Bogota Reports

[LatinBull]

Hello amigos,

This might become handy when visiting Colombia (Bogota)

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Mr. Chencho

[LatinBull]

Gents,

I will be in Bogota the night of the 18th of December.
Anyone for a beer? Send me a PM is so.

Of course a report about this trip will follow soon.

Mr. Chencho

[Rabo Verde]

I have seen probably 100 of these situations in the last 25 years and never saw any work out in the long term. CATCH-22: If she is just a user, you will spend money and get hurt. If she IS a really nice person, she will be crying all the time about family tragedies, and you will have to "volunteer" to help or watch her cry about her family. Many of these girls are real sweetie-pies, but that means they will be totally devoted to their families. I have seen these girls literally go hungry so they can send every penny home for Uncle Charlie who needs a penis transplant, or whatever the "tragedy of the week" is. I have also sat and listened to these girls compare their American "boyfriends" and brag about how much money each is sending... They call them "Western Union Girls". But hey you only live once!!!

[SandRabbit]

hey Cachaca Lover,.... you know you've got a "keeper " when she tries to give some of your money BACK TO YOU!!!.......hope it works out?!..........RAB

[I Love Sluts]

Cachaca Lover,

You are a smart person and i think you see the truth . Just put yourself in her position,HER LOGIC IS get some american guy to pay for my life and fuck him a couple times a month , or fuck everynight for no money with some colombians. She is looking for the easy way out and why not, but if she has worked at various clubs in the area including Panama City, then she is a money hungry ***** looking for your American Dollar. Just beware and I would make a spreadsheet on your computer and put down everything that you have given her in regards to money.

If you want to see if she really cares , do not give her any money and see if she stays in contact, then you will get the real person. Just my 2 cents.

ILS

[Marino]

Cachaca Lover,

I was at a similar situation like this, my girl studies full time at an university, but was working temporarily at a massage parlor to make some quick cash for a sudden financial crisis when I met her. Since then, I have been to Colombia to see her every month, and get to know her family as well. Our relacionship didn't involve money, at least not yet. A few time I was gonna give her money at the airport ,she refused. This and from other oservation made me think that she is not in this relation for money. The whole time we were together, I can feel she is not a hardcore pro, and money has never been a subject. She always returned the changes when I gave her money to pay for something. But in reality, one way or the other thay are all looking for financial security.

Even if yo can go down to Colombia every month like I did, most of the time you are still apart, and that is not very healthy for a relationship. I called her, and she writes me every day, a lot of misunderstanding still occured dued to the distance. In my case, language was not a problem. If you can't move down there and live with her, the relation will be very difficult. I know many Colombian girls live on the support of their "Amantes", either a local man who can afford or a foreigner, and in return they provide sex in demand. For these girls, love has a very different definition than a regular girl. If companionship and sex is what you are looking for, they can be very passionate and romantic. They are the best lovers. For a serious relationship, I would avoid a working girl or these amantes.

I also travel to Latin America a lot for business, let me know and hope we can meet up somewhere sometimes.

[Cachaca Lover]

Thanks to all of you for helping me to think through this situation. Some of the postings were like a bucket of ice cold water thrown in my face, but the net effect was that I got a better night’s sleep last night than I have in a while, like since this whole thing began.

I realized I might have come off making some unintentionally naïve statements in my original posting, especially after reading Chuponalgas and ILS’s comments, so I want to add some more info to this mix. I said that the night I met her at the Lido it was just her second night. What I meant was that it was her second night working at the Lido. She had already worked at other places, including a stint in Panama. She was a professional and knew what she was doing. I don’t have any illusions of an innocent little girl having been forced into the Lido and just trying to get through her second night on the job.

As to the Same Old Story/Colombian Sex Trap syndrome – I have also been there and done that and know the drill. I had a regular “friend” at the Lido a couple of years ago, a very cute Calena. Our little thing went on for probably about a year. It got to the point that she didn’t want me to reimburse her for her services, and she also regularly procured another girl for the two of us to enjoy together. Then one day she needed to pay her mother’s rent or else her mother would be thrown out of her apartment. I was surprised, but helped her out. Shortly afterwards, she needed money or else the telephone to the apartment would be cut off. I was kind of annoyed and gave her some of the money. Then there was some other emergency. I was feeling used and abused. End of the story.

I’ve had a couple of other friends since her. One of them (from Exstasis) told me her mom needed an operations and could I help out. I knew this was the Same Old Story syndrome so bye-bye. The next one (from the Lido) – by the way, a drop-dead gorgeous blond in that to-die-for Colombiana way – called me one day to tell me they were going to cut off the water to her mom’s apartment if she didn’t pay her water bill. Bye-bye again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I just wanted to have all that part of the story out there so you’re not thinking this is some dumb American just getting initiated into the Colombian scene. The current object of my attention has some different and unique qualities that I see. I am generally a good judge of character, although I’ve also made some dumb mistakes in my past. I see a light in this one that I have not seen in others, which was why I wanted to know of others’ experiences. I wanted to know if my previous experiences (Chuponalgas’ Same Old Story syndrome) is the way it ALWAYS turns out, or if anyone has had different experiences, ever.

In any case, you’re comments have helped me to think more rationally about this. I still am turning it all over in my head about what to do next, but I have more food for thought thanks to all of you. If you think of other advice to add to what’s already been given, please go ahead and let me know.

Out of curiosity – most of you sound like you spend lots of time in Colombia. Do you live there or just go there a lot? Would you be interested in meeting up sometime if it turns out we’re there at the same time?

And to Surfer – your comments about the sweetness of Colombians is appreciated. I have traveled and worked all over Latin America and have never met any group of people nicer, friendlier, and more open than the people of Colombia.

[Simple Man]

Cachaca,

I won't presume to tell you what you should or shouldn't do, your a grown man and capable of making your own decisions. I will, however, share some actual personal experience and my opinion.

I did support a 21 year old woman from Medellin, her mother and 3 year old sister for over a year. My situation did not end the way that I hoped. I am not bitter or angry about that, only disappointed.

I still think that it is possible that the situation that you are describing could have a happy ending. The complication with yours is your existing family but you know your situation and feelings there better than anyone else.

I would agree with the people that have advised against rushing into the situation. If there are pressing needs which are causing her to go to work in another country then maybe you could offer to take care of these immediate needs if she postpones her new employment.

I would think that to support the girl it would cost at least $500.00 a month. If she is supporting other family members then be prepared to pay more.

If you do go forward with this, then I would recommend that you make sure that you spend time with her on at least a monthly basis. I think that a large factor in the failure of my own relationship was that we only saw each other every 2-3 months. It made it hard to keep the fire going in the relationship. No matter how much you talk on the phone or e-mail its not the same as being there.

I would also advise to keep other people out of your business and make sure that she agrees with that philiosophy. I had the misforune of having a friend of mine meet a girl that knew mine. The ensuing meddling was the source of most of my problems in my relationship.

Finally, take this board with a grain of salt. There are some posters that actually put some thought into what they write and offer advice based on actual experiences. There are others that seem to talk out of their asses and offer expert opinions on issues that they know nothing about and claim a myriad of experiences just to read their own posts and feel important. I am sorry if this insults anyone but I know for a fact one person posting in this chain is full of s***.

Whatever you decision is best of luck and always pursue what makes you happy.

[Surfer]

cachaca lover: Caution is required, and don't act hastily, but your idea IS doavble in my opinion. Yes there are snakes in the grass, but Colombia is also full of sweet, honest young lasses in economic distress who could use some help but will treat you like a king in return. US women will drain your wallet even more efficiently and without giving back the sex & love which Colombianas will give you.

[Rabo Verde]

Well if she got a full-time job as a secretary she would earn about $200 a month.

[Ferolga777]

A question for those in the know, so that our friend Cachaca Lover can get an idea of how much to send his mistress in Colombia. Let's say that she lives in Bogota and he wants to make her a reasonable offer. How much per month should he send her?

Oh, by the way. Whenever I start having feelings for a working girl I go and bang someone who looks like her from behind. In other words, I agree with those that think developing a relationship with her is a mistake.

[I Love Sluts]

YEP, THE COLOMBIAN SEX TRAP,


These colombian girls are all the same, they are so desperate because they are so poor that they will do anything for there survival. I agree with many of you that you can find a sweetheart out there, but most of these colombian girls do the same thing, they try to get two to three boyfriends with the same attributes,(suckers with money), they get three to four guys to pay them monthly dollars and it adds up very nicely. I see it all the time in Panama City, these girls get apartments for free and they are escorting on the side when the American is in the United States. I know many girls in Panama City that have Americans paying for there apartment and they are fucking on the side for money. I know this because i am the one fucking when they are out of the country. Remember

1. Would these girls support you if you were the one with no money?
2. do you really think they would care about you if you were poor?
3. if they were the ones with the money, would they give you the time of day, or would they be looking the other way,I guarantee they would be looking for more money, not interested in paying you jack shit

I might sound cynical and rude, but come on guys, these Colombians are only out for your money/ a better life for themselves. I AM ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR MY FELLOW AMERICANS AS I WRITE THIS, if you want to throw your money away, fine, but these girls see you as an investment, not a person, these girls view us like we view the LOTTERY, it sure would be nice. My experience has been that it is great to hang out with these girls, they are great sex, nice people, but i would not get to involved, soon you will be paying for her cousins cousins whom you will never meet. Keep your money and just bang them. I have seen to many stupid Americans paying for these girls in Panama City /apartment/food/utilities etc. , and they fuck there clients in the apartment that the American has paid for, I know this because I am have seen it first hand as i have banged girls that i did not even know had American boyfriends. Just my 2 cents, but I believe is the truth.

ILS

[Rabo Verde]

This is an old old story. Been there done that. The girl always "just started" and isn't really that kind of girl. Blah blah blah. She may be the nicest, most sincere person in the world, and make a big point of not asking for money at first, but believe me, you will end up sending money. No matter how much you send, it will never be enough. If she is playing you, she will want the money for herself, if she is really nice, she will care about her family and will ask for more and more money for them. As soon as you take care of her problems, her relatives will start hitting her up. They don't really need to make up stories, they usually have legit problems, Uncle Jose is a diabetic who can't afford insulin, etc. Your girl may have no intent of "using" you, but Colombianas are very family-oriented, so they can't say no to their families. There is a never ending chain of family tragedy which only you will be able to fix. If you do not come thru, she will have no choice but to go work the bar scene in Costa Rica, Panama, etc., even tho it breaks her heart to do it. Do NOT abandon your U.S. family for this pipe dream. You have an addiction. At least set a monthly limit on what you will send, and stick to it no matter what. No matter what these girls say, they are NEVER able to send home more than $500- $1,000 a month from the "other country", so if you are sending $1,000 a month, she is doing better than she would otherwise. Set her up in an apartment if you want and go see her there. If you still feel the same in 3 years, maybe do something then. You are no doubt 20 years older than her, so be aware that the girl will probably see other guys when you are not there, no matter what she says. You can easily verify this for a few hundred dollars by hiring a Colombian private investigator.

[Ferolga777]

<<So – am I crazy or what?>>

Yes you are. In the way that all men are. Here's the setup. Don't get rid of your wife. Your kids need a daddy and a mommy. Plus divorce can be so expensive.

Instead, you rent a nice apartment for your girlfriend in Colombia. Give her a nice monthly stipend. Don't go overboard.

Now, be French about the whole thing. She might be unfaithful to you while you are away. That's okay. You say to yourself, hey, no biggie.

Always let her know far in advance when you are going to show and always wear a condom for vaginal or anal sex.

You are not the first, you won't be the last.

Good luck,
Ferolga

[Ricker]

Cachaca,

It's great to find someone who rocks your world! ...

You seem to be an experienced guy ... here's the question ... is she asking for $$$?

If she goes to this different country to work ... you can't see her anymore?

Enjoy this chica, get to know her better ... with time you'll get a better feel for her feelings or if she's just using you.

Suerte.