Bangkok Reports

[Stirge2210]

Hey fellow mongers,

I'm heading to BKK next week and wanted to ask a simple, but logical question that doesn't really involve scouring forums to find the answer. I'll be staying on Soi 11 during my trip and I've heard mention of FL bars that are pretty good on this Soi. Is it true that Soi 11 has some decent FL bars? Which ones would you recommend? Also, which massage places have you had positive experiences with? (oily or soapies).

Thanks in advance to anyone who has insight into this. If you would like tips from Hanoi, Kuala Lumpur, Beijing, or Taiwan (most of the island), I have plenty of places to visit, just let me know!

Cheers,

Stirge

[Lefeu]

So leave your Western thoughts at home about paying more gets you more. In Bkk, overpaying for sex results in less service. By overpaying, you will be view as a horny old sex tourist that is dump enough to pay too much for pu_sy.

I would like to disagree with your analysis, to some extent. I have never lived in Thailand, but have been traveling there since 2004. I took a total of 15 trips so far. Based on my experience, it is just the opposite.

When I pick a girl, I never negotiate the price. If she quotes me a price close to the going rate, I am game. Otherwise, I move on. However, if I like the session, then I am very generous with the tip, especially if I want to see her again. I have never been disappointed. I've always gotten great service, yet I overpay when you add the tip.

[Undercoverh]

In western countries, paying more often means you get better service or receive a better product. Think of the high price cars, hotels, restaurants in America for example. Western people are trained to think, and expect, the higher the price, the better the service. In western countries, this concept is mostly true.

When western men come to Bkk, they bring this same concept, and it does not not not not apply in Bkk! The more you pay for sex, the worst the service. Why is that? In Thai culture, how they treat you is based on your status in life. The lower your status, the worst they treat you. So how do most Thais now view Western sex tourist? You guessed it, on the low end of society. Thus, even if you pay 5,000 to 6,000 to a soi bar girl, she will still treat you like crap, as one guy found out in a recent post here. In addition, it is odd, but many Thai bar girls think men the overpay for sex expect too much. As one Thai bar said, "I am not his sex slave just because he gives me lots of money, he does not own me. ".

So leave your Western thoughts at home about paying more gets you more. In Bkk, overpaying for sex results in less service. By overpaying, you will be view as a horny old sex tourist that is dump enough to pay too much for pu_sy.

[Member #4698]

I have BFed literally hundreds of GoGo girls. But have not frequented them in years. Why? They are just too expensive and I don't find the attitudes and rushed service appealing. I think paying over 100 USD ST when you add up the BF, gals fee, and drinks is expensive. Sorry but when it was 35 USD all in, a rush job was ok. Call me cheap, whatever, but for one shot to me that is a lot of money. For a little over 60 USD I get a full 90 min in an oily with a gal who is going to do just about everything and do it well. I can shoot as many times as I like in that 90 min. Guess after the scads of gals I have had over the past 15 years I am both spoiled and yes, a bit jaded. My expectations are very different than that of newcomers.

I respect your opinion and point of view G. Note: there is no falsehood in anything you wrote. I will just say in response that all the Go Go girls I repeat with, REPEAT WITH, do not rush me. We usually spend 3 or 4 hours together with one shag, a lot of fooling around, some drinking, and sometimes a late dinner. I call it modified ST. Example: I found out that one of my new Go Go friends from March 2015 likes to go swimming. By our third time together we had it worked out to an afternoon pool party, shag, and then early dinner. It was great. No barfine. No rush. I think we hooked up 6 times this way. I am definitely going to see her again in early October. Syzygies knows who she is. She is a great gal and IMHO, the hottest dancer in one of our favorite Go Go's.

[Goatscrot]

Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are biased and long on a certain negative opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said opinion (bias). It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. I find my BKK girls in many different places. It is also fine to give your reasons for not liking Go Go's or any other venue as long as those reasons are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's.

Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV.

Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.

I have BFed literally hundreds of GoGo girls. But have not frequented them in years. Why? They are just too expensive and I don't find the attitudes and rushed service appealing. I think paying over 100 USD ST when you add up the BF, gals fee, and drinks is expensive. Sorry but when it was 35 USD all in, a rush job was ok. Call me cheap, whatever, but for one shot to me that is a lot of money. For a little over 60 USD I get a full 90 min in an oily with a gal who is going to do just about everything and do it well. I can shoot as many times as I like in that 90 min. Guess after the scads of gals I have had over the past 15 years I am both spoiled and yes, a bit jaded. My expectations are very different than that of newcomers.
Facts? I think these are based on experiences and we all have different ones. I am sure for some dude the GoGos are great. For me and for most of the long timers I know, they are not. For the most part neither are most FLs, although there is a gem every now and then. Problem is most locals don't want to stay up till 4 am chasing gals in discos. In fact, most long term expats I know don't go out chasing poon all that much. They have a list of numbers that expands and contracts and when they want to get laid they start dialing and order in; that is if they live alone. If they don't they meet gals at ST hotels or go to MPs or oilies.
i was in R4 about 3 weeks ago for the first time in about 2 years. I was bored to tears. Between the countless plastic surgery disasters, the awful music, and the "stunners" with attitudes, I could not wait to leave.

[Member #4698]

I am an FL guy but do visit Gogos on occasion. Especially if I don't want to go out too late that night and want to be back in the room making the best with two backs by a descent hour.

That said my gogo experience is limited compared to guys like Natty but I have had good success at: RB4, RB2, and Crazy House. I visited all of them within the last year and took girls who were pretty, had good attitudes and provided great sex and even GFE. I've also had a good time at these venues just hanging out. Flirting, making out with the girls, fondling their tits and ass, playing withe their pussies, getting a handjobs etc, all for the price of a few drinks -- and them moved on to another venue or simply went home alone if I was tired and not really in the mood.

I prefer FLs primaily because of cost and because you do, on average, get more of a girlfirend feel (though I have also repeated with gogo girls and had fun GFE times). I am glad gogos are around and they always have a place in my itinerary.

Uncle V, I know you are a big fan of Insomnia over in Pat. That is a pretty good place and I look forward to going there in late September. I know I am going to meet some charming FL girls there aside from all the great Go Go girls I will also have the pleasure of.

My MO in BKK is different. I mostly hit oily parlors in the afternoon and Go Go's in the early evening between 8 pm and 10 pm. When I get tired of the Go Go circuit I change off and go to my favorite Soapies and then hit the Go Go's afterwards. LOL. Staying as I do on Soi 11 a lot, I always check out Climax and Levels later in the evening, but I must confess that I am not a big fan. Climax is too dark and the girl quality is spotty IMHO. Levels is higher class, but a majority of the girls are either already with guys or not P4 P so the place is unreliable. I also make an annual pilgrimage to Spasso and Mixx. The FL Spasso girls are generally older and expensive, but usually very nice. Still, I sometimes can't believe how many dudes show up there for what is available considering the cost and the quality. Then there are a number of very good dance clubs away from Sukhumvit like Demo off Ekkamai, the clubs on RCA Alley, the Pimp Sister ect. But to tell you the truth, I usually only go to these places with a girl and her girlfriends, not to pick one up because by 11:30 pm to 1 am I have already made my selection for the evening and am happy. But ask me about FL bars and clubs in Jakarta and you will get a different answer. I love CJ's.

[Uncle Volodya]

Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are long on opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said biased opinion. It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. It is also fine to give your reasons as long as they are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's that is biased towards your favored venue and type of girl whatever that is.

Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV. Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.

I am an FL guy but do visit Gogos on occasion. Especially if I don't want to go out too late that night and want to be back in the room making the best with two backs by a descent hour.

That said my gogo experience is limited compared to guys like Natty but I have had good success at: RB4, RB2, and Crazy House. I visited all of them within the last year and took girls who were pretty, had good attitudes and provided great sex and even GFE. I've also had a good time at these venues just hanging out. Flirting, making out with the girls, fondling their tits and ass, playing withe their pussies, getting a handjobs etc, all for the price of a few drinks -- and them moved on to another venue or simply went home alone if I was tired and not really in the mood.

I prefer FLs primaily because of cost and because you do, on average, get more of a girlfirend feel (though I have also repeated with gogo girls and had fun GFE times). I am glad gogos are around and they always have a place in my itinerary.

[Member #4698]

Have any of you supposed Go Go experts ever been in a Go Go, let alone visited BKK? I wonder because I am reading several recent posts that are biased and long on a certain negative opinion and yet contain a tremendous amount of false and misleading information in order to support the said opinion (bias). It is one thing if you do not like Go Go's and prefer some alternative source for your girls. I find my BKK girls in many different places. It is also fine to give your reasons for not liking Go Go's or any other venue as long as those reasons are fact based. I have nothing against SW's, FL's, bar girls, semi pros, or massage girls. Whatever rocks your boat, just please stop posting erroneous information about Go Go's.

Here are the facts: First, the barfine covers the cost to the bar plus a small profit for taking a girl out of the bar. Once a girl leaves the bar she can no longer generate drinks for the bar. So the barfine is generally a fair exchange. In most Go Go's the barfine is 600 to 700 bt. In Go Go's with Coyotes, the barfine for the coyotes is more, usually 1000 bt to 1500 bt. The barfine is added to your tab and must be payed before you can leave the bar with your girl. Second, whatever you agree to pay your girl for her service and for how long is between you and the girl. The customer almost always (95% of the time) pays the girl after service is rendered. The vast majority of Go Go girls working in ISG recommended bars, ie bars that I and fellow like minded BM's have personally recommended give anywhere from acceptable to amazing service. YMMV.

Maybe I should offer consultation services to guys that have trouble getting laid proper in a BKK Go Go. 555. Because I have never had a Go Go girl try to rip me off and the last sub-par service I had was back in 2010 or 2011 (approximately 90 barfines ago). I remember her well. She was a very pretty girl out of RB 4. Once in the room she turned out to be a starfish. My report on her can be found somewhere in the back pages of the forum. But I still managed to salvage a decent shag out of her by being nice and hanging in there, literally with my dick in her vagina 30 to 40 minutes, until she realized the session wasn't going to end until she got me off. Ha Ha. What I learned from that session was to select my girls carefully and not to pick my girls based on looks alone. Make no mistake, looks are VERY important to me, but I also make REAL sure that there is a positive vibe between me and my prospective girls before I agree to barfine them. And like I said, I have not had a under-performer Go Go girl since 2010 or 2011.

[Undercoverh]

I am reading all the posts about members getting ripped off at bars, and I'm nodding my head. Of course you are getting ripped off because you are prepaying for service. If you do some work and actually look for freelancers on social networks and dating sites, you would never be ripped off. Because the latter is a post pay situation.

Stop going to bar and paying for barfines. Stop paying the middlemen and pay 100% to the girls instead.

I personally found going to the disco places in BKK more rewarding (insomnia, mix).

I agree with you. The bar fine fee is a waste of time. Back in the day, the bar fine was insurance the girl would perform. If she did not, you went back to the bar, asked for your money back, and the girl would be in trouble. Just the treat of telling the girl you would go back to the bar and get your money back made the girl act right. Now days, the mama will never give money back, the girls never get in trouble when you talk to the mama, and the girl is free to act how she wants with the customer. This is a different generation of bar girls and mamas then 15 years ago. This new generation could care less about you.

The bar fine was also payment for the owner to bring together a group of young fuckable women ready to please you. Well, those days are gone. Now it is a group of women at the go go bars with attitude and no service. Guys can now go to FL bars on soi 11 and find tons more fuckable women ready to please brought together in a group, and no bar fine. Therefore, I refuse to pay a bar fine in Bkk. Plus, paying for service in advance often leads to problems, e. G. , bar fine.

Some bar girls ask for advance payment, guess the type if service you will get.

I will not lower my expectations for P4 P sex. I expect GFE and good sex. If you accept bad sex and bad attitude, you simply get married and save the cost of airfare to Bkk. I do not find good sex in one outlet, then I will find another sex outlet that provides it, rather it be in Bkk or another city, or another country.

So many men forget we are control in Bkk. They chase young pussy and overpay and take BS off of these girls. If Western men stop going to Bkk, the economy would tank. Simply, if you are not getting the service you desire, stop going to the go go bar that provided the service. Vote with your pocketbook. But I see so many Western men keep visiting the same sex outlets that always get bad reviews here, e. G. , soi cowboy. You will never see a Thai customer in soi cowboy go go bars, because he knows it is BS tourist trap. Think about it, you never see Thai men in Nana and soi cowboy in Bkk.

FL is a better option then Go Go bars.

FL had a bad rep before. That is, rip off girls. But FL with certian rules will help you enjoy your sex. Here are the rules, always talk to the girl in a FL bar, tons of CCTV in these places. If something should happen, police can see what the girl look like. Never prepay for sex. Write down the price and time she will stay, and have here agree to this. I like using a hotel that takes their ID, and will not let her leave until they know you are ok. This is an excellent service, tip the night guard and most will really look out for you. I like ST, i really do not want a girl I just met sleeping with me and I close my eyes. Look at here ID and make sure she is over 18. You can do all these things in a romantic way. I avoid FL on the street, I prefer the club. These are just a few tips, others may have more. Also, go go bars health checks never happen. So being with a FL vs a go go bar girl is the same risk for STD. I like young FL, that are not harden or have lots of miles. The part time FL, full time student type.

FL with the right rules in place, gives you more control and better sexual outcomes compared to most go go bars in Bkk.

[Sunlover2]

I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.

IMO the whole cabaret style go-go bar business model is a bit of a 1960's vietnam era anachronism, which is now creaking under it's own weight.

SL.

[Uncle Volodya]

I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.

Yup. That works better now that we are all paying 3 K a lot of the time. 555.

Man, inflation sucks!

[Tiger 888]

Do Asian guys really all cum in 3 minutes? Why is that?

Yes, all of them. Except the ones who don't.

[Banana Boi]

I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.

Do Asian guys really all cum in 3 minutes? Why is that?

[VIPhawaii]

Wait, you are not understanding how a bar-fine works. That money goes (mostly) to the bar, not to the girl. You negotiate a fee for her services with her and pay her afterwards. The bar-fine is only so you are allowed to take her with you during her working hours.

I understand now. Barfines are a complete waste of money and goes 100% yo the middleman. No wonder I don't understand because I always did FL with the occasional massage place when in Thailand.

[David 2]

Um, I kind of differ with your analysis. I think our service expectations are very different than most Asian men. We expect a GFE or a PSE, where most Asian guys are there to get "serviced" and look at a pretty face. Their looks standards are different from ours. They will say theirs are "higher. " However their performance standards are quite a bit lower and that is what makes the Asian dude attractive. The old joke, "3, 3, 3" still applies. 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand Baht. As a WG would you rather have that or a farang guy who is 7 inches plus setting up his drilling rig above you for an hour? So they are getting the same service that we are, they are simply ok with it.

I've also heard a variation of this that goes "3 inches, 3 minutes, and 3 times as much money as everyone else is paying" Either way, it explains a lot.