Prague

[Patranov]

I only can think about one thing!!

http://youtu.be/uPZNgGtS8-4

All in good fun!!!

[Manny51]

I think it would be good for "Johns" to participate in such a forum if it existed. If the working girls know more about what their clients think, then they might provide better service. And those who disagree would not have to read what the Johns say.

I guarantee you that if such a forum existed that the girls would think differently. And if you are a sensible guy speaking honestly, I know you know that's true.

Its habitual for people to intrude on other people's privacy, yet insist on having their own privacy respected.

Look, they can be members of the forum, and can read whatever they want. But if they are going to make posts and make comments to people, they should tread lightly. They are the visitors here.

To Oneminuteboy; sorry about having the conversation steered this way. But I do think that it is an important topic. Having too much input from women on the forum DIRECTLY affects what people say and how people say it. The whole idea of this forum is for punters to discuss hobbying UNCENSORED and frankly. Guys aren't going to post honest and frank field reports if they think that girls are reading it and will get mad.

[Oneminuteboy]

Can we get back on subject and post reports rather than having discussions.

[Letni]

Gee, sorry to disappoint you. My feelings are hurt.

The fact that you can read her stuff and stand up for you makes you suckers. Anybody can see that.

"Regards".

I did not say I read her stuff -- in fact I did not. I am only defending her right to say whatever she wants to say. It does not mean that I necessarily agree with what she wrote. This is a free forum and we can only gain by seeing the perspective of providers. It has nothing to do with taking sides with them or agreeing with what they say.

[Letni]

So what do you think of my proposed scenario? What if there was a forum where working girls went to talk about life in the trade, which bosses treated them well and which didn't, places to work where the guys are nicer, etc. What if some john went on the website criticizing the girls and their comments. Do you think that he has the right to be there and say what he wants? Or do you think that the ladies are entitled to have their personal space for uncensored discussion?

Go back and read that posting where Carolina criticizes the other guys post. Its not subtle.

And as for the idiot "gent" who said that I don't have to read her comments, that he should just not read mine and shut his mouth. Any guy who doesn't have his dick in a box can see what I am talking about.

I think it would be good for "Johns" to participate in such a forum if it existed. If the working girls know more about what their clients think, then they might provide better service. And those who disagree would not have to read what the Johns say.

[Rjsss212]

So what do you think of my proposed scenario?

How about this scenario. Post some useful info on going somewhere and actually getting laid. No more questions, no more sophomoric posts.

[Bobo.fr]

But Manny, you don't have to read the posts made by the very few women present at the Czech forum so why don't you give it a rest. I can't recall any complaints before and Carolina, for example, has been here for many years. How about you, have you provided anything significant to this forum? Hmm, let me think, just requests for information, complaints about rates, reviews and a number of useless comments. You had the chance now after your visit in Prague but your report in the info section was very disappointing.

Regards,

MP.

Unfortunately, manny (LOL) spammers seem invading the forum!

In general, spammers are not really looking for answers or true discussions but prefer launching topics and polemics to generate as many (polemical) posts as possible: let's stop answering to spammers, especially agressive (but do unagressive spammers exist ?) spammers with their own "subtle" vocabulary !

[Manny51]

I personally think it is great that providers participate and I only wish that more would do so. It seems to me that clients / users can only benefit from hearing what providers have to say. Those, who have a different opinion do not have to read what they write. It is a free forum and nobody forces anyone to read what they do not want to read. It would be a pity if providers stopped participating only because a couple of clients have a negative view, which does not reflect the majority. And since users / clients use nicks they can continue to be "blunt" in what they write and they need not censor their views just because some providers might read what they write. In fact, I think it is positive that providers read what users write, because it encourages them to improve their services, if they know what users complain about.

So what do you think of my proposed scenario? What if there was a forum where working girls went to talk about life in the trade, which bosses treated them well and which didn't, places to work where the guys are nicer, etc. What if some john went on the website criticizing the girls and their comments. Do you think that he has the right to be there and say what he wants? Or do you think that the ladies are entitled to have their personal space for uncensored discussion?

Go back and read that posting where Carolina criticizes the other guys post. Its not subtle.

And as for the idiot "gent" who said that I don't have to read her comments, that he should just not read mine and shut his mouth. Any guy who doesn't have his dick in a box can see what I am talking about.

[Manny51]

But Manny, you don't have to read the posts made by the very few women present at the Czech forum so why don't you give it a rest. I can't recall any complaints before and Carolina, for example, has been here for many years. How about you, have you provided anything significant to this forum? Hmm, let me think, just requests for information, complaints about rates, reviews and a number of useless comments. You had the chance now after your visit in Prague but your report in the info section was very disappointing.

Regards,

MP.

Gee, sorry to disappoint you. My feelings are hurt.

The fact that you can read her stuff and stand up for you makes you suckers. Anybody can see that.

"Regards".

[Letni]

I personally think it is great that providers participate and I only wish that more would do so. It seems to me that clients / users can only benefit from hearing what providers have to say. Those, who have a different opinion do not have to read what they write. It is a free forum and nobody forces anyone to read what they do not want to read. It would be a pity if providers stopped participating only because a couple of clients have a negative view, which does not reflect the majority. And since users / clients use nicks they can continue to be "blunt" in what they write and they need not censor their views just because some providers might read what they write. In fact, I think it is positive that providers read what users write, because it encourages them to improve their services, if they know what users complain about.

[Member #4231]

Let's end this non sense here.

Honestly speaking, I never felt ISG forum to be community safe haven, pure gentlemen club or any kind of similar Holy Grail for punters. For myself, this was always the place where I went for a chit chat talk, news, gossips and to greet the users I know. What I do like on this forum is that it is people friendly. People come and leave, not matter if they have things to say or not, no hard feelings. Quite like a pub. But for sure I would not think that being an ISG member is such a serious matter as it seems to matter to you. That is maybe the mayor difference between us and why we do not understand each other.

Anyway. I won't going to participate on spamming this forum with this topic anymore. If you take this forum so serious, you should do it the same as this discussion of us is for sure bothering for the other members.

Peace.

Carolina Aurora.

[Corinthian]

Look at your own quote #5833. Just scroll down the page right now. You may be right, but its not your place to tell him off. The only reason he is voicing his frustration is because he feels that he is venting to other punters. He shouldn't have to censor his thoughts in what should be a community safe haven.

Yes, he should not have to censor his thoughts. However, Alymod's original statement was "but now I see that she does that primarily only for the money not to appease men needs. It's up to you guys. ".

I guess you are talking about this in terms of principle, and I can follow you on that to a certain degree. I. e, something like that anyone here should be able to voice their opinion about escorts, withoout being told off by the same escorts for voicing his opinion. Or something like that.

But on the other hand, what is he venting?

I would assume that most people in this forum have no problems with escorts actually taking payment for their time and services, athough I interpret Alymod to the effect that he does. Or at least, that escorts should not have payment as their primary objective in their escorting business. I may be wrong, of course. But if that is the case, I really can't see any problem with Carolina pointing out, from her point of view as an escort, that she and others, like Melissa, actually _work_ as escorts and therefore expect payment for their time and services. And that she's not an escort primarily "to appease men's needs", and that she's primarily in it for the money (I don't know if she is, so correct me if I am wrong, Carolina).

I for one certainly don't work "to appease or please my boss". I work primarily for my salary, the challenges my work presents me with and so on. And in that process, if I do a good job, I will most of the time also please my boss. I guess there's a similar kind of logic that applies to escorts; they work by selling their time and services. And if their services are experienced as good, that may or may not justify their fees / rates. And the opinions on that will of course differ. But to think that escorts are not primarily working as escorts for payment seems a bit strange to me. Especially in a forum where most of the discussions are about paid sexual encounters. And it seems fair to point that out. So, if Carolina, by nature of her profession, is not "allowed" to point that out, then I will. Because, at least to me, it seems strange to expect of an escort that she should not be primarily interested in her payment / donation / fee for the work she does.

Having said that, I interpret your comments to Melissa in much the same way that Rubberyman did. "If you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen", as the Americans say. That is to say, yes there will be frank and uncensored discussions here regarding escorts and girls in privates. That is the nature of this forum. And yes, it is perhaps a waste of energy to get upset about these discussions. Especially if it is a matter of taste / opinions regarding a girl's "quality of services", looks / appearance and so on, simply because these things are subjective. However, Melissa and others should certainly be more than welcome to post their opinions or to "defend themselves" in cases where someone are making up things that simply are not true. I am not saying Alymod did that, I am talking generally. On a side-note, I seem to recall Carolina stepping in to point out some incorrect comments made about another escort whose name I don't remember, when someone said she no longer was working as an independent, but in a private. Which is very commendable, in my opinion.

That said, it is also in the nature of this forum for uncensored and sometimes (very) graphic descriptions of sexual acts, and I guess no one, including escorts, should expect that to change. Even if they might feel that to be "unfit for public discussion" or something like that. So that means that escort X will, from time to time, have to expect to read things like "X does awesome rimming and ass-to-mouth, likes extremely rough sex and is generally delightfully depraved" or whatever. You get the idea. Also, an escort will from time to read comments about her rates. Although I personally find such discussions uninteresting, they will come up from time to time. And the girls can't stop or change that. Nor should they. Because these are opinions. And this forum serves to exchange opinions and tell others about our experiences with girls.

Having read this forum for some years, I do know that many users are, or at least have been, generally welcoming to both Carolina and Melissa (myself included) - precisely because they provide a different perspective. I seem to recall there was also someone saying that it would be nice to get Jenna on board as well. Although it could have been someone else then Jenna, I can't remember. Also, as far as I can remember, especially Carolina has been very "quiet" in this forum, dropping in from time to time to express her thoughts and opinions. She has not been "intrusive" in any war, I would say. Nor has she been advertising either, as far as I can remember. Finally, if my memory serves me correct, some of the comments regarding Melissa's fees were directed to her directly as questions, should she then not be allowed to have her say? To answer those questions?

Also, for the sake of clarity, Melissa and Carolina; I hope you understand that I am _not_ saying that you should not be allowed to speak in this forum. I certainly welcome both of you here and I read your comments with interest. I am only saying something like "choose your battles", if you see what I mean. I guess that's what Rubberyman also meant to say, although I don't want to put words in his mouth.

On a personal note, I hope to meet with both Carolina and Melissa later this summer (I will be in touch, Melissa and Carolina). And hopefully my time with them will be so enjoyable that I write my thoughts on that in this forum afterwards. Because, in my humble opinion, primarily this forum should be about "reports", not arguing amongst ourselves.

My 5 koruna.

[M. Python]

I have noticed more female presence on the Prague forum than any other locale. Women's input has a subtle, and sometimes open, blunting, "political correctness" effect on the discussion. Read this forum back a few months and you will see what I mean.

I know this sounds rude, but I don't think that women providers should be here. Think about the reverse example if men entered a forum about working girls, and you see what I mean. Even if the man was very polite, and only voiced admonishments once in a while, you would probably tell him to get out. Be honest.

You may not believe this, but if you knew me, you would see that I am a pretty nice guy. But in regards to this topic, I am being forced to say things that are not polite, that are usually understood and not said so openly or frankly.

We may talk about food or transportation sometimes, but that conversation is incidental. This is not a travel blog. It is not a cocktail party. It is not a forum about the culture of sex around the world, etc. It is a forum for men about punting. It was designed that way, and the only reason why the conversation wanders is because it has become so popular, and there are lots of people on it. Although no one ever likes to exclude people, the only reason why the exclusion of working girls from the forum is not in the "Terms of Conditions" is that it is impossible to enforce. This is an anonymous forum. You can be anyone online.

But Manny, you don't have to read the posts made by the very few women present at the Czech forum so why don't you give it a rest. I can't recall any complaints before and Carolina, for example, has been here for many years. How about you, have you provided anything significant to this forum? Hmm, let me think, just requests for information, complaints about rates, reviews and a number of useless comments. You had the chance now after your visit in Prague but your report in the info section was very disappointing.

Regards,

MP.

[Manny51]

Hi there,

I do definitely see your point of view but I did not notice any girl telling ISG members what they should or shouldn't think. If you misunderstood my words in sense that I do trying to change somebody's opinions or mind, please note that this is not and was not my intention.

Carolina Aurora.

Look at your own quote #5833. Just scroll down the page right now. You may be right, but its not your place to tell him off. The only reason he is voicing his frustration is because he feels that he is venting to other punters. He shouldn't have to censor his thoughts in what should be a community safe haven.

[Manny51]

Hi there,

I do definitely see your point of view but I did not notice any girl telling ISG members what they should or shouldn't think. If you misunderstood my words in sense that I do trying to change somebody's opinions or mind, please note that this is not and was not my intention.

All I saying is that both the sides can give information valuable for this forum. I am member on this forum since 2005/2006 and nobody have been complaining yet about my presence in here. If I would receive the request from the ISG members or the moderators to stop to participate in here, I would do with no complain. I see this forum to be named Prague and same as folks discuss girls they do also discuss hotels, public transport and so on. Who on the earth can give a better advice or information than the locals?

I do of course know about the "classified" section of the forum but that is primary created for ladies adverts, not for the discussion itself. To fill out a "classified" section with out of topic posts also makes no sense to me.

Just to say, I have been carefully reading the Terms and Conditions of ISG again and according to those TaC there is nothing pointing against ladies posting in here.

Overall we are quite out of topic in here don't you think? So let's close this topic for once. If my disappearance from this forum is what makes the locals happy I might do it of course. I will go to repeat myself again, I am not here to argue but to discuss.

Carolina Aurora.

I have noticed more female presence on the Prague forum than any other locale. Women's input has a subtle, and sometimes open, blunting, "political correctness" effect on the discussion. Read this forum back a few months and you will see what I mean.

I know this sounds rude, but I don't think that women providers should be here. Think about the reverse example if men entered a forum about working girls, and you see what I mean. Even if the man was very polite, and only voiced admonishments once in a while, you would probably tell him to get out. Be honest.

You may not believe this, but if you knew me, you would see that I am a pretty nice guy. But in regards to this topic, I am being forced to say things that are not polite, that are usually understood and not said so openly or frankly.

We may talk about food or transportation sometimes, but that conversation is incidental. This is not a travel blog. It is not a cocktail party. It is not a forum about the culture of sex around the world, etc. It is a forum for men about punting. It was designed that way, and the only reason why the conversation wanders is because it has become so popular, and there are lots of people on it. Although no one ever likes to exclude people, the only reason why the exclusion of working girls from the forum is not in the "Terms of Conditions" is that it is impossible to enforce. This is an anonymous forum. You can be anyone online.