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[Fred Gold]

I assume there are several different mobile providers. What company do people think is the most value for data and voice. 3 G is good enough for me.

HAPPY HUNTING FRED.

[Wabbittt]

An estimated 300,000 prostitutes work in this city of seven million people.

Between four million and six million prostitutes ply their trade on the mainland, according to a 2010 World Health Organisation report. Some estimates say there are as many as 10 million sex workers in the country. In addition, there are millions working in related industries such as hotels, transport and catering.

By my back of the envelope calculation these figure, if taken at face value, mean that around 4% of the Dongguan population are SWs, which is tenfold more than in mainland China as a whole. No wonder it got targeted. . and no wonder it's bouncing back.

[Intransit]

From SCMP:

Sunday, 10 August, 2014,4:50 am.

Comment›Insight & Opinion.

WHAT THE MAINLAND MEDIA SAY.

Cary Huang.

It's not the 'oldest profession' for nothing. The sex trade not only provides income to millions, its clients include the powerful.

The word in the corridors of Chinese officialdom is that there are "some things you can do but never say and some things you can say but never do".

Prostitution belongs to the former. It is officially illegal on the mainland but prospers nonetheless in every part of the country.

In all cities and towns, large and small, prostitutes loiter around nightclubs, bars, karaoke rooms and massage parlours. Out on the street, skimpily dressed women are a common sight, sitting in the windows of hair salons and openly offering sexual services.

Even in the nation's political epicentre on Beijing's Changan Avenue, sex services are available in hotels and entertainment venues.

In economic terms, prostitution is a major industry in the same league as medicine and education, providing millions of jobs for its workers as well as services to its many more customers. That's why any development about it is news. It's no surprise, then, that a Xinhua report about the resumption of the sex trade in the Guangdong city of Dongguan last week made headlines nationwide.

Just five months after China Central Television ignited a large-scale crackdown with a report on Guangdong's "Sin City", Dongguan appears to be back in the world's oldest business. Global Times reported that some 1,134 entertainment venues, or nearly 70 per cent of those closed in the southern city during the crackdown, had reopened. That comprised 38 saunas, 465 karaoke parlours and 631 foot-massage centres. China Daily put the proportion at 80 per cent.

The news was enough to prompt state-run media to analyse whether Dongguan's municipal government was truly committed to the crackdown.

Indeed, the city authorities have long taken the "say but never do" attitude to the illegal industry, turning a blind eye for decades despite its high visibility. An estimated 300,000 prostitutes work in this city of seven million people.

The crux of the matter is that the sex trade is one of the pillars of the local economy, generating 50 billion yuan (HK $62.5 billion) or 10 per cent of Dongguan's 550 billion yuan gross domestic product last year.

That economic role was one reason that the central government's crackdown rebounded in unintended ways, triggering a rarely seen nationwide debate over whether the sex trade should be legalised.

Many of the arguments against legalised prostitution are grounded in ethics and morals. But advocates of legalisation counter that the activity occurs anyway and it makes sense to minimise its harm and maximise its gains through law.

The hard truth is that the industry is many people's bread and butter. Between four million and six million prostitutes ply their trade on the mainland, according to a 2010 World Health Organisation report. Some estimates say there are as many as 10 million sex workers in the country. In addition, there are millions working in related industries such as hotels, transport and catering.

Then there are the tens of millions of the sex trade's clients, many of whom are officials. Local officials avert their gaze to what happens in plain sight, despite the central government's campaigns against the industry.

Another factor at play is the millions of part-time prostitutes who make their way as mistresses to the wealthy and powerful in business and officialdom. If revelations from the cases of corrupt cadres are any guide, it is not uncommon for officials, particularly those higher up the power structure, to have at least one baoni, or "contracted prostitute".

Perhaps the central government's crackdown on prostitution is also part of President Xi Jinping's campaign to against graft and extravagance among officials, a mission also aimed at fostering socialist and Marxist orthodoxy to nurture clean governance and moral standards.

[BolloxDeep]

I stayed in Shenzhen in a hotel with spa. Naively, I didn't know what was what. I travelled with a female colleague and to most we probably looked like a western couple, however, we had separate rooms.

I have since come to realise that I should have visited the spa as 2012 seemed like Shenzhen in its hayday. I am assuming as I was with a female, this was th reason I didn't get any attention. I couldn't really anyway as that kind of thing would not be good if it got out at work.

Anyhow, I am going back in October and have meetings in Shenzhen and guangzhou. This time alone and want to cram as much in as I can. My options are flying to Hong Kong, Shenzhen or guangzhou. Is it do able that I could fly to Hong Kong, have 2 nights of fun there, train up to Shenzhen 1 or 2 nights there (is it even worth it after the crackdown) and then last few nights in Guangzhou. I would like longtime hotel overnights where possible.

In the UK, I started getting my head round we chat in preparation of trying to make some contacts when I am in China. I did actually get some uk meets believe or not and got my cock sucked in broad daylight in a local park, dirty.

I have been leaching / lurking / learning from here for a while and just posted a Chiang Mai report.

Thanks for all the efforts from the regular posters on here.

I noticed there is a classified on here, are they worth perusing? Are any of you kind enough to share contacts in any of the towns mentioned.

Thanks

[Waldeck2]

Having eaten Asian pussy for nearly 6 years in Shanghai with a trip to Beijing now and then I have never caught anything resembling an STD. I return to the US once a year and get checked for STD's. Some love it, some sat eh, some don't like it.

Are STD self tests readily available and if so where? As a monger have you ever asked a gal to take a test before you had sex with her?

I love to eat Asian pussy but don't want to be getting anything "extra".

Stay safe out there, Daz.

[Dazhiba]

Are STD self tests readily available and if so where? As a monger have you ever asked a gal to take a test before you had sex with her?

I love to eat Asian pussy but don't want to be getting anything "extra".

Stay safe out there, Daz.

[Jopj1]

Wanted to share this very interesting article with my fellow mongers.

http://www.economist.com/news/briefi...bang-your-buck

Although the methodology is very debatable results don't come as a surprise.

Shanghai is damn expansive and China is probably the only market where prices instead of decreasing to adjust to the lower demand just increase to make up for the loss in income. No doubt another China specificity.

[Mua Tur]

There are no smugglers. It is an extortion scam operated by the security personnel.

I wrote:

Basically, one of the security guys will put something in your tray going through the X-ray machine. If you touch it as you pick up your possessions, then you are grabbed and taken to a room to be extorted. The item could be an innocent looking object containing something illegal (e g drugs).

I guess that my writing skills need to be improved!

Still confused. If it is not smuggling, than why the security people need to be engaged in such types of extortion activities with the innocent passengers! It is hard to believe that the security peoples are mentally obsessed or some kind of mental sick. Since in the place like airport, the security persons are certainly need to be passed all kinds of test barriers.

You are an excellent writer. Any experiment in your writing, might be make more difficult for us who are not native English speaker.

[Ikksman]

Thanks for alerting.

Being a traveler city to cities never seen or experienced like that. But m little confused why the smugglers will use such a way, while there are full chances to be caught their items (illegal) in red hand.

Certainly for trafficking they use some other more secured way that we don't know.

There are no smugglers. It is an extortion scam operated by the security personnel.

I wrote:

Basically, one of the security guys will put something in your tray going through the X-ray machine. If you touch it as you pick up your possessions, then you are grabbed and taken to a room to be extorted. The item could be an innocent looking object containing something illegal (e g drugs).

I guess that my writing skills need to be improved!

[Mua Tur]

The advice is to put nothing on the tray except your hand-carry bag. And put your laptop on a separate tray. Anything from your pockets, put in your bag and zip / close it securely. Then you will be unlikely to be targeted. If you do see a foreign object on your tray, don't touch it, but immediately point it out to the security guy, and firmly say that it is not yours.Be safe!

Thanks for alerting.

Being a traveler city to cities never seen or experienced like that. But m little confused why the smugglers will use such a way, while there are full chances to be caught their items (illegal) in red hand.

Certainly for trafficking they use some other more secured way that we don't know.

[Fuzimiao]

I have spent the last few months travelling, and in two countries colleagues warned me of the following scam practised by some airport security guys. I don't know whether it has occurred yet in China, but better safe than sorry! It may be an old scam, but I have not heard of it before!

Basically, one of the security guys will put something in your tray going through the X-ray machine. If you touch it as you pick up your possessions, then you are grabbed and taken to a room to be extorted. The item could be an innocent looking object containing something illegal (e g drugs).

The advice is to put nothing on the tray except your hand-carry bag. And put your laptop on a separate tray. Anything from your pockets, put in your bag and zip / close it securely. Then you will be unlikely to be targeted. If you do see a foreign object on your tray, don't touch it, but immediately point it out to the security guy, and firmly say that it is not yours.

Be safe!

Sounds like those nice baggage check ladies in Barranquilla, but never heard of them planting anything, only stealing minor items right under your nose!

[Ikksman]

I have spent the last few months travelling, and in two countries colleagues warned me of the following scam practised by some airport security guys. I don't know whether it has occurred yet in China, but better safe than sorry! It may be an old scam, but I have not heard of it before!

Basically, one of the security guys will put something in your tray going through the X-ray machine. If you touch it as you pick up your possessions, then you are grabbed and taken to a room to be extorted. The item could be an innocent looking object containing something illegal (e g drugs).

The advice is to put nothing on the tray except your hand-carry bag. And put your laptop on a separate tray. Anything from your pockets, put in your bag and zip / close it securely. Then you will be unlikely to be targeted. If you do see a foreign object on your tray, don't touch it, but immediately point it out to the security guy, and firmly say that it is not yours.

Be safe!

[Bnlee2]

To Bnlee2.

This is China not Jarkata there are 3 Mercure in Jarkata I stay at the Mercure in kota and I post info on Jarkata hotel thread or pm me for any info.

Fast eddie 48.

FE48.

There seems to be a problem. I did not make this last post. I think either someone hijacked my sign in or there is a posting glitch. I do not know who or how that posting about me in Jakarta came about. I'm currently in Asia but not in Jakarta. I have never stayed in any of the Mercure hotels.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I am visiting in January and the choice for my hotel is either Grand Mercure Harmoni or the Novotel Mangga Dual. What do you guys recommend from a mongering perspective.

Thanks

To Bnlee2.

This is China not Jarkata there are 3 Mercure in Jarkata I stay at the Mercure in kota and I post info on Jarkata hotel thread or pm me for any info.

Fast eddie 48.

[Bnlee2]

I am visiting in January and the choice for my hotel is either Grand Mercure Harmoni or the Novotel Mangga Dual. What do you guys recommend from a mongering perspective.

Thanks