Ukraine Politics

[Me and You]

Sure it was ok, we do live per minutte in this life or per month!?

I left Kiev last week and everything was ok.

[Tomux 22]

And some members here were saying, it was ok to travel to Kiev.

Sure it was ok, we do live per minutte in this life or per month!?

[AdelaT]

Even better than normal because less mongers so less competition and less prices. This is my personal experience on the place. I had the same impression as you before landing from listening the news, but on the ground nothing changed for me from my previous visits. I do not need to go Maidan and Kreshatic in the cold winter. In summer could be different. Jojosun, welcone to Kiev.

I am not happy that my point proven to be correct, things are not "normal" in Kiev. 19 people were dead last night, so unless you have to be there better to wait and see, I do love the city myself, but it is wise not to be there now.

[Starchild2012]

http://beforeitsnews.com/protests-de...d-2452890.html

[WARNING: Graphic content on the link, the real ground situation...in Kiev] not lame stream media story

Canadian embassy has been seized by armed group.

#BREAKING Protesters storm the Canadian Embassy in Kiev.

UKRAINE INTERIOR MINISTRY SAYS 73 POLICEMEN INJURED. 3 IN COMA.

Rumors in Russian social media that #Ukraine to close all airports and borders from midnight #Euromaidan.

Two jet aircrafts, presumably military, have appeared over Maidan in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, the mass media report.

Second policeman dies in Kiev – Ministry.

CZECH DIPLOMATS EVACUATED FROM KIEV.

Ukraine: The death toll is likely to increase, as opposition leader #Lutsenko reported that he has seen at least 10 corpses #Kiev #maidan

20 dead and around 500 protestors injured according to the doctors of #maidan

Sniper shoots opposition leader while on stage.

Batkivshchyna deputy leader Oleksandr Turchinov wounded by gunfire in #Kyiv, reports TV channel 24

Ominous – Crimean parliament calls events in Ukraine beginning of “civil war,” reserves right to “urge residents to defend their autonomy.”

French TV says now 21 dead - 8 policeman and 13 rioters

Around 300 rioters have surrounded the local administration building and police department in Ukraine’s western city of Ternopol, Unian reported. Protesters threw bricks at the police department windows and demanded that officers evacuate the building. As policemen began making their way out through the back exit, rioters continued to throw rocks and chased them down the street. There are reports that a person threw three smoke bombs and grenades.

The Torn Curtain ‏@TornCurtain1991 · 2 min
Militia HQ in Ternopil set afire. Similar reports from other cities. Maidan is national revolution @euromaidan @khanasV @sitemaidan_eng
Vitali Klitschko arrives at Ukraine President HQ’s for talks, earlier Yanukovich reportedly had telephone conversation with Joe Biden

KYIV – DEATH TOLL IN CLASHES RISING TO 19, DOCTOR TELLS @BILD

[Starchild2012]

19 dead so far tonight is the latest from CNN.

I could seriously see a slow decline into a civil war there as the country is that badly divided is a real possibility.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

And some members here were saying, it was ok to travel to Kiev.

[CastOnThis]

19 dead so far tonight is the latest from CNN.

I could seriously see a slow decline into a civil war there as the country is that badly divided is a real possibility.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

What I am concerned about is whether this will be good or bad for sex tourism? Ideally the price of sex should drop down to 2010 prices. That would be really great.

[YellowPaul]

19 dead so far tonight is the latest from CNN.

I could seriously see a slow decline into a civil war there as the country is that badly divided is a real possibility.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/18/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Member #4274]

Shit is really going down in the heart of Kyiv tonight. 9 reported dead and well over 100 wounded. The riot police are attempting to crush the protestors by storming Maidan. The metro system has been closed all evening under threat of terrorism. If you are planning to arrive in Kyiv in the next few days keep an eye on the news. Its extremely unwise to venture to the center for any reason right now.

[Jojosun]

Sorry, but I do not think the sentence "everything is normal in Kiev " is really the correct words to describe the situation right now, let us be honest with ourself. If you have to stay away from certain areas, that is not normal. If you have to be extra cautious, that is not normal. If you have to return to your apartement or hotel early, that is not normal. If you do not know what the situation will be after a week or two from now, that is not normal. Again, I love the city. Been there teens of times. Let us wait and see.

Which clubs, places of sexual interest away from Maidan would you recommend?

Thanks in advance

[Me and You]

Even better than normal because less mongers so less competition and less prices. This is my personal experience on the place. I had the same impression as you before landing from listening the news, but on the ground nothing changed for me from my previous visits. I do not need to go Maidan and Kreshatic in the cold winter. In summer could be different. Jojosun, welcone to Kiev.

When the situation was "normal in Kiev " before the present conflict started, I only managed doing trips there for few days duration or long weekends.

Now there is a rare window of opportunity for me to go there for few weeks which under "normal" domestic circumstances wouldn't have been able to. .

As Jodie Foster once said " Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."

[Jojosun]

Sorry, but I do not think the sentence "everything is normal in Kiev " is really the correct words to describe the situation right now, let us be honest with ourself. If you have to stay away from certain areas, that is not normal. If you have to be extra cautious, that is not normal. If you have to return to your apartement or hotel early, that is not normal. If you do not know what the situation will be after a week or two from now, that is not normal. Again, I love the city. Been there teens of times. Let us wait and see.

When the situation was "normal in Kiev " before the present conflict started, I only managed doing trips there for few days duration or long weekends.

Now there is a rare window of opportunity for me to go there for few weeks which under "normal" domestic circumstances wouldn't have been able to. .

As Jodie Foster once said " Normal is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from."

[Uoykucf]

I have been to Kiev enough times to know it's best to stay away now unless you speak fluent Russian and have some local contacts. There are plenty of other places you get you can women with a lot less hassle then Ukraine is currently.

You are right on, man! There are plenty of other places you get you can women with a lot less hassel than Ukraine is currently.

Even in the best of times, there's a lot of hassel unless you spend western prices; then what's the point!

[LilJoey]

Many recent posts encouragingly note that life goes on as usual in the rest of the city of Kiev, and visitors are able to go about their business unmolested, as long as they stay away from the Maidan area and Khreshchatyk, because whatever violence there has been up until this point, has been limited to that specific area.

This kind of thinking is not adequate. It is not sufficient to take note only of what has been up until now. This situation is fluid and developing over time. It can go in different directions. It is required to consider what may develop in the near future, and whether you would want to be caught up in the middle of a government crackdown on the political opposition and the demonstrators and all their actual or imagined Western supporters, ties or influences, which is a possibility that may develop.

There are many factors at play, including international issues and pressures from various directions. The opposition wants to oust the current government. The current government may not want to accept being ousted. Though, hopefully a resolution can be found for the political conflict inside Ukraine that takes place in a peaceful manner. But make no mistake. The current government of Ukraine backed by the Russian government has the resources and power to crush the opposition in a violent manner and restore "order". The fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 is not ancient history. It is recent. And many of the same players are still in government and playing a role. The Western governments want to draw Ukraine into Europe and away from the Russian orbit. Many Ukrainians were happy with their ties to the Soviet Union and want Ukraine to stay tied to Russia. The Ukrainian people are divided on this, as to what direction Ukraine should take. This is a very big issue being played out, as various forces want Ukraine to move in different directions, and have become frustrated with the normal political process, resulting in violent demontrations. Where will it go from here is the question, not what has happened up till now. Things can remain as they have been. But things could seriously deteriorate also. Time will tell. I don't have a crystal ball. Use your good judgment. You might get in and out of Kiev with no mishap. Or things might get ugly quickly while you were there on a trip. Better safe than sorry. Use your judgment.

[Me and You]

Stop that bullshit propaganda about how terrible and dangerouse it is in Kiev. Book your flights and go, just stay away Maidan. Plenty of chiks other places. Best for Ukraine?? What is best for Ukraine, smart people dont protest and understands this is international politics of who will colonaise Ukraine.

I agree with you. I am in Kiev now and everything is usual, just avoid Maidan and half of Kreshatik where start the barricades, which are open for people to pass through and go their works, but better as foreigners no to go there. And better to stay away from Maidan and from politics as everybody is right as the country is divided between Europe and Russia. Things are calming down now.

Good luck to all.

[Poker Player 2]

I reckon you just love writing and you have all day to do it. I seldom read your posts and when I do read a few lines (by accident) , I have a hard time understanding the relevance to the subject matter of this board. Did you work as a lecturer when you were young?

Apologies in advance for appearing to be harsh. You will no doubt continue doing what you have always done.

Respect to all.

I do recall at the time of the Swine Flu, Epedimy. Nov 2009 as it was called then in Ukraine, both the US&UK governments issued Travel Warnings against all travel to Ukraine.

As it turned out that Swine Flu in UA was a bit of a Phantom Flu according to this.

Ukraine's Phantom Flu. Foreign Policy.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...ntom_flu&#8206

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25 Nov 2009. How Yulia Tymoshenko created a swine flu panic to get herself elected. As GDP contracted by over 15 percent in the third quarter of 2009 and.

At present there is no warning about travel to Ukraine by the 2 major Western governments, just advise to keep away from demonstrations and the area around Maidan.

Ravel. State. Gov / content / passports / english / alertswarnings / ukraine-travel-alert. Html.

" USA citizens are advised to avoid all protests, demonstrations, and large gatherings. USA citizens whose residences or hotels are located in the vicinity of the protests are cautioned to leave those areas"

UK government travel advice to British citizens.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/ukraine

"The demonstrations in Kiev are mainly taking place around Independence Square and European Square. You should avoid all demonstrations and large public gatherings."

Tourists & mongers still travelling to Bangkok and Thailand and parts of Bangkok at times were worse than Maidan.

Kiev & Ukraine would be a more civilized scene at times pf protests than Bangkok.