Vienna

[Massimo Potente]

Thank you for your response Massimo Potente to my recent brief post which attempted to be somewhat slightly humorous.

You are right of course. And when I wrote what I wrote this post of yours.

IHey,
If you are in or near Vienna. GoldenTime is a great place to go but its not a super size club as is Artemis in Berlin. Oase or Sharks in Frankfurt or Paradise in Stuttgart. Girls are ok. Some very acceptable but not necessarily of the same quality as is available in Globe. Zurich.

Was not there yet or I simply didn't see it.

Apologize for my little rant but the thing with girls and the services they must provide because we imply they are a given nowadays, does not sit well with me. I am in constant quarrel or let's say discussion about it with lots of people I meet when I go out and end up in a pay sex place. And it bugs me a lot in the Austrian Erotikforum as well. So this state has taken over my rationale at the time when I wrote my post. And it shouldn't have been addressed to you only but better be seen as a general hint that I am giving.

In the saunaclubs you don't get to speak much to the management but in smaller places that are somewhat low key at times or not that strongly frequented on certain days, the owners or members of management often take the time to give us mongers some insight which we would never imagine. Sometimes I even feel they share too much but I take it as a compliment and I am glad that some people are open about the way they run their establishments.

My way of thinking and the way I approach and talk to girls nowadays differs greatly from how I was a few years ago.

My post meant no disrespect to any of the members here and for sure not you.

But I still think that I raised a valid point in comparing the rates that we have to pay in Austria and Germany.

And yes, it is very true that you cannot compare the "club" GT to some of the super clubs in Germany but the club is small and still strong in its own right.

[Der Auslander]

BUT. This is really not a general rule.

At Der Auslander... Try and consider the girls'perspectives. We are burning the girls.

Edit: sorry for making this philosophical. It is your every right to push your experience to the maximum regardless of it being Austria or Germany. I was like you a few years ago but now I can't be that way anymore.

Thank you for your response Massimo Potente to my recent brief post which attempted to be somewhat slightly humorous. I am afraid you are reading too much into the few words written in my post. I would definitely agree with you that GoldenTime (Wien) is indeed a very good club and compares favorably with many of the FKK clubs in the neighboring jurisdictions. Germany. Switz. However, GoldenTime would not compare in size or scale to the larger superclubs which inhabit the larger cities of Germany. I am thinking of Artemis (Berlin) Oase. Palace. Sharks (Frankfurt) Paradise (Stuttgart). However, in my humble opinion GoldenTime would easily compare with Colosseum (Augsburg) and GoldenTime (near Dusseldorf) which are notable clubs in their own right but not of the same scale as the superclubs.

Of course if you are a regular at any club, big or small, you will have the advantage of familiarization with the club itself and more importantly with the girls working in the club. There is less chance of you experiencing hard sell techniques from girls who know you are a regular visitor to the club. A new visitor to the same club may not be so fortunate. An infrequent visitor to any club including GoldenTime Vienna must be somewhat guarded in their dealings with any of the working girls who frequent that particular club. Of course GoldenTime is a well run club but annoying things can happen even here.

With regards to the working conditions of the clubs, I believe that different clubs run their business in slightly different ways although the overall methodology is similar. In some clubs the girls do slightly better (from each zimmer) than in other clubs. But then if you are a working girl in high demand or working in a busy club, you will do better financially than a working girl in moderate demand or in a less busy club even though you are earning a larger percentage for each room visit in the less busy club. Lets just hope that wherever the girl works she gets to keep the money for herself.

[Massimo Potente]

There were quite a few good looking girls in GT Vienna. The problems are that those good looking girls in GT Vienna don't do DFK while those girls who do DFK are not good looking.

The good looking girls in GT Vienna did not want to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds located at the backyard of GT. Those girls agreed to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds are not good looking.

BUT. This is really not a general rule.

At Der Auslander.

Since I started participating on ISG I have learned quite a few things about German FKKs, have even made a trip to the Frankfurt area to refresh my experience of many years ago and have met some Austrian fellow mongers on that trip.

Believe it or not, we all agree that GT in Vienna can compete with the best of them. Not in terms of the rates but on average GT is a great experience if you know your way around the place. And FP can compare to the second line of clubs like Acapulco in my opinon.

When I was in German FKKs I was the stranger and I was subject to a few rip off attemps there. Stuff that would never happen to me in Vienna. Why is that so? Because I know my way around here, I can relate to the different conditions and the regime that the management runs. I know what the girls earn and what they have to go through to make money and approximately how much they make. In Vienna the girls pay less entry fee to work and make 20% more per every half hour session. Give it some thought. Or think the other way round. In Germany the girls pay more to be allowed to charge less for their very valuable very giving services.

The reason why you get all the services you want in Germany is not because the girls are better, it is because of the competition amongst the girls and clubs. So it all boils down to the economy and basic rules like supply and demand. The supply is huge, the demand is declining as are the rates consequently. This is nice on the surface for us but a disaster boiling underneath. We are pushing the industry to the limit and forget that we pay very little for quite a lot.

Try and consider the girls'perspectives. We are burning the girls.

Edit: sorry for making this philosophical. It is your every right to push your experience to the maximum regardless of it being Austria or Germany. I was like you a few years ago but now I can't be that way anymore.

[Der Auslander]

There were quite a few good looking girls in GT Vienna. The problems are that those good looking girls in GT Vienna don't do DFK while those girls who do DFK are not good looking.

The good looking girls in GT Vienna did not want to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds located at the backyard of GT. Those girls agreed to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds are not good looking.

Hey,

If you are in or near Vienna. GoldenTime is a great place to go but its not a super size club as is Artemis in Berlin. Oase or Sharks in Frankfurt or Paradise in Stuttgart. Girls are ok. Some very acceptable but not necessarily of the same quality as is available in Globe. Zurich.

[UShobbyist]

If you thought GT Vienna was good wait until you try the clubs over in Germany.

There were quite a few good looking girls in GT Vienna. The problems are that those good looking girls in GT Vienna don't do DFK while those girls who do DFK are not good looking.

The good looking girls in GT Vienna did not want to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds located at the backyard of GT. Those girls agreed to have sex with me on those small bamboo beds are not good looking.

[Der Auslander]

Just got back from GT. It was a pleasant experience. This was my first trip to an FKK club.

I would go back if I was in Vienna again.

If you thought GT Vienna was good wait until you try the clubs over in Germany.

[West Elm]

Just got back from GT. It was a pleasant experience. This was my first trip to an FKK club.

Getting there was easy by train U3 and then Tram 6 as previously suggested.

Entry was 90. Everywhere appears to be clean, but the cleaning lady goes everywhere in the locker room regardless. I was taking a shower fully naked and she came in and started mopping the floor. I bursted out laughing.

The quality of the girls was pretty good. I'd say mostly 7 or 8 out of 10, and I considered myself on the choosy side. Quite a few Italian girls. At least 3 that I talked to, with another girl being half Italian. All told, there could have been 30 girls at least, with maybe 15 guys. This was about 9:30 PM.

I took one Italian girl. She is not petite, but has a cute face, from Rome. Her service was so-so. As we know, YMMV and you can't really know until the action starts...

I meant baby-D cups.

[West Elm]

Just got back from GT. It was a pleasant experience. This was my first trip to an FKK club.

Getting there was easy by train U3 and then Tram 6 as previously suggested.

Entry was €90. Everywhere appears to be clean, but the cleaning lady goes everywhere in the locker room regardless. I was taking a shower fully naked and she came in and started mopping the floor. I bursted out laughing.

The quality of the girls was pretty good. I'd say mostly 7 or 8 out of 10, and I considered myself on the choosy side. Quite a few Italian girls. At least 3 that I talked to, with another girl being half Italian. All told, there could have been 30 girls at least, with maybe 15 guys. This was about 9:30 PM.

I took one Italian girl. She is not petite, but has a cute face, from Rome. Her service was so-so. As we know, YMMV and you can't really know until the action starts.

Ate more food. They had this pretty good beef dish tonight. I should have eaten more before I left as I am hungry again now typing this, LOL.

The 2nd girl was from Moldova. I would have rated her a subjective 9 if her face was better-looking. She's got these natural baby-the cups that really can't get much better, flat stomach with a perky and round butt. I enjoyed my time with her quite a bit.

The girls were aggressive, but not pushy. I would go back if I was in Vienna again.

[TungstenChef]

Back in June, I went to Fresh on a Videorudi GB night. The EUR50 entry fee is what you would pay anyway to get in. The GB was in an upstairs loft with two girls and a bunch of guys. Rudi was there handing out condoms. The big advantage was that, if the GB wasn't too exciting, you could go downstairs and have regular FKK fun without having to pay anything more than if you had gone there on a regular night. This is exactly what I did. After about 10 minutes in the GB, I got tired of the sweaty guys (and girls) and simply went downstairs to the FKK and thoroughly enjoyed myself for the rest of the evening. If you are interested, read my post a couple of pages back about how to get there on public transportation.

Thanks for the info, I read your post about the GB but somehow didn't realise it was at Fresh. Not a big fan of the sweaty guys, so thanks for saving me from that!

I'll report back here later.

I was trying to find a decent AMP with FS, but it doesn't seem like these forums have covered that. I have tried looking through erotikforum using Google Translate, but its hard work and they seem to chatter a lot without actually reporting. Maybe this isn't Vienna's strength and I should be focusing on the obvious fun like GT. Any thoughts?

Thanks

[Kib123]

Has anyone tried Sexy Angels Escorts (http://www.sexy-angels.at/escorts-wien.html)? Their rates are bargain basement for hotel outcalls which makes me a little suspicious. Are they legit? If not does anyone have any recommendations or advice for hotel outcalls? I'm in town for a few days but don't have time to visit a FKK.

Yes they are! And surprisingly efficient for that matter. I used them twice in May / June. Both times the ladies were exact match to those on the web. Both times service was first class. I don't remember the name of the 1st lady, but she was from Moldova. Very pretty, but an upseller (quoted +20 DFK, +30 BBBJ, settled on +20 DFK / CBJ). I didn't feel bad though because their rates are so reasonable. Her BJ (did it BBBJ anyway) skill was average, but rest of service was super. She was very friendly and professional too. The second lady was Austrian, I think 'Tina' was the name. Almost perfect in every way, the best mongering episode I ever had, period. Seemed to be doing it for the sex and not the money, never mentioned money until she was dressed and ready to leave. Virtually everything, except A-level was on the menu, no upsell. She was a loud moaner! I felt for my hotel neighbors. In both cases MSOG was included.

I used to think Frankfurt was the European mongering paradise until those two experiences in Vienna.

[Gergiev]

The low cost escort agencies in Vienna are all generally legit and Sexy Angels is ok as well. Of course there are some scammy things going on which is normal in every city as far as the escort business is concerned.

The low base rate can be misleading, though, because the girls will charge extra for any services that you may be interested in. Depending on the girl that can be between 20-50 for bareback blowjobs for example. But in general you may be able to negotiate a fair price in the end if you are good with words.

Basically as MP has written above.

One agency that has always been at the cheap end but still reliable and trustworthy is Traum Escort.

For years now, the basic deal has been 109 E for one hour, including taxi.

http://traum-escort.at

This includes full service and I think the oral is uncovered, but if you e-mail the lovely Karin, she will let you know.

Sounds almost too good to be true but as one Vienna insider explained it to me, they appeal to girls who like to be out earning regular money and not hanging around for days on end, waiting for one or two premium dates...

[Max #01]

Hi everyone,

I will be in Vienna again in a few weeks (its taken me a few years to get back! I have a few days, so I hope to try some different forms of entertainment.

I have been reading the reviews here on Fresh, so I checked out their website.

Does anyone understand what the Gangbang event is about? My German is not too great, but I understand that it costs 50 to get in and there seem to be 2 time slots (Durchgang?) Any ideas what this could mean?

Thanks!

Back in June, I went to Fresh on a Videorudi GB night. The EUR50 entry fee is what you would pay anyway to get in. The GB was in an upstairs loft with two girls and a bunch of guys. Rudi was there handing out condoms. The big advantage was that, if the GB wasn't too exciting, you could go downstairs and have regular FKK fun without having to pay anything more than if you had gone there on a regular night. This is exactly what I did. After about 10 minutes in the GB, I got tired of the sweaty guys (and girls) and simply went downstairs to the FKK and thoroughly enjoyed myself for the rest of the evening. If you are interested, read my post a couple of pages back about how to get there on public transportation.

[TungstenChef]

Hi everyone,

I will be in Vienna again in a few weeks (its taken me a few years to get back! I have a few days, so I hope to try some different forms of entertainment.

I have been reading the reviews here on Fresh, so I checked out their website.

Does anyone understand what the Gangbang event is about? My German is not too great, but I understand that it costs 50 to get in and there seem to be 2 time slots (Durchgang?) Any ideas what this could mean?

Thanks!

[Massimo Potente]

Thanks for your input, MP. Much appreciated. So if I wanted BBBJ with CIM, it would be roughly an extra 50 euros?

I know it varies from girl to girl, but overall is the service worthwhile from outcall escorts? Do they try to please? For example, are they OK with 2 pops in a 1 hour outcall or is the second pop an extra too?

With 50 or 60 you might be ok but it is really up to the girl.

I can't give a general verdict, really. Some girls want to please and some are just downright awful. At a 99 Euro rate the girls will not get more than a 50 or 60 Euro share, maybe less. So not all of them will be motivated. This not to say that only expensive agencies are the way to go.

[Cunning Stunt]

Thanks for your input, MP. Much appreciated. So if I wanted BBBJ with CIM, it would be roughly an extra 50 euros?

I know it varies from girl to girl, but overall is the service worthwhile from outcall escorts? Do they try to please? For example, are they OK with 2 pops in a 1 hour outcall or is the second pop an extra too?