Kyiv

[Uoykucf]

If you really want a non stop sexathon with many girls, the best place is in an FKK club. Go to Germany for this. See the FKK thread. There it is most usual that I fuck three, four or sometimes five girls in one day. It's because the pretty naked girls are all around you in the FKK club and coming on to you to come and fuck them. They will even suck your cock in the kino trying to get you into a room. If you like the beauty of Eastern European women, there is no need to seek a fuckfest in Thailand with Asian women who don't have the same kind of beauty. You can have a fuckfest of amazing proportions in the FKK's.

FKK's - 50 euros extra for CIM. Speaking of CIM, reminds me of a tall young pretty girl, Julia, who came to my town for school, who lives 500 km from Kiev and who is a real deep throat vacuum cleaner. She can really make you cum several times in her mouth with one BBBJ, and it's only 25 euros half an hour and 35 euros an hour. She's a great GFE if you guys like that but too bad she's not hardcore and couldn't be made hardcore. Too bad she went back home because I can really use a great BBBJ CIM when I am fully loaded. I hope she'll be back next year as she said she might.

[Uoykucf]

It is true that in certain environments, a man will behave different sexually. I find that in Kiev, I feel satiated when I have sex with one girl in the afternoon, and another girl later at night. So I don't always chase after additional girls each day, although theoretically I could. It seems I am satisfied with two girls a day, although on some days, when I have the opportunity to do it, I will have an additional girl come to my apartment in Kiev, just for the fun of it. Doing two girls a day, for a man of my age (over 50) , is not a big challenge. There are other guys on this forum in the same age bracket, who do a whole lot more fucking than just two girls each day.

One measure is how many times you cum in the time you paid for.

It's how many times you cum with all the girls really count, NOT how many girls you fuck, in a day. Cost per cum is the ultimate measure of cost effectiveness in P4P.

In many places in EE, WGs also use the cum rule. If you lick pussies, you are servicing the girls, and it should be the other way around.

[Michel47]

I will be in Kiev in two weeks and I will stay 4 days.

I would like to visit Paradise Cabaret localited in 5 stars hotel.

Please I would like to know if we can take out the girls?

Any help on that?

Thank you.

[Reiner Otto]

The only reason for dragging your ass all the way to Thailand is if your desire is for the cheapest sex, and that matters more to you than beauty.

Sorry, not correct. I lived for a few years in UA, in the area, where the most beautiful women in UA come from. Ask a few Ukrainians, and they will tell you, where this is.

And I lived and worked a few years in SPb before.

Unfortunately, the times, they are changing. Because I just returned from a phantastic trip to Thailand, about 50% of time in Pattaya.

When I now compare the prices of high class P4P in Pattaya and in UA, Pattaya just beats everything.

Examples: I had the stunner of one of the best GoGos on Walking street for a night. Complete damage: About 150$.

And this girl would also let U-turn your head on Kreshatik in Kiev.

In the complete opposite, I tried a BBBJ from one of the freelanders on Beach Road, still reasonable looking for my "spoiled high requirements".30Min, less than 20$. And well done.

So I will stay for a couple of weeks during UA-winter in Pattaya.

[Jelly Donut]

I am going to be in Kiev for just 3 days in early November.

I think Kiev Freak's post here was aimed at you, but I'll toss in some detail. The strip club Rio is behind the Taras Shevchenko Ukraine National Opera and directly across the street from the German Embassy. Many, but not all, of the girls dancing there are available. I believe the place opens at 4pm, but I'm not sure what the depth of talent looks like at that time. If you show up at 7pm you can have a drink or two and perhaps have a girl out the door before 9pm. The advantages and disadvantages of this option are covered in many posts on this thread. The highest ask I had from a girl there was $400 for what amounts to around three hours; the lowest, and most typical, ask was $300. I think my costs of just being in the club (drinks, dances, chatting up girls over drinks, tips) ran a little above $60 / hour minimum. You can just signal a girl who is dancing you are interested, many speak pragmatic English. I typically came in after 8pm or so; not sure how it will work showing up earlier. For your circumstances, this may be the most convenient path.

[TexasMorrell]

In Kiev I believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. Before I go Kiev, I make list with girls I find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. But it consumes too much time. Probably night will finish in Rio or mandarin. Websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. Almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. Because of my business, I cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. In thaland, in my first trip, I made 14 girls in 6 days. If I was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. So I decided to change my favorite mongering destination. In addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. Still for short trips I can visit Kiev but I believe Pattaya perfect mongering destination. From my town to Pattaya almost 15 houurs while Kiev 3 hours. But still I say Thailand. Safety. Many options. Better service. Tropical climate. Maybe girls not so stunning. But you can score many.

First, I have spent much time in Kiev and never felt unsafe or unwanted. I have also never had trouble finding plenty of women.

Second, comparing Thailand to Ukraine is night and day difference. I prefer quality over quantity and Ukraine has the highest quality women in the world, hands down. Beauty, brains, passion, the whole package. Russia is up there too but going to Ukraine is easier.

I love Ukraine so much I do not even desired to monger anywhere else. To each his own.

[Kiev Freak]

You need to try Rio and mandarin. Also dolls. And read forum. Give a look shooters and vodka bar, but not 100% guarantee to pick up a girl

[LilJoey]

in kiev i believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. before i go kiev, i make list with girls i find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. but it consumes too much time. probably night will finish in rio or mandarin. websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. because of my business, i cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. in thaland, in my first trip, i made 14 girls in 6 days. if i was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. so i decided to change my favorite mongering destination. in addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. still for short trips i can visit kiev but i believe pattaya perfect mongering destination. from my town to pattaya almost 15 houurs while kiev 3 hours. but still i say thailand. safety. many options. better service. tropical climate. maybe girls not so stunning. but you can score many.

it is true that in certain environments, a man will behave different sexually. i find that in kiev, i feel satiated when i have sex with one girl in the afternoon, and another girl later at night. so i don't always chase after additional girls each day, although theoretically i could. it seems i am satisfied with two girls a day, although on some days, when i have the opportunity to do it, i will have an additional girl come to my apartment in kiev, just for the fun of it. doing two girls a day, for a man of my age (over 50) , is not a big challenge. there are other guys on this forum in the same age bracket, who do a whole lot more fucking than just two girls each day. usually the girl for the daytime afternoon hours is from the internet (mamba, top-modals etc.) , and at night sometimes lately, also a mamba girl, and sometimes a girl from a strip club. or one can get girls from a nightclub too.

so your statement that in six days it would be "amazing" if you could have sex with 7 girls, is difficult to understand. since you obviously have the capacity to have sex with 14 girls in that period, as you did in thailand. so it seems that your difficulty was in obtaining the actual girls to fuck, not the fucking itself. but why should it be so difficult for you to get girls to fuck in kiev? they are all over the place and internet.

you should read my discussion of how to handle interviewing and fucking mamba girls, which you can find a link to on the reports of distinction thread. in a 3 day trip, it is not a good idea to do the cafe interviews by speed dating all afternoon, as it wastes too much "fucking time". instead, just have the most promising mamba girls come to your apartment, and send away those who are not doable, but fuck those who are sexy enough to fuck. it's cheap at $75 or $100 or less for an hour. sometimes a really pretty girl will show up, and you will keep her contact info for future use.

if you really want a non stop sexathon with many girls, the best place is in an fkk club. go to germany for this. see the fkk thread. there it is most usual that i fuck three, four or sometimes five girls in one day. it's because the pretty naked girls are all around you in the fkk club and coming on to you to come and fuck them. they will even suck your cock in the kino trying to get you into a room. if you like the beauty of eastern european women, there is no need to seek a fuckfest in thailand with asian women who don't have the same kind of beauty. you can have a fuckfest of amazing proportions in the fkk's.

the only reason for dragging your ass all the way to thailand is if your desire is for the cheapest sex, and that matters more to you than beauty. because the fkk's are more expensive.

[KenD03]

Hello all,

I am going to be in Kiev for just 3 days in early November. I have a busy work schedule while I'm there, and I'm not much of a drinker / partier so I'm not that into clubbing or really staying out past about midnight.

I am looking for recommendations for places where I can go, have a drink or two, easily meet some pro girls and have them back to my apartment for some fun. I am more interested in quality / safety / convenience and can spend a little more to find that (within reason).

I have heard / read that there are strip bars where there is a 99% chance you can take a girl out for a good time. How does this work?

Any recommendations much, much appreciated!

Thanks!

[Kiev Freak]

In Kiev I believe you need stay minimum 1 week to enjoy it. Before I go Kiev, I make list with girls I find in mamba, go a cafe and invite girls by one by. But it consumes too much time. Probably night will finish in Rio or mandarin. Websites like escort-modals mostly fake photos. Almost not possible to pick up a girl from street. Because of my business, I cannot stay longer than 3-4 days. In thaland, in my first trip, I made 14 girls in 6 days. If I was in ukraine, even half of this (7 girls) would be amazing. So I decided to change my favorite mongering destination. In addition, ukraine is not safe, locals and militia don't like you. Still for short trips I can visit Kiev but I believe Pattaya perfect mongering destination. From my town to Pattaya almost 15 houurs while Kiev 3 hours. But still I say Thailand. Safety. Many options. Better service. Tropical climate. Maybe girls not so stunning. But you can score many.

[Himself]

100 USD an hour is a rip off.

It

Dear Candianboy.

Indeed 100USD / hr is rip-off for a semipro, maybe for 2-3 hours for 150, or 2-300 for the night would be ok for that part of the country. Even in a hot-spot like Odessa you will find girls. 8-10 on the richter scale, who will stay with you for the night for 250-300 USD.

Anyway no need to trade as there are more than 1000 "students" offering their services in both Kiev as well as Kharkov.

Have good luck and take care out there.

[LilJoey]

good report, protocol. but just to have the information in one spot concerning this venue, including the "take out" information that is no doubt of interest to readers of this thread, here is the info from the report i filed after visiting dolls last year, bars upon the printed "krazy menu" that the club was using at the time to list the prices of various types of entertainments with the girls.

just kidding. these continuing posts by the veteran members about tashkent have truly enhanced the kiev thread.

but seriously, i have not forgotten your questions and will answer in due course. but here are a few tidbits that might be of value to those intending to visit kiev soon.

(1) mandarin reopening: according to slava, the genial manager of the vip room at rio, the sister club of rio, that was called mandarin and was located on the river not far from the rp, and used to have a nice floor show with singers and dancers, will be reopened by the end of april. i hope it is true. it was a great club with lots of hotties. prices were similar to prices at rio.

(2) dolls. (57 chervonoarmiis'ka) the new strip club that opened recently is a large space with very nice decor and about 15. 20 girls at the time of my visit, with some who were quite pretty. they have a "krazy menu" with all the prices and various sexy activities listed. i asked the manager for a photocopy of it, and will scan and post it when i can get to a scanner, but the main prices of interest are: private dances. 400 uah ($50 usd) ; 2 hours of time "exempting a girl from her obligations at the club" (i. e. you can take her out of the club. $300 usd; all night "exempting girl from club". $500 usd. so the prices are higher than rio.

dolls vs rio: private dances at rio cost half as much and give much more action. the girl at dolls that i took to a private dance had the notion that part of it should be her dancing in front of a mirror a few feet in front of me, and i had to motion her to get her ass over to where it was needed. she wasn't a take out girl, though. another girl who was a "take out" girl gave a much hotter dance. but at these prices most guys would forgo private dances at dolls. the take out date at dolls is $300, like at rio, but it is only for 2 hours, so the net rate is $150 / hour versus $100 / hour at rio. the dolls all night date for $500 is the only thing of slight interest, since the club shows the potential of bringing in some very high level talent, but it's only of interest to guys who would spend that much for a full night with a very beautiful girl. whether dolls can compete with rio? it depends on whether either can present a line up worthy of the prices they are asking. the dolls 2 hour date for $300 (a net rate of $150 / hr) exceeds the rate i have considered ok for kiev up until now. since rio provides a sufficient supply of girls on an 8 or 8. 5 level, there is no reason to pay more at dolls for the same. the only reason i could begin to consider taking girls from dolls at higher prices would be for girls on a very high level, like truly above a 9 in looks and service, and then i would lean toward the all night date, to amortize the cost and reach a lower per hour net cost..

broke my drunken vow already. oops.

anyway walked out the wrong way and went to dolls. hours are 8pm to 6am. i think.

this club is actually really nice. first, it's new new new, and very cool lights and ambiance. great seating, and the sofas by the walls have semi-curtains between each that gives you a feeling of privacy without losing your contact with the club.

three stages with girls going through them in rotation.

parts i really liked: girls were on the upper end of the scale, mostly 8s, nobody i'd put under a 7. 5 and the consistent standards made for good viewing. girls had some nice outfits too. waitresses are dressed as flight attendants with "dolls airlines" on the uniform. a+. will fly with you again.

in a huge shocker for ukraine the manager actually acted like he wanted patrons in his club, and furthermore cared about whether they were enjoying themselves. genuine smiles from staff and the only bit of ex-kgb-agent-type-bs was during the standard weapons scan and "no peecture, no beedeeo" comment. which of course is kind of fine because wankers are always in there trying to sneak pictures of the girls, so you have your fair warning if you get caught they're going to want to watch you do some deleting probably. i've been hearing that at the entrance of a lot of strip clubs now. hope it doesn't go to the next step of put your phone in the safe while you're in here.

spoke at length with a charming girl who was interesting and beautiful and the kind of girl you'd date. except that she also designed the bdsm room at the club and likes to use the whip. well for some makes it more interesting.

and yes they have a bdsm room. light play i believe. but indeed it's on the menu.

private rooms are very private, your own room with a closed door, and nice lighting inside with their own sound system. each of them is slightly different, i think there are four downstairs. one is a peep show room (see below). one bdsm (you don't need to partake but there are chains hanging from the ceiling).

what may interest some of you is the upstairs. i asked for a tour when i was leaving so i could report here. upstairs is very clean, very new, like 4. 5 star hotel nice. two "erotik massage" rooms on either end of the floor. these consist of a big red bed which looks like it would hold about 4 people, and i guess you can have your choice of one girl (500 uah) or two (double price) for 30 mins. i don't know what the constraints are on it, just passing the info. looked clean and nice.

there's a shower up there, maybe two or three, and a jacuzzi room with karaoke. very clean, spotless, nice quality furnishings, had a "cleaned and disinfected" sticker on the jacuzzi...

[Climaxnow]

Thank you for the reports Protocol. Did you find any hot pussy? If yes, where?

[YellowPaul]

Anybody can have experience with this girl:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1107311733/dating

[Ronaldinjo]

broke my drunken vow already. oops.

anyway walked out the wrong way and went to dolls. hours are 8pm to 6am. i think.

this club is actually really nice. first, it's new new new, and very cool lights and ambiance. great seating, and the sofas by the walls have semi-curtains between each that gives you a feeling of privacy without losing your contact with the club.

three stages with girls going through them in rotation.

parts i really liked: girls were on the upper end of the scale, mostly 8s, nobody i'd put under a 7. 5 and the consistent standards made for good viewing. girls had some nice outfits too. waitresses are dressed as flight attendants with "dolls airlines" on the uniform. a+. will fly with you again.

in a huge shocker for ukraine the manager actually acted like he wanted patrons in his club, and furthermore cared about whether they were enjoying themselves. genuine smiles from staff and the only bit of ex-kgb-agent-type-bs was during the standard weapons scan and "no peecture, no beedeeo" comment. which of course is kind of fine because wankers are always in there trying to sneak pictures of the girls, so you have your fair warning if you get caught they're going to want to watch you do some deleting probably. i've been hearing that at the entrance of a lot of strip clubs now. hope it doesn't go to the next step of put your phone in the safe while you're in here.

spoke at length with a charming girl who was interesting and beautiful and the kind of girl you'd date. except that she also designed the bdsm room at the club and likes to use the whip. well for some makes it more interesting...

did you see any stunner in dalls, i mean 9 and above? the policy there was similar to rio a year ago since m last time there, are there appartments in the club as in moscow strip clubs? with respect.