General Info

[Citizen Kane]

Does anyone have any first hand experience at this club? I've RTFF and info is pretty scarce. The website says FKK Mon, Wed and Fri and it's free (yes, free!) entry before 14:00. I think this includes food and soft drinks but I may have interpreted this incorrectly. (From a business point of view, wouldn't this attract homeless people?!!)

As it's only 3 minutes drive from one the hotels I'm stay at on my Summer NRW tour I was thinking of giving it a go. I guess it will only cost me my time if it's a disaster. Plus, I might get a free breakfast out of it...

Any information would be gratefully received.

Thanks in advance.

CK.

[Mambomike]

I think this only applies if you purchase the extra insurance? Generally, I avoid paying extra for car rental insurance through my own policy (which does not apply in Germany) or paying the rental with a credit card (which covers damage and theft on rentals in Germany, but I have not found a credit card that also covers liability).

The car rental company is generally required to provide a minimum level of liability coverage otherwise the car can not be registered to be operated to begin with. For example, Sixt in Germany provides "Insurance coverage for the vehicle rented includes Third Party Liability with a maximum cover of EUR 50 Mill for personal injuries and material damages. Maximum cover for personal injuries is EUR 8 Mill per injured person and is limited to Europe only. " Hertz's third party coverage is "in most European countries, basic insurance includes unlimited coverage on bodily injury to persons other than the driver and property damage to anything other than the Hertz vehicle, except in Italy where max coverage is 7. 5 million Euro and 2 million Euro in Netherlands. ".

[Trans Atlantic]

One concern I still have about renting cars in Germany is insurance, however. I use a credit card that covers damage and theft, but not liability. My US insurance does not cover European rentals, but using a credit card with damage and theft insurance, do I still need to buy the rental insurance at significant cost?

The car rental company is generally required to provide a minimum level of liability coverage otherwise the car can not be registered to be operated to begin with. For example, Sixt in Germany provides "Insurance coverage for the vehicle rented includes Third Party Liability with a maximum cover of EUR 50 Mill for personal injuries and material damages. Maximum cover for personal injuries is EUR 8 Mill per injured person and is limited to Europe only. " Hertz's third party coverage is "in most European countries, basic insurance includes unlimited coverage on bodily injury to persons other than the driver and property damage to anything other than the Hertz vehicle, except in Italy where max coverage is 7. 5 million Euro and 2 million Euro in Netherlands. ".

[Nille Copenhagen]

Life is a series of calculated risks. Still FKK clubs are much safer than most other forms of prostitution, here or elsewhere in the world.

HB

True, unless you got your dick bitten by a "shark" LOL.

[Hessen Bub]

That was pure luck that they didn't shot any guests or girls during the escape,

Life is a series of calculated risks. Still FKK clubs are much safer than most other forms of prostitution, here or elsewhere in the world.

HB.

[PacificRim]

One concern I still have about renting cars in Germany is insurance, however. I use a credit card that covers damage and theft, but not liability. My US insurance does not cover European rentals, but using a credit card with damage and theft insurance, do I still need to buy the rental insurance at significant cost?

Easy to check with your car rental agency. I always rent through Kemwel.com and liability insurance is included. This is true whether the car is supplied by Hertz, Avis or Europcar.

[Mambomike]

Thanks for the many responses here. In my first two visits, I rented a car both times, which I felt saved me the aggravation and time spent dealing with navigating the public transit system. Renting cars cost about the same as I would spend on public transportation, unless I was going to the same club for several days and a nearby hotel. With a German GPS (others work if you have purchased a western European map file) which I bought in Hennef when my old one went bad, getting around is pretty easy. I have visited several clubs in a trip, for example driving from Samya to Goldentime. You need a car. The first visit, I travelled from FRA Flughafen to Oase, by train and taxi. I made it without any major mistakes, but it was a challenge. On the return, I think I was on an express train (ICE? But only had a regular train tagsticket. Oops, maybe.

One concern I still have about renting cars in Germany is insurance, however. I use a credit card that covers damage and theft, but not liability. My US insurance does not cover European rentals, but using a credit card with damage and theft insurance, do I still need to buy the rental insurance at significant cost?

As for parking, look for the device in the glove box (or ask for one) that times when you park. There is a peculiar name for this device, but it might be 'parkenkarte' or something like that. In many places, parking is free but time is limited to 30 minutes or an hour, with signage to indicate that. Many but not all FKKs / Saunaclubs have their own free parking lots, of course.

I find driving in Germany to be pretty easy, since my country drives on the right hand side. Unless you have a heavy foot, stay out of the left lane (s) on Autobahns or watch a long distance back in the rearview mirror and get out of the way. My last trip, I floored the accelerator for about 50 miles non-stop, but still felt the BMWr I rented from Sixt to be underpowered. Also watch closely for speed limit signs, because they change quick from no speed limit to 110-130 km / HR. The signs that look like a car running past a puddle and splashing are speed limit signs for when rain or snow occur.

In NRW, my favorites clubs are easily reachable by public transportation from Dusseldorf. Only Golden Time can be an pain in the ass to reach by train, but I don't like GT.

I was in Germany two weeks ago, rented a car for 150 , the car was taken by the police because I parked on a wrong place and I had to pay 110 to get it back. And I paid 45 euros for the gas. With 60 , I have a one week ticket to go anywhere I want. So I'll stick to public transportation next time, it's really cheaper. And it's getting harder to find a place to park in Dusseldorf.

[PussyLiccker]

No, Mr Corleone, not paranoid, I'm just a realist. I haven't been thinking about this for more then the last 2 months, I sat there in a sofa at Artemis around 2 AM and the thought struck me? Yes crazy I know, I should look at all the beautiful girls and make the same plan as you instead for making a plan where to flee.

You can't call yourself a realist of such thoughts. Given it's chances, it's not realistic to expect so. It's a very irrational, and it is paranoia. You should seek professional help.

[PussyLiccker]

Wikipedia mentions the shooting under the heading Incidents. There is also a link to an article in German. Well, at least in Sweden we've had numerous shootings at nightclubs and restaurants so I'd say that FKK's still are not more risky than any other type of establishment. Probably less so as most people are not drunk at five in the morning.

If Nille is referring to this incident in the wiki:

In the early morning hours of 17 August 2012, four guests refused to pay their bill. One of them drew a gun and shot at the doormen, injuring three of them. The group then fled by car. The gun was a modified alarm gun that shot plastic bullets. A few weeks later, a Russian resident of Berlin was arrested as a suspect in the case.

No real bullets were involved.

[Nille Copenhagen]

Wouldn't consider this a terrorist attack. AFAIK it did not affect any "normal guests".

HB

That was pure luck that they didn't shot any guests or girls during the escape, they literally shot the way out of Artemis, the security got shot. There might still be bullet holes in the door / wall if you look closely LOL.

OK, I'm dramatizing a bit, I've been to Artemis countless time and I'm still a live LOL. I just want to say shit can happen at least at places you least expected it. The fact is it did happened at Artemis.

[Guy93]

Why do you not rent a car and drive if you are going to different FKKs during your visit? Is there a reason beside cost (which is often cheaper to rent a car)?

Don't need a car in Berlin. It's very easy to reach Artemis by S-bahn. Same goes to some other clubs, like DV in Dusseldorf and Sharks in Darmstadt, those are also very easy to reach by public transportation.

The reason I have never rent a car yet might be that I have never rent a car yet when I travel in foreign lands and I have heard some firms require age of 25 to rent?

[FlyByCable]

Paranoid! You mentioned visiting 10-12 times a year. Did you feel unsafe during those trips? Are you depressed because vikings season 3 is done?

I do become nervous before I start a session with a girl. I'm just paranoid about the possibility of an IED planted in her mouth or pussy!

No, Mr Corleone, not paranoid, I'm just a realist. I haven't been thinking about this for more then the last 2 months, I sat there in a sofa at Artemis around 2 AM and the thought struck me? Yes crazy I know, I should look at all the beautiful girls and make the same plan as you instead for making a plan where to flee. Stupid me.

But, for sure, there will be attacks with bombs and weapon from Islamic fundamentalists in European countries the coming years, I'm pretty sure it will increase.

There has been attacks with weapon from such people at brothels in other countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Iraq for example with a lot of people killed and injured. But yes, the risk for this to happen in Europe is close to zero. I need to stop thinking about this and just have some fun instead, I'm sorry for bringing it up.

[Hessen Bub]

Not true! There was shooting at Artemis, these men were Russian mafia members.

Wouldn't consider this a terrorist attack. AFAIK it did not affect any "normal guests".

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

Comforting words, those.

Hahaha. I know. Comforting as "that's what she said. "

[PacificRim]

Size may not coincide with quality,

Comforting words, those.