar (you leave the bar first while she changes, and she meets you just up the street a few minutes after you leave). she said in chat her date two nights previous was a nice guy but he pulled out a knife and peeled an apple in the room. i asked her if he was rude or did anything wrong, and she said no, but his having the knife scared her. he paid up in the morning the same amount that i paid and he gave her a tip on top of that (more than i did).

matt, you're going way out on a limb here.

you are fishing for information here, and i don't like it. to all: pleae don't give info on this open board that can lead to problems for individuals in bars in ac!

good point. i was going to mention the two bars above (and show a picture of the front of each bar) , so mathew would 'get it'. but that might get a particular bar in trouble with the local authorities, so the approximate street location will have to do.

matt, can we be done with which bar is handling their former 'barfine' in which manner? we have gents reporting they are paying to take girls. and now the bargirls are confirming they are going to the hotels (for money).

[John Traveller]

you are somewhat alarmist here. imho. the stuff you describe has not happened yet. sure, use caution and read the news, but at the moment there's no reason to stay away from ac.

sometimes there is a lull before the storm. i think mr cobb is on the right track, as this looks like a perfect storm setting up, and what's most troubling now they don't seem to be distinguishing between pervs going after **** girls like the bar owner (in the abc nightline report below) at subic versus just tourists who would never go near any **** girls. note the united states under the protect act has long been claiming extra territorial jurisdiction for alleged criminal acts committed outside their borders, ones not even necessarily crimes in the countries where carried out.

[John Traveller]

You are fishing for information here, and I don't like it. To all: pleae don't give info on this open board that can lead to problems for individuals in bars in AC!

Ez rhino, below is a paragraph from your trip report (post 913013) you posted of your 1st 3 day first trip to Angeles last week, in it you clearly state that the girl you bar fined was from a perimeter road bar and you paid 1400 pesos,

Now as per your report yesterday (post 13119) you now claim that your 1400 peso barfine was from a fields avenue bar at 3pm,

Now I know fields avenue fairly well and as far as I know there are only two bars that would be open at 3pm and both do not have a barfine priced at 1400 pesos, are you sure it was fields and not as you say in your trip report a bar on perimeter road,

Please let us know exactly what you are saying, fields or perimeter, as I find it very hard to understand how you managed to barfine a girl on fields from bars that have a no bar fine policy and that you managed to even get a large discount thrown in too, it would also help your fellow mongers to name the bar on fields that is offering bar fines to first time visitors at heavily discounted rates, thanks.

[ThatGuy865]

[quote=western787; 1451371]

all bars are pretty much back to normal / quote]

sometimes there is a lull before the storm. i think mr cobb is on the right track, as this looks like a perfect storm setting up, and what's most troubling now they don't seem to be distinguishing between pervs going after **** girls like the bar owner (in the abc nightline report below) at subic versus just tourists who would never go near any **** girls. note the united states under the protect act has long been claiming extra territorial jurisdiction for alleged criminal acts committed outside their borders, ones not even necessarily crimes in the countries where carried out. but of course while powerful democratic senator robert menedez (d-nj) and what may have occurred in costa rica is ignored and swept under the rug by the usa dept of justice (in his case actual credible evidence of involvement with **** providers) , the take down and examples here will be directed at small guys unable to defend themselves, blokes likely doing absolutely nothing wrong. if this is about only **** providers, that is one thing, but i am not sure anyone can proclaim that yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqklpku-way

no customers have ever been taken away. at worst they make you sit in the bar until it has been cleared. as long as you have identification they let you leave. always carry your drivers license or a copy of passport.

they cannot hold or charge a person for sitting in a bar having a drink. they would have to have undercover posing as bar girls waiting to sting customers. that would be damn near impossible because the bar would have to be in on it and it has never happened.

customers do not have to worry. the only ones that have any worry are the bar employees and the girls. besides they wouldn't want to scare off tourist and that would. even businessmen do p4p with business. and they would be scared off too. conventions would be moved to less hostile countries. they will only go after bar employees, who they consider the ones who are the major exploiters of the girls. fl's. are a different story and should be avoided in ac for that reason and others.

this is a re-occurring "money" making ploy they use every year or so. there were more raids in 2011. than this year.

ac may change. but it a slow gradual change. with plenty of fun to be had. what may happen 5 yrs down the road is a different story. but for now. its still disney land for men.