Jakarta

[Medanboy]

I haven't trawled on DIA for ages but use a few others presently which seem to do the job rather nicely. I don't put any BS in my profile and am pretty straightforward without being overly obvious. It is a very fine edge to walk on, but if you strike the right balance, you can get rewarded rather prettily. It is advantageous to have all the chatting tools to communicate: BBM (still very much preferred as they don't have to give you their phone number to chat) Whatsapp, Viber, Line, FB, Skype, Yahoo Messenger (although less utilised now) etc. As HHM mentioned, I do know normal women who go to CJs (usually on ladies night) for the band, but they are much in the minority there. Much as there are many part timers and FLs in CJs, BATS etc, they are still "commercial" and at times rather "hardcore".

Otherwise you could try the clubs in Kemang,

Just a brief aside regarding cost: not all women are looking for money, but the lower they are on the income scale, the more it is appreciated or expected. Most women I've met over dating websites only want genuine taxi money (100k rupiah or less) if they find they are short of funds and insulted if they are offered more. So if there is a subscription cost for these dating sites, there is a return on investment. At the same time, I have come across VERY ns. If you want more details, you can PM me.

MD II

Would you mind that I pm you? I used to use IC and then tryed DIA, seems a few girls I went out with noticed me on DIA as it is free entry. They seemed rather unhappy about thay. I couldn't even find them on DIA. Both said "a friend of them noticed my profile.". So I am looking for some other interesting sites; as you mentioned the subscription fee is in a way an investment. I'm a guy who usually goes for the smaller spa's and inhotel services as I feel awkward alone in the well known bars or spas for the usual enjoyment. On the other hand I adore the dating scene as it gives me personally more satisfaction.

[Thommy84]

Just a quick comment on my below reports:

I don't know how it happened, but it looks like the order in which they are posted has somehow gotten turned around. Should now be read starting with Number 3, then Number 2, then number 1. That's the correct chronological order and helps the transition in the reports be more understandable.

[Thommy84]

Tommy. Any reason you didn't go to Delta? Price?

Hi Traveler,

Only reason was that I was actually looking for more than a HJ (which is as far as I'm aware the only thing on the menu in Delta). It was still on the shortlist, since it simply offers solid above average quality from my experience and usually has very decent facilities for enjoying some pool / sauna time before or after the massage. During my overall trip I definitely plan to visit (a) Delta at least once. Maybe the newly opened one in Bali.

Since I haven't been in a while I can only estimate the cost. If other members know better, please correct me. I would estimate that for 3 sessions including HJ you should be at around 600k, so on the higher end for massage places in Jakarta.

If anyone else has any recommendations for my next stop in Jakarta, they are more than welcome.

[Traveler1234]

Tommy. Any reason you didn't go to Delta? Price?

[FrdMen]

Hi MD II and HHM,

Thanks for your information and nope, I'm not Hanibo.

I've been to DIA at your advice and it works perfectly. I made clear what I'm looking for (but not to explicit) and get enough reactions from girls that meet my expectation. They are educated (University graduated for Indonesian standard and some western standard) , talk English very good and are independent (checked with linked in or Facebook, they match and have good jobs e. G. Producer). I do have to select for at least 5 girls meet my expectations so I've hidden my profile at this time (good looking face and classy style seems to help.).

I'm with an Indonesian woman myself that I've met in Europe and her parents think bule is not good enough for their daughter. I've been with her for 15 years now, luckily she's not Chinese and sure not ugly. But for once I would like to go back to 15 years ago when I met her. That's why my standard remains educated.

I can use your advice well so thanks for it. I'll get back when I've been to Jakarta to update on the results. But I don't think there will be a lot of pictures over here, don't think the girls would want that. But I'll think of something.

Enough information for me, so the subject can be closed.

Thank for the serious replies.

Frd

[Mighty Spearsman]

First, this post from Fred showed up here on ISG eleven days ago:

Hi,

I'm looking for a well educated, good looking girl from 25. 35 years to have some fun together somewhere next June in Jakarta.

I'm well educated myself and good looking. 40+. No cheap working girls please.

Fred

Now, we have the following post from Hanibo:

Hi,

I will visit Jakarta in end of May. I'm looking for some fun with nice ladies between 25-35 years. Any recommendation where I can contact some girls?

I have no time in the evening to arrange some visits in the Bars, so I look for some possibilities to reach some girls by phone to arrange some session in my room.

Anybody have some suggestion whom I can contact?

Just curious. Are Fred and Hanibo one and the same person?

If not, then:

Dear Hanibo,

Since your post is virtually the same request as Fred's request, I strongly encourage you to read the posts below that were written in response to his request.

However, I'm confused by one of your sentences. Do you really have absolutely no time to visit any bars at all in the evening? Assuming that it's not because of laziness, there are several ways to find girls quickly and have some fun while doing so.

If you are staying at the Shangri-La Hotel, then just walk downstairs to the BATS bar. If you're staying at the Mulia Hotel, then just visit CJ's. Other hotels (I. E. Ritz-Carlton) have bars / clubs as well. In all of these places, you can easily find female company within a few minutes of entering.

You could also try your hotel's massage service, although that could get pricey.

If you're walking through a mall, keep an eye out for girls. You could easily swap cell numbers and / or arrange for the young lady to meet you later. You could also flirt with cashiers / counter girls / waitresses / etc. You'd be surprised at how easy it is to pick up girls if you're a friendly foreigner.

There are several dating sites, such as DIA, that you can access to line up girls before you even arrive - they've been discussed extensively here, RTFF.

Every man who visits Jakarta, no matter how busy they are, should make time to visit one of the saunas, especially early in their stay. My personal favorite is Kartika, which offers a body-to-body slippery massage (even better is a 2-girl session), but there are many other places that are also good: Alexis (high-end) , Malioboro (mid-to-high end) , Maribaya (lower end, but where almost every girl is in your age bracket) , Hotel Travel, Hotel Classic, Sumo Shiatsu (in the Kelapa Gading area) and many others. Get a session on your first day, then if you like the girl, get her cell number and arrange to have her meet you at your hotel after her shift is over, for either short-term or long-term. Most Jakarta girls would love to spend the night in a nice hotel bed, both for the money but also because it's a lot nicer than the shithole room they live in (and share with 2 or 3 other girls).

Or, contact Jakarta After Dark 2 and he can set everything up for you (for a fee, of course, but money well spent).

RTFF! And please don't overpay.

[Thommy84]

[Thommy84]

[Hanibo]

Hi,

I will visit Jakarta in end of May. I'm looking for some fun with nice ladies between 25-35 years. Any recommandation where I can contact some girls?

I have no time in the evening to arrange some visits in the Bars, so I look for some possibilities to reach some girls by phone to arrange some session in my room.

Anybody have some suggestion whom I can contact?

[Master Diver II]

Hi,

I'm looking for a well educated, good looking girl from 25. 35 years to have some fun together somewhere next June in Jakarta.

I'm well educated myself and good looking. 40+. No cheap working girls please.

Fred

Ok Frd, I'll give this a shot as HHM did earlier. He's both right and wrong in some aspects so I'll try and clear this up and answer the best that I can, as it looks like you're looking more in my area of the local market than most of the guys here. I am approaching my half century with a reasonable amount of resistance both physically and mentally, so we're probably not that far apart. Perhaps a modicum less good looking than yourself, but I manage.

HHM is correct that there are distinct layers in Indonesian society, but like anywhere else, there are plenty of grey areas. The extremely snobby and exclusive families are in the topmost tier and very particular whom they go out with. However, there will always be women (even at this level) looking for fun, but VERY DISCRETE fun. That's an area you might be able to exploit, as they do look for foreign men so there's little chance of news leaking out. The difficulty is in meeting them, as they are extremely cliquish when out and about in town, and paranoid that they may be spotted by someone else. Your best chance is if they are going around with the their gay friend shopping or in the clubs. Your approach should be through him; nonetheless it isn't easy. That doesn't even cover the way they get to your hotel room if they finally decide they like you.

If however you aim a little bit lower, you can find all sorts of women in this target age group who are well educated and much more open to meet. They can be anyone from office workers to doctors, lawyers or bankers. Since you have time, do join some of the dating websites and set up a profile. HHM has suggested DIA but there are many others much more preferable to my eyes. I haven't trawled on DIA for ages but use a few others presently which seem to do the job rather nicely. I don't put any BS in my profile and am pretty straightforward without being overly obvious. It is a very fine edge to walk on, but if you strike the right balance, you can get rewarded rather prettily. It is advantageous to have all the chatting tools to communicate: BBM (still very much preferred as they don't have to give you their phone number to chat) Whatsapp, Viber, Line, FB, Skype, Yahoo Messenger (although less utilised now) etc. As HHM mentioned, I do know normal women who go to CJs (usually on ladies night) for the band, but they are much in the minority there. Much as there are many part timers and FLs in CJs, BATS etc, they are still "commercial" and at times rather "hardcore".

Otherwise you could try the clubs in Kemang, go with a wingman, get a bottle and do be generous with drinks. You never know whom you may land. HHM is correct regarding some of those other bars, but as he said it's tough to do it alone. See if anyone else is around when you're going and try and form a group. Alternatively, go and befriend a gay guy and take him out for drinks with you. It sounds weird but they can much more easily approach women than you can. I can also remember a few times where the girl I was meeting brought a couple of gay friends with her; once you pass their approval, they might disappear and leave you with her. It's much more common than you may think, but also very useful once you have knowledge of how it all works.

Just a brief aside regarding cost: not all women are looking for money, but the lower they are on the income scale, the more it is appreciated or expected. Most women I've met over dating websites only want genuine taxi money (100k rupiah or less) if they find they are short of funds and insulted if they are offered more. So if there is a subscription cost for these dating sites, there is a return on investment. At the same time, I have come across VERY "commercial" women on the same sites, but you can tell that within the first exchange of messages as they are normally pretty upfront. You can also tell from their profiles as well if you read between the lines. It would probably also make sense to subscribe here too (if you haven't already) so you can communicate directly with other members.

Incidentally Ramadhan (fasting month) starts about 28th June for about 30 days. It will definitely be a lot more difficult during this period as there will be restrictions on bars opening, especially on certain dates. Your initial query was rather naive and totally out of the general understanding of this forum, which is why you got so much stick. Most of us shot a few FRs out about our local areas before we asked questions. There is plenty of information out there if you really try and get through it. There is a forum search function to narrow it down, but I also realise that you still have a lot to wade through - but then again, plenty of us have gone to a lot of trouble to write FRs; since it is a whole lot slower writing all of this than it is to read it, we really would appreciate you taking the trouble to peruse through our various compositions. If you want more details, you can PM me.

MD II

[Pez612]

The figure I had in my head was 500k, I must be a stingy bastard.

Chatting online so will send a pic and float the figure and see what happens. Will let you know in a few days. Thanks all!

A few days and no email. I guess I'm too cheap at 500k. Will try DIA soon to see what happens, but have a feeling ill just pickup on arrival. Will spend a couple of evenings in kuta before renting a car and heading north.

[Smoothy]

No cheap working girls please.

No cheap working girls? What's life worth living without that?

[MasBule]

Hi FrdMen,

If you want to get some contacts of good girls, before you arrive, then I think you will really struggle.

Your best bet in my opinion is DIA website. But you got to make it very clear in your profile that you are looking for someone to show you around and have dinner with only. You will get a millions hits from the Philippines no matter what you say.

Other than that, if you really want educated classy women, you had better be a good looking, classy looking dude. Otherwise the classy women, who have their own money won't even look at you. Its a fact that most of the wealthy educated english speaking Indo's or Chinese-Indo's have US, UK or Australian university educations. So if your a middle aged balding pot-bellied guy hoping to get one of them your living in a fantasy land.

Also, don't underestimate the fact that many classy and educated Indo's but especially Indo-Chinese are racist and see many white guys as poor in comparison, slobs, unattractive. The lots of looks you were getting would have not been from this group. I hope I don't get flamed for this opinion, but theres a very big difference between the classes in Indo and in their eyes white expats are much lower down the scale.

Many would be shunned by their families and friends for even dating a white guy. This is especially true of the Chinese.

Anyway. Back on topic. Without contacts, who can introduce you to some classy chicks in nightclubs, and you sit at their table. You will struggle. Dragonfly, Blowfish, Immigrant, Colleseum etc etc have a system where you pay for a table, and then you have to order bottles of liqour up to that level. The best positions are the sofa, can be 5m ($550USD) and heading north these days, so if your with a group of friends and have a sofa booked women will come to you. This has been very successful for me, but you got to be in a group- can't do it alone.

The other option, is that there are normal women in the hooker bars as well. I once met and bedded a great fun-loving Doctor in CJ's. She was there cause she liked the band and didn't really like the dance scene like Colosseum etc. So it is possible, but its pretty rare and you might have to go through alot to find them.

My final advice to you is this; most of the working girls in these bars aren't really working girls IMHO. They are opportunists, they go out, find a guy to buy them drinks, have a great time and sometimes they go home with a guy, usually are great in bed and love to have sex, always give GFE (Indo chicks are some of the best lovers in the world). They work days jobs and might do this once or twice a week. Okay so they might want a little cash to help out. Why not. Its very very different from a girl from classic hotel doing 8 guys a night, who speaks no english and is a starfish in the sack.

Good luck with it, this is my serious answer now. I wouldn't be so against paying for it if its a quality time and you really have some fun in the process. Remember minimum wage in Jakarta isat300usd a month, so you can't blame them. Even the girls who have days jobs earning 10m / mth, an extra 1m goes along way.

HHM

Hi all,

I hoped this is where you could get to meet some girls before going to Jakarta. Been to Indonesia but with family and had lot's of attention, but now going on my own it would be great to have some contacts in advance. Now it seems all sites only lead me to a group of males (like this one) or I'm loaded with requests to get married which is not what I had in mind.

I know it's hard because I don't want a working girl and pay after all is done because it doesn't feel right for me. But meeting a girl who likes to have some fun and a good time and doesn't ask for money before, it's nice to spoil her with thing while being there. I read places like Red Square are great, but I wonder if there's any experience with you guys. And. How can you recognize between working girl and somebody just looking for fun. I've never been with a girl this way, but you have to try before you die.

Thanks, hope for somewhat more serious reply.

[Member #4410]

Hi guys,

Trying to get my senior status with 25 posts, so here's just some random comments on blokm from my experiences of late;

<SNIP

Mat, you get senior status by buying a subscription for US$ 25. When you have done that you can send and receive PM's and have a look at all the posted photograps.

Regards,

Ko

[FrdMen]

Hi Fred,

Welcome to the forum, and I hope you find what your looking for.

One place that immediately springs to mind is the streets around Taman Lawang, on jalan Sumenep, Menteng, central jakarta. Its a short walk from the main hotels around the famous roundabout fountain.

Some very nice girls there who fit your criteria.

Good luck with it and please post your 'report' afterwards.

Hhm

Hi all,

Thanks and I'm flabbergasted with the great replies. I don't have to contact it will be done, I'm send to the transsexual places and after that I'm invited to get the report over here with of course is what I was really looking for in the first place. So this must be heaven, so many friends trying to help me.

So ok, guess I didn't get the forum quite. I hoped this is where you could get to meet some girls before going to Jakarta. Been to Indonesia but with family and had lot's of attention, but now going on my own it would be great to have some contacts in advance. Now it seems all sites only lead me to a group of males (like this one) or I'm loaded with requests to get married which is not what I had in mind.

I know it's hard because I don't want a working girl and pay after all is done because it doesn't feel right for me. But meeting a girl who likes to have some fun and a good time and doesn't ask for money before, it's nice to spoil her with thing while being there. I read places like Red Square are great, but I wonder if there's any experience with you guys. And. How can you recognize between working girl and somebody just looking for fun. I've never been with a girl this way, but you have to try before you die.

Thanks, hope for somewhat more serious reply.