Angeles City

[Key Master]

I would not recommend the Philippines if you take rejections badly. Though overall I'm having a good time. But If if I weren't here and knew what my experience would be like, I would make plans for other countries.

I think I'm going to leave early, the rejections are getting to me. But its like this at most bars in the Philippines. Plus the convenience of the location. So I'm on the Fence with this one.

Hey Tyrion,

Sorry to hear it's not really working out for you in Angeles. It is a different scene there compared a lot of the other monger scenes. Filipinas are also very different and it truly takes awhile to even come close to remotely figuring them out. If you are still there I have some recommendations. If it's going really that bad for you and you can afford it, consider going back to Manila / Makati. That Burgos area can have some pretty good looking women and they can also be a lot more professional if that works for you. The costs are quite a bit higher but maybe that might work better for you.

The rejection thing is something that goes back to understanding them more. I'm not of the mode that they are prostitutes and they should be like this and that. It's truly not that way for the majority of the ones working in AC. You said you are a big guy, but based on your measurements you gave earlier you don't sound that big. But maybe you are more imposing in person. If someone there tells you short time only, they actually just may be a little scared of you because you look big to them and maybe your penis may be large. They may be scared you are going to knock the bottom out of them. What I'm getting at, is sometimes they say short time because they want to go but not sure of these other fears they have. Again, that prostitute thing doesn't come into play here in my argument. They may change their mind about short time after the first round. You'll find more romantics working in Angeles, where if you go to Burgos, you'll find more professional women who are more worried about the money in a more prostitute sort of way. I'm not saying all are like that in Burgos, just my experience of being around there. I've definitely had some great finds there but being with them over time, the true person comes out over there. Same with a place like EDSA in Manila, but I prefer the Burgos women over the EDSA women any time.

[Dg8787]

He could be shacked up in his hotel room busy with someone who didn't reject him? Thats what I go to AC for Room service please!

That was what I was alluding to. It is funny how all of a sudden one girl can change your whole vacation!

[Streetlooker]

Must have fell in a big wet hole! MIA for a few days now.

He could be shacked up in his hotel room busy with someone who didn't reject him? Thats what I go to AC for Room service please!

[Dg8787]

Must have fell in a big wet hole! MIA for a few days now.

[Streetlooker]

But his argument was that guys should not wear them because they do not take care of their feet, which goes along with proper grooming. And not grooming well is one of the arguments as to why hookers are telling guys no.

Makes them half a homo wearing women's shoes.

[Robbaf]

Todays field report.

Hit the bikini contest at Score Birds with Captain Munch afterwards we check out tropix but find nothing there to our liking next we try Viking bar I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl but she is reserved and not very talkative and does not appear to want to be with me despite my best efforts to be polite and entertaining to her, I bring up the subject of bar fine and she says no immediately with out hesitation says she is tired. Next we hit equis and again I buy a drink for what I consider to be the hottest girl in the bar, one again I try to be entertaining polite and put on my best charm offensive, this time I seem to be making some head way and she agrees to let me bar fine her, she is laying next to me now as I write this, extremely attractive but a bit of an ice princess and despite being told yes in the bar there is no BJ.

It only took me three bars and two girls before I found one that would let me bar fine her. Chris

IHO one of the biggest mistakes some mongers make is choosing the girl. When I go in the bar I order a drink and joke around with the waitress and girls on stage begging for drinks or offering their friends and wait for the eye contact. Your percentage of girls who will go out with you will be better if you let the girl pick you.

[Socker]

I agree with you Socker that the raids have dampened down things a tad. Remember the body paint dancers from a few years ago and even just last year I was still getting molested in the smaller bars by super friendly girls trying to convince me to barfine them. That is still going on in Burgos Street bars by the way.

Furthermore, I saw less punters and less young girls in AC circa April 2014 than on previous trips. Still, I saw plenty of more than willing and available girls. Less girls affects the numerator of the equation and less punters affects the denominator of the equation ie the ratio of bar girls to customers. In Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) for example, which is a bar I like to hunt in, there were less girls than previous years and less customers too so the ratio was still a healthy 40 girls to 10 customers or 4:1 at 9:30 pm right before one of the Daddy shows. Yes they used to have many more girls. Thinking back to only a year ago, I remember there being 60 girls or more dancing on the double decker stage. With the dwindling customer base, I wonder how long Grand Pharaoh can stay in business. But even now, after all the raids, there were still plenty of lookers in this bar. This trip I barfined a very pretty Tequila girl for 3200 p LT. As I was walking out with my girl, one of the Cultural Dancers touched my arm and said why not me?

In Shipwrecked, a completely different kind of bar, I talked to the mamasan. I was looking for my two favorite cousins that I met there in 2013. I had lost contact with the girls around the time of the big typhoon last summer. The mama said the girls had gone home to their province. I hope the girls are doing ok. She then tried to fix me up with a 19 year old spinner that looked very similar to one of my cousins. Failing that, she then tried fixing me up with a 22 year old and then a large breasted 24 year old. The point being there were a number of doable friendly girls inside this small bar and plenty of good times just waiting to happen.

Talking about percentages, I think it is insightful to compare AC with other watering holes. I never saw a time when 85% of the bar girls were pretty. Not in AC, not in Bangkok, and not in Pattaya. Maybe I am a tough grader, but I am happy with a bar if 10% to 15% are the girls are hot.

On the same 2014 trip I was in Bangkok and I went to Crazy House Go Go in Cowboy for example. There must have been around 40 girls spit into two dance groups. !5% of the girls were hot, hot in my book. That translates into around 6 girls that I thought were genuine lookers with really good bodies. I think that stat made the place great.

On the same 2014 trip I visited Phnom Penh. In Rose Bar and Oasis bar, my two favorite PP hostess bars, the ratio of lookers was low. There were at best only 2 or 3 girls in each bar that I considered attractive and doable. The one girl I really dug in Oasis was a real hot firecracker, but she would not barfine. No shit! I came in every night to have a few Tequila shots with her and try to win her over. We fooled around and things got pretty steamy in the bar, but she would not barfine. Around 11:30 pm every night I would say goodbye to her and head over to Nagaworld to hook up with very good looking Khmer FL's. The Darling Darling FL's were asking $100 for ST. There were at least 30 girls working the casino and many were very hot, roughly half of the girls there were more than doable.

I finished my trip in Makati. And I have to say Burgos Street girls are a lot of fun both inside the bars and in my hotel room. There are a ton of girls. Selection is pretty good especially in high end bars like Bottoms where the ratio was approximately 10 to 1 girls to customers and the number of attractive girls was high. I would say there were at least 6 girls in Bottoms that I would have loved to shag there. I found one of the best girls of my entire 7 week Asian trip in Bottoms. The price was 10 lady drinks barfine or 3900 p plus my girl wanted 4000 p ST which turned into 5000 p LT on the 2nd night.

My conclusion is AC is still ok. If you know the place than I am sure you can handle the dampening down affect and still have a great time. If you have never visited there, now may be your last opportunity to discover what it was all about. I don't know. Maybe the raids will decrease and things will pick up. Maybe not. Subic is still great! Girls are very friendly. Barfines almost universally 1500 p.

To be accurate and clear.

For my taste in AC, 2014,85% of the BGs are less than doable, 10% doable or better, 5% hot.

In 2010 (my first trip) 60% of the BGs were less than doable, 30% doable or better, 10% really hot.

Also I did not experience these percentages per bar. This estimate pertains to all the BGs in AC.

I walked into many bars and quickly turned around and left, no doables.

And lets remember for a decrepit 80 yr old monger they're all doable, w / many many stunners.

I view the scene as a 25 year old stud, I have the same standards and goals now as I had then. Find the hottest woman and have my way w / her. Period.

In AC it is near impossible to do that. In Makati it was much easy because the ladies want to make 3000 p per monger + percentage of barfine.

For me I will continue to go to AC and maybe finally venture towards Subic.

There is still no place like AC and for the price of 1 BG in Makati you can have 3 BGs in AC. That's why I want more AC.

Adios.

[Chris Long]

I believe the first criteria is looks for the dancers. I dress in semi-clubbing attire, shower, put on deodorant, and try to come up with cheerful conversations beefor I talk to the dancer.

The owners of the bars are running a business and not a charity. Despite the interests of the daprostitutesont own the business. In most retail / service careers, you try to maxmize sales. The rest of the mogering universe use this mo. Del cause they understand that it is a business.

Yes the girls are human, but nature of the industry requires them to adhere to certain rules. Customers are paying from cash out of their pockets, so they can crticize the girls looks. The customers are usually people that can't get sex in normal society for whatever reason, so they seek prostitutes. So, The customers are usually undesirable in some form of way...

I have to agree with Tyrone on this AC is not the place to come to if you deal with rejection badly because you will get plenty of it here. Over all I have probably struck out 50% to 60% of the time but that means I have been successful 40% to 50% of the time and the pool of girls here is very large, when successful the girls have been in my opinion very attractive and almost all have given me super great sex.

Tonight I seemed to have broken my string of bad luck, went to the "who let the dogs out" weekly Sunday party with the doll house group and the girls surprisingly seemed somewhat friendly and smiling from the stage go figure. Next went to the new bar Nirvana and had an attractive waitress sit next to me she was friendly amicable bought her a lady drink made out with her she was willing to bar fine but could only do short time because she had to go to Manila early in the morning so I told her we would get together another night. Next stop walked by Camelot where a very attractive door girl was smiling and friendly to me so I took her inside bought her a lady drink she agreed to bar fine and is laying next to me now as I write this. I have always had pretty good luck out of Camelot and have always found there to be some attractive girls there. In the future I think I will devote more time to Camelot.

Tyrone if you are still in town join Captain Munch and myself at Kokomos we are there every day at 5 for a drink and a bite to eat we sit along the side over looking the street watching the street action, two older Caucasian men I will set my phone and camera in front of me so you will know it is us.

Chris

[Member #4698]

I clearly stated my opinion. That the raids have had a significent impact on the AC environment. There are A LOT LESS young dancers, 18,19. There are a lot less very pretty ladies and when you do find one. They are in demand, it is not a buyers market W / THEM.

It is a buyers market w / 85% of the BGs because 85% of the BGs are not pretty imo. Fours years ago before the big raid push by the USA there was eye candy everywhere. If you think it's the same now then that's good for you my friend. I don't think it's close to what it was 4 years ago.

I agree with you Socker that the raids have dampened down things a tad. Remember the body paint dancers from a few years ago and even just last year I was still getting molested in the smaller bars by super friendly girls trying to convince me to barfine them. That is still going on in Burgos Street bars by the way.

Furthermore, I saw less punters and less young girls in AC circa April 2014 than on previous trips. Still, I saw plenty of more than willing and available girls. Less girls affects the numerator of the equation and less punters affects the denominator of the equation ie the ratio of bar girls to customers. In Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile) for example, which is a bar I like to hunt in, there were less girls than previous years and less customers too so the ratio was still a healthy 40 girls to 10 customers or 4:1 at 9:30 pm right before one of the Daddy shows. Yes they used to have many more girls. Thinking back to only a year ago, I remember there being 60 girls or more dancing on the double decker stage. With the dwindling customer base, I wonder how long Grand Pharaoh can stay in business. But even now, after all the raids, there were still plenty of lookers in this bar. This trip I barfined a very pretty Tequila girl for 3200 p LT. As I was walking out with my girl, one of the Cultural Dancers touched my arm and said why not me?

In Shipwrecked, a completely different kind of bar, I talked to the mamasan. I was looking for my two favorite cousins that I met there in 2013. I had lost contact with the girls around the time of the big typhoon last summer. The mama said the girls had gone home to their province. I hope the girls are doing ok. She then tried to fix me up with a 19 year old spinner that looked very similar to one of my cousins. Failing that, she then tried fixing me up with a 22 year old and then a large breasted 24 year old. The point being there were a number of doable friendly girls inside this small bar and plenty of good times just waiting to happen.

Talking about percentages, I think it is insightful to compare AC with other watering holes. I never saw a time when 85% of the bar girls were pretty. Not in AC, not in Bangkok, and not in Pattaya. Maybe I am a tough grader, but I am happy with a bar if 10% to 15% are the girls are hot.

On the same 2014 trip I was in Bangkok and I went to Crazy House Go Go in Cowboy for example. There must have been around 40 girls spit into two dance groups. !5% of the girls were hot, hot in my book. That translates into around 6 girls that I thought were genuine lookers with really good bodies. I think that stat made the place great.

On the same 2014 trip I visited Phnom Penh. In Rose Bar and Oasis bar, my two favorite PP hostess bars, the ratio of lookers was low. There were at best only 2 or 3 girls in each bar that I considered attractive and doable. The one girl I really dug in Oasis was a real hot firecracker, but she would not barfine. No shit! I came in every night to have a few Tequila shots with her and try to win her over. We fooled around and things got pretty steamy in the bar, but she would not barfine. Around 11:30 pm every night I would say goodbye to her and head over to Nagaworld to hook up with very good looking Khmer FL's. The Darling Darling FL's were asking $100 for ST. There were at least 30 girls working the casino and many were very hot, roughly half of the girls there were more than doable.

I finished my trip in Makati. And I have to say Burgos Street girls are a lot of fun both inside the bars and in my hotel room. There are a ton of girls. Selection is pretty good especially in high end bars like Bottoms where the ratio was approximately 10 to 1 girls to customers and the number of attractive girls was high. I would say there were at least 6 girls in Bottoms that I would have loved to shag there. I found one of the best girls of my entire 7 week Asian trip in Bottoms. The price was 10 lady drinks barfine or 3900 p plus my girl wanted 4000 p ST which turned into 5000 p LT on the 2nd night.

My conclusion is AC is still ok. If you know the place than I am sure you can handle the dampening down affect and still have a great time. If you have never visited there, now may be your last opportunity to discover what it was all about. I don't know. Maybe the raids will decrease and things will pick up. Maybe not. Subic is still great! Girls are very friendly. Barfines almost universally 1500 p.

[Dg8787]

Can I ask the obvious questions?

1. How can you NOT take rejection as an insult? They are prostitutes. You are offering to pay them for sex. They take a look at you, and say No. (This is not an indictment of you personally. I am using the word "you" as a general term.).

2. Why would anyone want to visit AC if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? Is it because you are ALREADY there? Would you still recommend AC to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?

1. The rejection (s) are just a no from the girl (s). Plain and simple, she can say no just as I can say that I have no interest in her. The girls do not say it in an insulting manner. There was no insult. You assume there was an insult. Last week I was in Subic and hit the first bar. I have 3 criteria that has to be met with the girl; non-smoker, long time and new in the business. The first 8 girls turned me down for whatever reasons. Rejection after rejections. How did I feel? I felt like leaving for the next bar. As I got up to leave I noticed one girl who had been hiding behind the other girls. I had the waitress bring her down for my 3 questions. She answered affirmative to all 3 questions. Turns out this was her second night there and I was her first barfine. I spent the next 4 days with a wonderful, sweet and young 20 year old. Her body and looks were 8. 75. She was so new at it that she didn't even know the total rate. All she knew was she had to pay the bar 500 pesos. I explained to her the total BF was 1500 pesos and then she would get 1000 pesos. Along the 3rd day I got out of her, her purpose for working in the bar. Her father was pretty sick and needed some medical treatment for less than 10,000 pesos. People call these girls pros, prostitutes, hookers and other nasty names for what they do. In my eyes they could be called heroes for their commitment to their family. Do you really think they like doing this? Do you have any family member that would come to your rescue by doing whatever they had to do? Would you do that for a loved one? Back to your question. After a rejection, I pick myself back up and ask again. No different than the first high school dance where it all started.

2. I go back to AC because I do find beautiful girls there. I get over the no's pretty quickly, usually within 30 minutes I get a yes. All I can say is AC works for me.

[Socker]

I don't know what all this rejection talk is about. If you don't receive a positive "please talk to me, I want to be your EWR" look from a girl while she is dancing on stage, pass on her no matter how attractive she is. If the girls in a specific bar seem uninterested, leave that bar and go to another one. It is that simple. I am a man in Asia. I have a dick and a wallet (Have Gun Will Travel). That makes me an individual in high demand in these parts. I am the one doing the rejection. No lady drinks for standoffish uninterested girls. No lady drinks for unattractive girls. No drinks for me in bars populated with uninterested girls. Period.

I clearly stated my opinion. That the raids have had a significent impact on the AC environment. There are A LOT LESS young dancers, 18,19. There are a lot less very pretty ladies and when you do find one. They are in demand, it is not a buyers market W / THEM.

It is a buyers market w / 85% of the BGs because 85% of the BGs are not pretty imo. Fours years ago before the big raid push by the USA there was eye candy everywhere. If you think it's the same now then that's good for you my friend. I don't think it's close to what it was 4 years ago.

[Dg8787]

Its so funny how some guys on boards have been so pussy whipped by females in life that they are scared of their own shadow.

A prostitute is a prostitute, simple, look in the dictionary, a woman who sells herself for monetary gain even if its only once is a prostitute, full stop.

Yes to make some feel better about themselves they will claim, the girls are not pros, they are semi pros. Bargirls, gros,door girls / waitresses only, bullshit I say.

Its funny how up to a few years ago theses same prostitutes that ply their trade in angeles had older cousins / sisters / aunties / mothers who also worked in the same bar as the girls of now.

Guess what, there was no rejection, almost a hundred percent of bargirls barfined, no excuses, most not only barfined but stayed long time and were only too happy to dish out multiple pops as and when the punter wanted and guess what, they were a damn better looking and slimmer that the plain, chubby, princesses we are left with now.

Now according to some, we have to accept rejection, we have to dress in our finest, we have to bathe multiple times per day, we have to attend the gym so that we are not over weight, we have to be generous. We have to be kind, we have to be understanding etc etc.

I think that most guys who travel half way around the world at great expense do so to get laid by pretty, slim, girls, who for a short peace of her time gets rewarded handsomely, especially by pi terms, yes guys should wash, yes guys should change clothes, yes guys should not be so drunk they are abusive.

But at the end of the day, if punters have to do all of the things quoted by some members to get laid in angeles by very ordinary looking / chubby girls then most can save their time and expense and get a ordinary looking / chubby girl at home and mostly for free.

As I say pussy whipped guys will make up all the excuses in the world for the girls, these are the same guys that marry the first prostitute that opens her legs, buys her a house in her name, a business in her name, a car and her name, pays her monthly for her opening her legs a few times in a blue moon, and then when he is finally rejected by said ex prostitute and left skint, jumps of the 14th floor of his condo.
Sorry to be blunt but some one had to say it.

With the equal pyscho babble I would assume you had a close family member, ex-wife maybe current wife working as a working girl. There somebody had to sat it.

[Manny51]

Manny51,

You are all over this and other boards with your statement and insulting comment about girls you have never met! Yes there is a rejection factor. Yes there is a perceived beauty question. Yes there are many variables here. The loser is the one who never takes the risk and sits in the closet over mannylizing it.

When are you going dip your little toe into sometihing?

I asked the question honestly, in a non-insulting way. I also was agreeing with the opinion of other people talking about the same thing.

Why don't you just agree that you overreacted and be done with it? Trying to insult my reputation is just amateur.

[JimmyB21]

lol! you know, i tried to be diplomatic in my question. read it again. but you had to sink and try your hand at sarcastic condescension. fine. you asked for it.

first of all, you not only tried to insult me, but everyone else who has been talking about this whole rejection thing.

secondly, who i ever said i would feel anguish? that was a freudian slip on your part. i guess the rejections are starting to sting, and i touched a sore spot?

and third, you still didn't answer my questions.

you are just trying to rationalize getting repeatedly dumped by women that you are offering to pay for sex. so who is the loser?

that's you dg8787. the guy who gets rejected by hookers. you offer them money, they look you over, laugh at you and tell you to beat it.

hi manny,

i don't post here often, but i'm going to try and answer your question and in the hope of not starting an argument, will clearly state this is.

just my opinion:

1. how can you not take rejection as an insult? they are prostitutes. you are offering to pay them for sex.

i don't because firstly i'm a reasonably attractive dude and not a bad catch in most circles, yet some girls want to fuck me and some don't whether its a p4p situation or not.

secondly, in ac unlike places like thailand / macau / hk / etc there is little to no pressure from the bosses to go with customers. many girls in thailand / macau / china specifically have to go with a customer when requested or face retribution, the fact that a girl comes over to me and asks / agrees to go home with me is a (very tiny because i'm still paying usually) ego boost and ensures (mostly) that i am not paying 1-300 usd (depending on which of the above countries i'm in) for a useless / half-assed experience that "suddenly" gets cut short.

if she likes you shell be more into it, want to please and will only leave when you ask her to. don't get me wrong, if i get rejected (and it has happened) it gives me a small, dissapointed jerk to the gut, but i'm better for it and in the end; relieved i didn't waste my time and money (after i've had another drink.

2. why would anyone want to visit ac if 1) the girls are not as pretty anymore, and 2) they are turning you down? 3) is it because you are already there? 4) would you still recommend ac to guys who are trying to decide on a holiday spot?

1) i only started going there 2 years ago, so have no base for comparison. i also hear that there used to be no aids and major diseases and everyone in the world was fucking.

bareback with "no" consequences. i wasnt there for that, so can't go crying over spilt milk, same with ac. but like another poster i like different types of girls at different times.

there is a good variety of girls in pi some look chinese, some thai, some short and spinnery, i like the variety.

2) they are turning you down? as answered above; if you don't want to fuck me, i don't want to fuck you (well i do, because i'm a guy, and i have a penis. but i'm not going to waste my time) i have done it before in thailand with a girl or two i just really found amazingly beautiful and even though she wasn't enthusiastic before i bf'd her, i was tipsy / horny and did it anyway; the experiences were expensive, shitty, and i felt a bit rapey afterwards tbh. but to each his own.

3) i live in asia so have access to all the mongerhavens here. i go to ac because its ridiculously cheap, the attitude of the girls is alot friendlier, and i generally have a 60+% certainty that the girl i'm with likes me for more than just the $30 usd she is going to make off me. also english levels are better than most places, so i can actually have a conversation before and after the deed.

4) no, not really, its a monger spot, go bang, play golf, see subic if you need some "beach pics" for the so, and get some sleep during the day. but its cheap, the people are friendly, and if you don't do anything stupid (like go out with a $10,000 usd watch on at night in a country where the average person won't make that in a decade. i have seen it), you're safer than you would be in any us city. but don't fly all the way over to asia from europe or us just to go to ac unless its for business or something.

i'm not an experienced monger, have been in the game less than 5 years, and again, this is just my attempt at an answer, i am not preaching gospel.

cheers

[Mr Enternational]

If I could make one rule for AC I would ban them girlie flip flops. Guys need to watch Ralphie May on his take on guys in flip flops. He has I think your half homo if you wear them.

But his argument was that guys should not wear them because they do not take care of their feet, which goes along with proper grooming. And not grooming well is one of the arguments as to why hookers are telling guys no.