Bangkok Reports

[Phordphan]

That is a totally irrelevant argument where you are using pure time as a unit of measurement. A skilled HJ, empahsis on skilled, requires much training, investment in education, fees, accommodation, tutorials to reach a level of skill needed.

OK, that is a totally fallacious argument. But so is yours.

I think Sunlover was being sarcastic. "Taking the [CodeWord140]" as my pommie friends like to say.

[Banana Boi]

the "fair and equitable" tip for a HJ should be 5 baht.

Is 5 baht what other guys living in or frequenting BKK often tip? Personally I'd be embarrassed to tip that. I usually tip 20% to any girl I will repeat with again (FKK, escorts and massage girls). If the girl wasn't good service I have no qualms about not tipping.

Also, a good HJ is skilled labour to me. lol

[Aviator12]

Hi all been,

Been BKK many times and its nvr been enough.

Will be there just for 1 night and it's damn Monday. Is there any good clubs links Mixx or cnx Novotel or level worth going? I'm more JN to club scene and having a after party wild things. Not really pricky but need someone to fire the wall.

Any pointers from the forum would be really appreciated. Also if you could help with some hints in Hua Hin.

Cheers!

Monday is no problem in these places normally; Climax (Sukhumvit soi 11), Bossy (Soi Si Ayutthaya) and Bangkok Beat (Sukhumvit soi 7/1). If you are looking for party, drinking and FL's they are all great. If you can stand the music it is your best options in my opinion. But it is difficult to advice since we all have different taste. Personally I like Country Road and Penny Black in Soi Cowboy. It is down to earth and easy to find companions for a fun night. Unless you are a total miser you cannot fail in Bangkok!

[MrPerfectClean]

Nice session with an independent last night, so the ad said, are they really independent or is there a agency or mamasan behind it, probably. Anyway, after getting to Cowboy last night just before midnight and have it all shut down was bit shocked as couldn't see why they'd be closing, didn't see any cops / army hassling people and seemed busy enough. Saw the 'Arab' talked about on threads, can he not be such a cliche'd sleazy looking nightclub owner. Sitting by the door at Baccara. Anyway, am sure he's a top bloke.

Wanted to try the classifieds for a while, see what they were like, found a couple of working girls on Tinder before, which were pretty good value. If I had the energy I should and would put more time into the dating process for someone not working, seems to be a lot of time wasters.

So, this P4P independent was pretty good, felt like a GFE, rimming etc, 3,000, wasn't too worried about the time, had some personality, goes a long way.

[DeathWish]

Hey Peepz,

Reaching BKK this Sunday morning. Staying Near NEP. There in BKK for three nights. Going there solo for the first time. Anybody wants or is already there during the stay let me know. I am a 30 year Indian. (that will put off most of the punters). Would love to meet up.

[Scorchin]

I believe you are being far too generous. If you are seriously looking for a cheap charlie justification (that directly equates to effort) follow this logic:
Minimum wage is Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 30 Baht per hour.
The average HJ takes 10 minutes and is basically easy work, and unskilled labor.
So; at the minimum wage rate of. 5 baht per minute, the "fair and equitable" tip for a HJ should be 5 baht.
Unless you are a quick cummer in which case it is ok to tip less.
SL.

That is a totally irrelevant argument where you are using pure time as a unit of measurement. A skilled HJ, empahsis on skilled, requires much training, investment in education, fees, accommodation, tutorials to reach a level of skill needed.

OK, that is a totally fallacious argument. But so is yours.

[Sunlover2]

In many respects the masseuse has worked less and expended less energy on the HJ than the massage itself. As I wrote, call me cheap, but I believe that at tip of 200 to 300 baht, even though the girls ask fo considerably more is fair and equitable.

I believe you are being far too generous. If you are seriously looking for a cheap charlie justification (that directly equates to effort) follow this logic:

Minimum wage is Thailand is 300 baht per day, or 30 Baht per hour.

The average HJ takes 10 minutes and is basically easy work, and unskilled labor.

So; at the minimum wage rate of. 5 baht per minute, the "fair and equitable" tip for a HJ should be 5 baht.

Unless you are a quick cummer in which case it is ok to tip less.

SL.

[Scorchin]

These girls would rather do this at the current rate than pick rice in a field all day for less, or whatever else choice they have.

Actually no. Many of these girls don't have a choice in that their income provides basic living to an extended family. Many are from families of landless peasant farmers, from families where a parent has died, where they have children of their but a vanished husband. The job has some camaraderie with fellow workers but little else.

Before I get accused of being part of a bleeding hearts campaign. I am not. Just someone not interested in getting a cheap deal.

[Pwrmnd]

In my opinion, 500 Baht is the going rate in Bangkok for a HJ (maybe 400 Baht is ok in some other cities). There is an implicit understanding between them and us that they will get 500 baht. If someone can negotiate for 200 or 300 baht in advance, that's perfectly fine with me. But to take the service without negotiation and then pay only 200-300, below the generally understood rate, is highly questionable behavior (if not paramount to stealing). I'm sure that some do it only because they don't know better, not because they are inherently evil.

But my ethics have nothing to do with "dirty" foreigners, or lack of insurance, or our salaries, or their need to support a family. There's no need to have a guilt trip and feel obliged to bring everyone else in the world up to your standard of living. It's just supply and demand. These girls would rather do this at the current rate than pick rice in a field all day for less, or whatever else choice they have.

[Scorchin]

Tommy.

I am with you. Call me cheap, but 500 baht for a HJ is too much.

FFS, you are mean. Remeber that the girl gets nothing or almost nothing from the house fee, has no insurance, no sick pay, no holiday money. No pension* and you consider £10 or $15 "too much. ".

*all of which you probably get from your job.

For Baht 500 she is going to wank a 'dirty' foreigner to completion to support an extended family and you say that is too much.

By your own admission you are a cheap charlie.

[Johnie]

Tried many of the massage shops around Sukhumvit. Oil massage 400 bath and for HJ they ask 1000 bath, but seems to always be ok with 500 bath. Is 500 bath for a HJ the going rate now? That is more than what I pay for the massage itself, so seems very expensive. Normal in Europe is HJ for half the price you pay for massage, but this is Thailand...

Tommy.

I am with you. Call me cheap, but 500 baht for a HJ is too much. When I am in the LOS I get plenty of sex, wether it be Bangkok or Pattaya with regular GFs, although I usually have a 300 to 400 baht oil massage each day. Nearly always a HJ is on offer but unless I am feeling particularly horny, I decline and say "just massage" and point to the dick. I usually do not want to cum and waste my juice and prefer to save it for pussy. On the rare occasion I give in an let the masseuse finish me off to completion, I give 200 to 300 baht extra, depending on the girl.

In many respects the masseuse has worked less and expended less energy on the HJ than the massage itself. As I wrote, call me cheap, but I believe that at tip of 200 to 300 baht, even though the girls ask fo considerably more is fair and equitable.

Johnie.

[Sunlover2]

Tried many of the massage shops around Sukhumvit. Oil massage 400 bath and for HJ they ask 1000 bath, but seems to always be ok with 500 bath. Is 500 bath for a HJ the going rate now? That is more than what I pay for the massage itself, so seems very expensive. Normal in Europe is HJ for half the price you pay for massage, but this is Thailand...

The Thai currency is baht not bath.

Yes 500 baht is a generally accepted amount for a HJ. Customers who pay more don't know better or are thinking with the little head at that moment.

Think total cost don't fixate on the ratio between massage and HJ. 900 baht total is about 24 euros or 27 USD how much would that service be in Europe?

SL.

[Tommyh80]

Tried many of the massage shops around Sukhumvit. Oil massage 400 bath and for HJ they ask 1000 bath, but seems to always be ok with 500 bath. Is 500 bath for a HJ the going rate now? That is more than what I pay for the massage itself, so seems very expensive. Normal in Europe is HJ for half the price you pay for massage, but this is Thailand...

[Syzygies]

Good to see this forum is still its old xenophobic self with western mongers trying to pat themselves on the back by posting rubbish like bar-girls like asians because they have smaller penises, quicker orgasms and more money to spend and what not.
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So you were offended by the 555 jokes. Your point is you have a big Anaconda or slow to cum or not much money just the same as Farangs?

People are known to over generalise. Working girls do love South east asian looking customers for one reason or another. Maybe polite less hassle cleaner, more money, who cares the reason? I try to be a desired customer also despite taking too long to cum.

I have an asian buddy who drinks a lot to numb his dick so he can last longer. LOL He told me that. I can't afford to drink much alcohol as I might never cum.

So Thailand died as a mongering destination which is why you will return. LOL.

[Syzygies]

Early last week a friend who dances at Suzy Wong called me a little after midnight her time and told me SW had been busted for employing girls who were under 18, the manager and the mamasan had been taken taken to jail and the bar closed. This was a video call from another dancer's apartments in which my friend and several of the girls she works with were enjoying the remainder of the night by throwing a party. A few days latter she called and said SW was still closed, the manager and mamasan were sill in jail and she (my friend) was now working in a Nana gogo. She mentioned nothing about early closings in Soi Cowboy. She believed SW would be closed for "long time" and may not reopen. The most recent Stickman Weekly reported the same. His report included additional information about the incident including that all the gogos on Soi Cowboy were required to shut at midnight for a week. Both Stickman and my friend said this was a police raid; however, the brief shutdown of a few of the oily MPs a few months ago was by the army. This comes from the owners, who I know, of two of the MPs that had been raided.

Strangely I got a slightly different story from one girl captured by the Police. Approx 5 or 6 girls taken away. The one telling me was not too young but rather not Thai. She was released. However only Thais are allowed to work. One of service staff was taken as Police thought she was the mamasan. Most girls locked up were too young. I believe 2 remain in custody. Its just the story I am hearing.

Police are now visting all bars regularly in all venues. This may be an exaggerated story and this will calm down soon. Cowboy closing at 12 am but not Crazy House.

Police may well check bars in the daytime for girls staying above.