East China - Shanghai

[Ikksman]

=Ikksman.

Why not ignore the trolls and bullshitters in the forum, or use more irony to make them think about a foolish post. The ignore list is not perfect but it helps. Let's remain positive and share the good stuff here.

BJ.

Sound advice, although I think that irony is lost on these characters!

Cheers

[WrinkleFree]

2nd sauna trip:

Although I was planning on going to another Sauna the next day (Sunday) I just wasn't feeling up to it. I think I was tired from the night before and all the walking I had done earlier that day but I also was worried about going to another sauna with a poor selection. I think perhaps my expectations are just too high as I have been used to Macau saunas and their 15+ girls to select from. So having to do work Monday and Tuesday I didn't trek out to another sauna. Finally, on Wednesday night I decided to go to Tang Dynasty which was about 1 hour "door-to-door" using the metro. Arrived around 8pm and this place is really nice. Definitely a 4-5 star feel. I'm not sure if this place even has a sauna / spa since I didn't really search around the place. Here you are lead to our own little relaxing room which has a locker to put your stuff but stay full clothed. I was told to wait a minute and then was escorted with another dude to the fish bowl which is actually a very well lit stage that is huge and very high-class.

They had about 12-14 girls with a different price structure. (80mins).880rmb for most of the girls. 990 for the "blue" girl which I only saw one of and she was tall but not really attractive to me. And they had one "model" for 1080rmb and she was damn hot. I'd put her as a definite 9. (they also had a foreign girl perhaps from Russia or something, but I didn't inquire about her price) Most of the girls were in the 6-7 scale with one that was the 880rmb price that was a 8 (she was not too thin and had really nice C cup boobs and a very pretty face. It was me and another guy choosing and since there really was only one that I wanted I choose pretty quickly (#339 I think). If that girl was not there I might have had to take the model as I wasn't really attracted to the other girls.

So off to the room and she showed me a few of them which have "themes" I decided to pick the normal "hotel" style room with a huge circular bed and thankfully it had "normal" lighting and not that cheesy red light. Attached to the room is the shower/"leather" soapie bed.

So this place does the whole "soapie" massage routine with a bit of BBBJ. Very relaxing and she spent about 15-20mins with the soapie massage.

Off to the bed and she gets down to business and does more BBBJ and although she her technique is pretty darn good. Plus she is really hot and an amazing body. She does that for about 5-7 mins until I let go of my first shot. She didn't take it all in her mouth which is slightly disappointing but she has a really good attitude and super friendly so I forgave her quickly.

Cleaned up and she actually went out and came back with two "hot towels" for further cleaning / relaxation for my little brother and that felt fantastic! After relaxing for only about 5 mins or so and finding out she's 20yo and has been at this sauna for only 5 days she asked if we should keep going and although I'm hesitant that I can get up again that quickly I say "sure"!

Back to a BBBJ and after a few minutes I'm up to full 90% strength and she asks if I want to get the condom which I agree and I smartly start with missionary as I don't really like changing to a lot of different positions. This girl is tight and also super flexible. Did missionary for about 5 mins and I easily get my 2nd shot. I'm shocked. Haha. High-five!

Cleaned up a second time but without the hot towel service: (Chatted more and then we laid there watching TV. With 80min session and still around 30mins left I contemplated for about 10mins if it might be possible for a 3 shot. After about 10mins of watching TV I asked her to give it a try and she was fine with it. BBBJ got me up to 80% strength and after a few mins she asked if I wanted to continue with the BJ or go to sex and stupidly I opted for sex which meant precious seconds for her to locate another condom. By the time she got the condom on me I was down to 60% and by the time she got onto her back I was at 30. She tried to get him going with her hand but it was a no-go. I laughed and she took the condom off and I thought we might just lay there some more but she actually when right back to the BJ which got me a little hard again but I knew it was going to happen and I think she got the point and jokingly said my little brother is too tired. So she gave me a very weak massage and then off to shower.

Great experience there as she was extremely nice and gave amazing service. Staff there was also great and was curious about my Mandarin skills but for them they love when foreigner speak a bit of Chinese. I'd definitely go back and I probably should have come back here instead of going to a different sauna which I will recount in the next post.

[WrinkleFree]

Last week I visited Shanghai for the 1st time and spent a total of 5 nights. I thought that I might try 4 saunas and one day to check out Manhattan's, but I ended up only going to 3 saunas. My only mongering experience is 6-7 Macau Saunas. 2 Macau "racetrack" girls and 2 bar girls in Pattaya- oh and an awful Bangkok escort experience.

Day 1 was to Ba Di Ya (aka Pattaya) which I wanted to try since the price seemed reasonable at the 700rmb for 70mins. Got there at about 7pm on a Saturday and passed through about 3 "security / look-out" guys on my way to the building. At night with the accent lighting against the building the place looks pretty nice, but inside the place is pretty old. It's more on the scale of a "2. 0-2. 5 star" place. Having been only to saunas in Macau this place is pretty shabby. However, Macau sauna prices these days are pretty outrageous. But I'm not a snob, so I don't really care about the decor as look as they have a good girl selection and it doesn't smell bad.

Escorted to the locker room which was empty, stripped down then walked over the the sauna / shower area past about 4 workers. Sauna area also totally empty. After showering I decided to take a dip in the hot pool and hung out there for about 5 mins when another foreigner (white guy) went into one of the shower stalls. I decided to head over to fish bowl so I could get the maximum selection without the competition. Ha ha. And I'm glad I did because there was only 6 girls and all were 5-6's on my hotness scale except for one who was a 7. 5 but she was a bit chubby. All the girls seemed under 28yo and most early 20s. The fishbowl itself is pretty small so I don't really see how they could get more than 12 girls in there comfortably so this place might not be for those looking for a big selection however YMMV as usual since it could be all the hot girls were eating dinner or already taken. But I don't really mind chubbier girls that as long as the boobs are real and they are not flabby. She turned out to be 19yo with a firm natural C cup with a very pretty face.

My Mandarin is pretty bad, but working in Taiwan has made it better than the average foreigner. She asked me about changing into some "costume" like a nurse or something but I really didn't understand so I just told her whatever- which she took as not change into anything. The room was small and lit with that horrible red light. As we stood there holding and fondling each other she went into her sales pitch about getting another girl. My Chinese is good enough to understand that it was 450rmb extra, but I was able to ask her if the "2nd girl" would be different from the fish bowl girls because I did not want any of those other girls. She said, yes it was a different girl who was 20yo, and much prettier, thinner and taller than her. I asked if I could if I could see the girl first but she either didn't want me too or didn't really understand me. Thinking with my smaller head, I said ok- hoping that she was get some goddess. She left and the other girl came and she was not in the line up and she was very thin, tall and probably only 6. 5 on my hotness scale. She was 20, and a small B cup.

Both girls were really friendly and we tried to communicate as best we could. They did there hot water kissing / licking massage and then then thinner good went to work on the BBBJ which she was really good at. I had not had a "pop" in about 4 days so in about 3-4 mins my first shot was a CIM.

They cleaned me up and then what seemed like only 5 mins they were back to work with the chubby one have her turn with the BBBJ which was not as good as her friend but after a few mins my little brother was ready to go. They got the condom and she got on top and went to work but I think she got tired doing all the work for several mins because she wanted to change positions. I like missionary so we switched but during the switch my little brother lost his power so I told them let's rest for a bit as we probably had about 40mins left. They did a [CodeWord140] poor massage and we tried chatting a bit and they both chatted together a little. After about 10 mins they asked if I wanted to try again and of course I agreed and the thin one when to the BBBJ and her skills were still amazing. She went for about 6-8 mins more and I got my 2nd CIM. We hung out there for another 15 mins until we got the call and we left.

Overall for two girls and 1150rmb I think the price is ok for the sevice I got. But I was expecting more of a selection of girls. I think if I had to do it all over again I probably wouldn't opt for 2 girls. I think I like the 1-on-1 situation personally. Also with the lack of selection with girls (which could have just been the time I went) and the shabby decor I left knowing that I would not return.

[Nona]

Folks,

Had been to Shanghai during June of last year and had a good couple of sessions at Sarcosa. I read one of the recent posts indicating that Sarcosa is closed now. Can fellow mongers confirm this? May need to find another spot then for my upcoming visit.

Thanks,

Nona

[Beijing4987]

=Ikksman.

Why not ignore the trolls and bullshitters in the forum, or use more irony to make them think about a foolish post. The ignore list is not perfect but it helps. Let's remain positive and share the good stuff here.

BJ.

1547614]It was only relatively recently that you asked (on another forum),"What does KTV mean?". And now you are posturing as a know it all expert on mongering in China, that has been to Chine 'many times'! ROTFLMAO.

By the way, only a total f*g idiot would carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. I don't do this anywhere in the world! And often, I don't even carry a wallet at all. Just a local debit card (CMB) and some RMB, even when I am just out food shopping.

And it was me who said that safes are not secure. Read my post![/QUOTE]

[Ikksman]

[ S N I P ] Now if we are going to talk about stolen credit cards. Most guys carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. So using another card may not be an option. I also hide my extra cash and card in a special place in my personal belongings. Safes can be unreliable.

It was only relatively recently that you asked (on another forum),"What does KTV mean?". And now you are posturing as a know it all expert on mongering in China, that has been to Chine 'many times'! ROTFLMAO.

By the way, only a total f*g idiot would carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. I don't do this anywhere in the world! And often, I don't even carry a wallet at all. Just a local debit card (CMB) and some RMB, even when I am just out food shopping.

And it was me who said that safes are not secure. Read my post!

[TomSf]

I was a bit worried about Shanghai. First, it does not have a real mongering reputation, and secondly, there is a well publicized crack down underway. But for a casual mongerer like myself, it turned out OK.

When I arrived the other night, I was taking out cash from the ATM at the Hilton when a pretty 25-35ish women asks me if I want a massage, Right in the lobby of the hotel. Long and short of the story, the massage turns out to be a quick BBBJ plus full BB sex: not GFE, but the BBBJ was excellent, and the sex was only because I could have gone on with the BBBJ another couple of hours. All in all, the experience was about 30 minutes, and set me back 600 RMB.

I then went to Manhattan, and after taking my time, picked a pinay for the night at 1500. The night was excellent, and to my surprise, she actually fulfilled her promise to give me a BBBJTCIM in the morning prior to leaving. This was a half hour effort on its own. She was a really nice girl, and the chemistry was excellent.

I had some girl friend sex the next night (4 times over a 20 h period with a 40 year old near-virgin. I don't mind pumping away in mish whenever I wish all night long, but I am too old to be teaching 40 year olds how to give a blow job, nor trying to convince them that there are other positions than mish). This was a Tagged girl, looking for a husband. I enjoyed the sex for what it was, but I am not going to marry her. Wives need to be able to give a blow job...

Forest,

Great review! The girl in you hotel that you banged without a condom. Did she even attempt to pull out a condom? The thing that amazed me when I was in Shanghai is how easy it is to meet girls in the hotels there. I actually was getting escort cards laid everyday in front of my hotel door everyday by the same company. By the way the escort company you called. The way it works is some manager just calls the girl and she shows up spending her own money to get to your hotel. It is just common courtesy to give her the taxi money to get back home if you don't like her. The girls almost never look like their picture. It was not clear to me did she end up giving you that BJ for 500 plus taxi?

[Member #4643]

i was a bit worried about shanghai. first, it does not have a real mongering reputation, and secondly, there is a well publicized crack down underway. but for a casual mongerer like myself, it turned out ok.

when i arrived the other night, i was taking out cash from the atm at the hilton when a pretty 25-35ish women asks me if i want a massage, right in the lobby of the hotel. long and short of the story, the massage turns out to be a quick bbbj plus full bb sex: not gfe, but the bbbj was excellent, and the sex was only because i could have gone on with the bbbj another couple of hours. all in all, the experience was about 30 minutes, and set me back 600 rmb.

i then went to manhattan, and after taking my time, picked a pinay for the night at 1500. the night was excellent, and to my surprise, she actually fulfilled her promise to give me a bbbjtcim in the morning prior to leaving. this was a half hour effort on its own. she was a really nice girl, and the chemistry was excellent.

i had some girl friend sex the next night (4 times over a 20 h period with a 40 year old near-virgin. i don't mind pumping away in mish whenever i wish all night long, but i am too old to be teaching 40 year olds how to give a blow job, nor trying to convince them that there are other positions than mish). this was a tagged girl, looking for a husband. i enjoyed the sex for what it was, but i am not going to marry her. wives need to be able to give a blow job.

i left shanghai for a night and then returned for my last night. i went to the shanghai hotel behind the hilton. damn, i cannot believe i did not stay there!!! it would have been the perfect hotel. first off, there is a massage set up in the lobby at nights. a gorgeous woman stands there from about 6 pm on to sell you "massage with sex" for 600 rmb ("includes blow job no condom"). i guess the woman gives you a "massage" and a bbbj. always a nice way to start the evening. anyways, i did not take the lobby girl, but i did go to the sauna on the second floor. it was an interesting cultural experience.

first off, there is almost no english spoken. i had never been to a sauna, and had no idea how things worked. i paid for an hour and 40 minutes of something- not certain what. i undressed, with the help of two young men. its odd, in my view, to have a 20 yo guy help me off with my socks and boxer shorts. then i took a dip in the enormous hot tub until i was sweaty and a guy, mid 30s and muscular, motioned me out. he said something to me, and i ended up on a massage table. he had a wet towel and ladled some hot water on me and then rubbed me down very hard, essentially exfoliating my skin. he even showed me the epidermis which he had managed to separate from my body ( greyish plug). then i flipped and he did the front side. all the time, i am thinking,"did i go to a gay sauna? is this guy going to offer me a bj?" after exfoliating me, he rubbed me down in sea salt (little burn here) , and then took me to a shower. no gay sex was offered, but this little routine cost me 140 rmb. i guess this was an optional service. one that i did not appreciate, since rather than relax me, it had me very, very anxious that i had misread the board and needed to extricate myself. but, all is well that ends well- which it did!

i was then taken to a shower and after the shower the guys helped dry me (at this point, i was still uncertain about where everything was headed). then, a young man walked me to a room with about a dozen girls, all between 25 and 35, all with great tits in tight bikinis. i don't think any of them had natural tits, by the way, but i was sooooooo relieved that there were actually women on the menu, it hardly mattered.

i picked one, number 15, and she took me to a room with a shower table and a massage table. i took a shower table (i think i was already clean enough, but wtf) , and then she oiled me up and did a tit full body massage. now, my concern is that there is actually no sex offered, just rubbing and tits, perhaps because of the police crackdown. after about 10 minutes of this, i am moved to the massage table where similar massage techniques are employed, but there is no longer hot water. at this point, i figure i have to relax and enjoy the show. and, then everything changes!

she has a machine with hot water, and pours herself of cup of tea. she uses this tea to start sucking my nipples and (hallelujah) my penis. i get about a 15 minute hot bbbj, she slips on a condom and fucks me for 10 minutes until i come. then she spends 5 minutes washing my dick.

after the deed was done, i get a little massage, i take another shower, return to my locker room, where i am forced to tip the guys who helped me with my socks, pay 140 rmb for the skin scraping and sea salt rub and i am out! total bill: 780 rmb for the massage. 140 rmb for the scraping and 20 rmb to tip the guys who helped me dress. it was about 2 hours in total and cost about $150 usa. all in all an excellent experience, marred only by the fact that i do not speak a word of chinese, and hence i was confused about what was about to happen. if i did it again today, i would really enjoy myself a lot more (and i would skip the scraping- what a stupid idea!).

finally, i got back to my hotel and called an escort. she spoke great english, and we agreed upon 800 rmb for two hours. by the way, to get back to the hilton from the shanghai hotel required passing all sorts of opportunities- mostly people in the streets who were willing to send girls to my room. the escort arrives and its not the girl in the picture. she asks for 1800 rmb. i tell her to go and she says "sorry no english". she agrees to a lower number and then asks for 1000 rmb. i told her she could give me a quick bj and be gone for 500 rmb, and she asked for taxi (120 rmb). i gave her the taxi, which i should not have done since she was not the girl in the happymassagedotcom ad. but i was happy, in fact, to go to sleep at this point.

shanghai has lots of possibilities. more than enough to keep a guy active at night. maybe twice the price of bkk, but on the other hand, bkk was always more expensive in the end than i planned. and much less than the usa.

[AssLover945]

Dutch TV maker undercover.

Here you can see how massage is used to get you ripped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PePQLFM6Q

I didn't quite understand the last part, He signs the credit card for 18, 000++ yuan and then he goes out. Why does that lady in red jacket appear and what does she say? She returned 17000? I think I saw the customer's team talk to the card company? And they blocked the payment. Right? Then what happened?

[Ixcee]

Dutch TV maker undercover.

Here you can see how massage is used to get you ripped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PePQLFM6Q

This sort of problem has been reported in this forum on a number of occasions previously. It is not limited to any one sauna or massage place, or city. And typically, they do not take all your money, often just 100 or 200 RMB. It is a risk that you need to take into account when visiting unfamiliar places. Obviously, it is impractical to take your wallet with when having your massage etc.

I suspect the manager just wanted you to pay and leave to get rid of the problem. I wonder what would have happened if you threatened to call the Police. The establishment could not accuse you of having sex there, or they themselves would have been immediately arrested. Of course you have no proof of the theft, but the threat of police might just help.

Another point of interest is that safes in hotel rooms are not safe. Most are easily opened with the right piece of simple equipment. Instances of this are not uncommon. I had a friend who had his laptop stolen out of the safe. The hotel, of course, denied all responsibility and said it was impossible. Credit cards can be secreted in your hotel room in places safer than the safe! I put my laptop in a concealed padded pocket of my large suitcase which has a secure lock and no zip which is able to be cut open with a blade (happened to me in 2011, somewhere during a wonderful flight from Panama-Caracas-Paris-Bangkok-HK).

Actually, having a credit card stolen is no real problem if you have a reputable provider (such as HSBC). Simply cancel the card and authorise the provider to cancel all transactions after a certain date / time. Then use another credit card until you get your new card (usually within 24-48 hours). Be aware that some credit card providers (such as China Merchant Bank) will not provide an immediate replacement and want to post you the new card. So it is important that you have a back up card.

My suggestion is to visit places (and hotels) that have good reputations. In this way you help minimise your risk.

[Ikksman]

[ S N I P ] At the locker room I started to put on my clothes. First thing I noticed was that my wallet was in a different pocket. When I got to the counter to pay I noticed I was missing six hundred RMB from my wallet. When I go to any massage place I only take the massage fee plus 400 RMB. I told the manager that her staff had gone through my locker and stole some money. The only thing she kept saying was, did I have a credit card to pay their fee. She was not a bit concerned that someone had gone through my locker, she obviously knew about this happening. Only later did I think about what happened did I get very worried. Why did the thieves not take all my cash? Why did the manager kept insisting I use my credit card? I put a hold on my credit card and changed the pin number just in case. I suggest anyone going here just take enough to cover the massage fee and pay them before going to the lockers. And don't leave anything valuable in the lockers.

This sort of problem has been reported in this forum on a number of occasions previously. It is not limited to any one sauna or massage place, or city. And typically, they do not take all your money, often just 100 or 200 RMB. It is a risk that you need to take into account when visiting unfamiliar places. Obviously, it is impractical to take your wallet with when having your massage etc.

I suspect the manager just wanted you to pay and leave to get rid of the problem. I wonder what would have happened if you threatened to call the Police. The establishment could not accuse you of having sex there, or they themselves would have been immediately arrested. Of course you have no proof of the theft, but the threat of police might just help.

Another point of interest is that safes in hotel rooms are not safe. Most are easily opened with the right piece of simple equipment. Instances of this are not uncommon. I had a friend who had his laptop stolen out of the safe. The hotel, of course, denied all responsibility and said it was impossible. Credit cards can be secreted in your hotel room in places safer than the safe! I put my laptop in a concealed padded pocket of my large suitcase which has a secure lock and no zip which is able to be cut open with a blade (happened to me in 2011, somewhere during a wonderful flight from Panama-Caracas-Paris-Bangkok-HK).

Actually, having a credit card stolen is no real problem if you have a reputable provider (such as HSBC). Simply cancel the card and authorise the provider to cancel all transactions after a certain date/time. Then use another credit card until you get your new card (usually within 24-48 hours). Be aware that some credit card providers (such as China Merchant Bank) will not provide an immediate replacement and want to post you the new card. So it is important that you have a back up card.

My suggestion is to visit places (and hotels) that have good reputations. In this way you help minimise your risk.

[Waldeck2]

In my 6th year in Shanghai in establishments that provide sexual pleasures for white guys. Never had an issue with thievery. Had some poor performances. Had some over priced sessions. Had some poor chemistry. Never followed a tout. Male or female. Have had many enjoyable sessions. Have had repeats with the same provider. No thievery in any sauna.

[AfternoonFun]

Hey guys,

Just passing through in Shanghai for 24 hours and I want to have some fun today. I read through most of the stuff but will ask anyway to be sure. Could you tell me where I can go (starting now, I know its early but not in my time zone) to have a nice girl? If anybody can tell me the price and recommend me a place where the girl go full house (anal, facial, etc.) that will be the best! Thanks a lot and have a great day!

[TomSf]

More about the warning at the end. First my report. Everytime I am in Shanghai (about once a year for the last 5 years) I go to Si Yuan Massage as the girls are usually at least OK looking, the service is good and the price is not too expensive. This time the girl I got was by far the best looking girl I have ever seen at Si Yuan. Easily a 8 or 9. In the line up she looked pretty. I was a bit worried and I don't normally ask the girl this but I enquired about her age. She said she looked younger than she looked. Her pubic hair down below was very fine and sparse. I would guess she would be no more than 19. She was number 833 in the line up if anyone is interested. Breasts were a good size (C size I think) and shapely.

She washed me thoroughly with soap and then with her tits and mouth. Enthusiastic nuru massage. Pretty good BBBJ and tried to make me come but I knew if I blew my load now that would be over, so I held it. On the bed she did the hot / cold thing and then onto the main deed. Couldn't hold on for long as she was so gorgeous and tight. Everything was good up to this point...

Mecha Pilot,

Thanks for posting your experience. I am not surprised what happened to you. I am sure as soon as you complain their English gets non existent. I never feel safe putting all my stuff in a locker wallet ect. Especially in China when the staff has a habit of following you around the locker room. I would insist I take my wallet and if they give me problems I would just leave. I always leave my credit card in my hotel room or safe if I have one. If I get that stolen while I am in another country that is a problem.

[Mecha Pilot]

More about the warning at the end. First my report. Everytime I am in Shanghai (about once a year for the last 5 years) I go to Si Yuan Massage as the girls are usually at least OK looking, the service is good and the price is not too expensive. This time the girl I got was by far the best looking girl I have ever seen at Si Yuan. Easily a 8 or 9. In the line up she looked pretty. I was a bit worried and I don't normally ask the girl this but I enquired about her age. She said she looked younger than she looked. Her pubic hair down below was very fine and sparse. I would guess she would be no more than 19. She was number 833 in the line up if anyone is interested. Breasts were a good size (C size I think) and shapely.

She washed me thoroughly with soap and then with her tits and mouth. Enthusiastic nuru massage. Pretty good BBBJ and tried to make me come but I knew if I blew my load now that would be over, so I held it. On the bed she did the hot / cold thing and then onto the main deed. Couldn't hold on for long as she was so gorgeous and tight. Everything was good up to this point.

At the locker room I started to put on my clothes. First thing I noticed was that my wallet was in a different pocket. When I got to the counter to pay I noticed I was missing six hundred RMB from my wallet. When I go to any massage place I only take the massage fee plus 400 RMB. I told the manager that her staff had gone through my locker and stole some money. The only thing she kept saying was, did I have a credit card to pay their fee. She was not a bit concerned that someone had gone through my locker, she obviously knew about this happening. Only later did I think about what happened did I get very worried. Why did the thieves not take all my cash? Why did the manager kept insisting I use my credit card? I put a hold on my credit card and changed the pin number just in case. I suggest anyone going here just take enough to cover the massage fee and pay them before going to the lockers. And don't leave anything valuable in the lockers.