Moscow

[Jake993]

So. With panic / chaos in Moscow finances will the golden days of Moscow mongering come back?

This is a theory that I am quite eager to test!! Will visit Night Flight soon to see how things are at the old barometer.

[KaveMan]

So, with panic / chaos in Moscow finances will the golden days of Moscow mongering come back?

'98 seems very similar: ruble devaluation, oil tanking, dollar rocketing.

Not Scheundfrend. But that "I only travel business class / $1,000/ HR" was a joke and wouldn't last.

Putin in effigy upside-down or for real next.

[Jake993]

- Crazy Daisy: went there on Saturday night. I was astonished by the quality and number of girls. But this place looks good for men in their thirties.

Thanks for the report Peter63.

Good to hear that Crazy Daisy is still pulling in the cute chicks. It's been almost a year since my last trip there so I am a little out of touch.

I'm starting to hear that clubbing and hanging out in bars is getting to be too expensive for the local girls who are paid in rubles which, I am sure you all know, is taking a nose dive. Many foreign companies are pulling out and that means lay-offs for local staff. I think that this phenomenon MAY mean that girls who are hanging out in bars are getting more overt about looking for guys to buy them drinks. While initially annoying, it can mean a good opportunity for breaking the ice with non WG's. BTW, if this financial trend continues, it could mean a return to the good old days where girls start turning tricks for extra money. These girls are NOT hardened pros and can often be MUCH for fun. They are trying to make ends meet and since "moral flexibility" seems to be a common trait amongst Russian girls. These are all important signals for us to watch in the coming months.

Let's face it boys, who WOULDN'T like to see a return to the 90's when it comes to WG's, even if it is only for a short while. Hmmmmm, come to think of it. Might be about time for a return trip to Night Flight, which has always been a good barometer of economic times. As times get harder, the quality of the girls goes up.

[Diana911]

My advice is to go back to SE Asia. P4 P is outrageously overpriced here and sercie is horrendous. What you will pay here for an hour of rushed, mediocre service (7-10 K Rubles) will buy you a week of GFE with a hot free lancer in Pattaya.

Just my 2 Kopeks worth.

Uncle-V.

Very good prices in http://escortrus.ru/.

[Diana911]

-1000 rub for sale till New year http://escortrus.ru.

[Putologist]

I was in Moscow few weeks ago. I tested some of the suggestions read on the forum:

- Toro Grill: A lot of beautiful girls dining but only few old one appeared to be WG.

- Crazy Daisy: went there on Saturday night. I was astonished by the quality and number of girls. But this place looks good for men in their thirties.

- Papas Place: went there on Monday night. Ratio men / women was bad and very bad for a old man as I am. I left around midnight.

- Hudson bar: Went there few times but I saw only old WG...

I went to Toro Belaruskaya for dining many times. But I dint see any WG there (at least none looked like one), but maybe I am talking about the wrong Toro Grill.

At Hudson I saw some, but as you said, not really worth it. But a friend of mine was lucky one night there and did it anyway, he said the lady was fine and not that old, but the problem with such small places is that everybody (including non WGs) see what is going on. Despite of being the biggest city in Europe, the expat scene seems to be quite discernible. That said, he regrets the decision of going out with that woman at that moment as the bar was full of people. However, he enjoyed that night with her and that is what counts. I told him that it really doesn't matter what others think about that, forget about that "image" stuff.

IMO if one is in Moscow as a tourist and are not planning to go after non pros, this is a good option.

[Putologist]

I fully agree that Mamba is a waste of time. I spent several hours on few days selecting girls with "sex" keyword, sending dozens of polite but clear messages with mention to "material support". I got 5 propositions for meetings in my hotel. They requested 10 k to 15 k for a 2 hours meeting. However, it was impossible to get a final agreement. They just vanished.

It would have been much better to spend this wasted time walking in Moscow in the street, in the metro or in the cafe looking at these numbering beautiful princesses that we can see at every corner.

I was in Moscow...

... So it was an overall mitigated experience.

Oh man, too bad for you. And it is not the first time I am hearing this kind of negative opinion about Moscow.

Slowly I am getting the feeling that it is easier to invest some time in the game with "normal" women, than to deal allover again with the "pros". The pros save you time, a lot of time, but it is imo also more expensive and the award at the end (like in your case) are not always that good.

[Stravinsky]

FYI. Detailed Zurich review.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...rich&p=1650994

Globe on decline.

Club Aphrodisia has 9-11 level models, confirmed.

I'm sure we're all very happy for you...

[KaveMan]

FYI. Detailed Zurich review.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...rich&p=1650994

Globe on decline.

Club Aphrodisia has 9-11 level models, confirmed.

[Peter63]

I fully agree that Mamba is a waste of time. I spent several hours on few days selecting girls with "sex" keyword, sending dozens of polite but clear messages with mention to "material support". I got 5 propositions for meetings in my hotel. They requested 10 k to 15 k for a 2 hours meeting. However, it was impossible to get a final agreement. They just vanished.

It would have been much better to spend this wasted time walking in Moscow in the street, in the metro or in the cafe looking at these numbering beautiful princesses that we can see at every corner.

I was in Moscow few weeks ago. I tested some of the suggestions read on the forum:

- Toro Grill: A lot of beautiful girls dining but only few old one appeared to be WG.

- Crazy Daisy: went there on Saturday night. I was astonished by the quality and number of girls. But this place looks good for men in their thirties.

- Papas Place: went there on Monday night. Ratio men / women was bad and very bad for a old man as I am. I left around midnight.

- Hudson bar: Went there few times but I saw only old WG.

My last chance was with escort girls. I contacted Liliya on rusdosug. I selected her since she got some positive evals. She requested 320 $ for 2 h. However, she got 10 more kg than her pics. Hopefully, social time was nice.

Then I tried twice beauty-students. Both days, I got young tall and very attractive girls to my hotel. Of course, I never got the one I had requested based on the pictures! The first one was a tall blond girl. Unfortunately she could not speak English. We had a good classical sessions. But after the first shot she left although I requested a 2 h session. The second one was a tall slim brunette. She could speak English. After the first shot, I pulled out a body condom announcing the begining of her period.

So it was an overall mitigated experience.

I've found the dating sites like Mamba to be a huge waste of time. There are just too many guys on these sites and it takes forever to set up an actual date. I think a lot of girls are just on there to flirt or to feel good about themselves because so many dudes are following them. And then it takes more chatting on whattsup, followed by wining and dining, before you can actually close the deal.

And going out in Moscow is super expensive with not a whole lot of value added in terms of service and quality of food and drinks.

You are better off hitting a places like Papa's, Old Man, or Bermuda and trying your luck with cold approaches than wasting time on Mamba.

Again this is just my humble opinion and YMMV.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[Uncle Volodya]

Thanks, Uncle-V. Actually for P4 P I prefer German FKK's to the other options (have reported on some of my experiences in the FKK forums here). Very reasonable price and beautiful and sometimes stunning women with high quality service if you know how to find them. The SEA and Russia I was thinking mostly for freebies (I like the adventure and thrill of it even though I know it will probably costs more than P4 P in the end). I like something that DavidVanSchuma or YummyPL did and reported here. So my question was basically if it is still likely to find 7+ freebies in Moscow? It looks like to me dating sites would be a good place to start maybe? Is the bar scene a viable option for an english-speaking fellow?

I have RTFF before but was wondering if the positive vibe still exists in Moscow / St Petersburg or does it not worth the time and resources that I am going to invest in this trip.

Thanks for the help.

I've found the dating sites like Mamba to be a huge waste of time. There are just too many guys on these sites and it takes forever to set up an actual date. I think a lot of girls are just on there to flirt or to feel good about themselves because so many dudes are following them. And then it takes more chatting on whattsup, followed by wining and dining, before you can actually close the deal.

And going out in Moscow is super expensive with not a whole lot of value added in terms of service and quality of food and drinks.

You are better off hitting a places like Papa's, Old Man, or Bermuda and trying your luck with cold approaches than wasting time on Mamba.

Again this is just my humble opinion and YMMV.

Stay horny my friend.

Uncle-V.

[Stravinsky]

Where I have REALLY noticed the exchange rate making a big negative impact is in the bars. Imported alcohol is getting more and more expensive every weekend. Ha! What a dope! All of that extra attention I was feeling is just girls trying to scam me into buying them free drinks!

Hey, I'm not proud, I'll take it any way I can get it; as long as I can scam them into my own purposes.

What's a Johnnie Walker go for nowadays? After Lukashenko takes his cut, I imagine it must be pretty pricey.

BTW - Where are you buying your prosciutto lately?

[Jake993]

Do you think this phenomenon might have anything to do with the fact that the local exchange rate for Ruble / Dollar is now about 2 cents?

You know, I have thought about that and you might be right. Where I have REALLY noticed the exchange rate making a big negative impact in in the bars. Imported alcohol is getting more and more expansive every weekend. Ha! What a dope! All of that extra attention I was feeling is just girls trying to scam me into buying them free drinks!

[Smdrr]

It absolutely DOES exist in Moscow.
Jake.

Thanks this is what I hoping for. As for the game plan I am hoping that doing some research on dating sites some time prior to the trip should do it? I have been told that Moscow may not be safe as I might get beaten up by the locals for picking up chicks but I think following common sense would get a long way in helping me not to get into hairy situations. I just hope the political situation does not get much more complicated than what it is right now by the summer.

[Stravinsky]

I can't quite put my finger on it but I have been receiving MUCH more than my fair share of attention from girls in bars, restaurants, etc.

Do you think this phenomenon might have anything to do with the fact that the local exchange rate for Ruble / Dollar is now about 2 cents?