Jakarta

[LA Guy 5]

I suggest a stop to giving the poor guy a hard time. He is very satisfied with the service he gets at Classic. So be it.

I have never been there and on the ratio of positive versus negative reviews I doubt I ever will, but to each his own.

Regards,

Ko.

That would be fine, if he hadn't suggested, or strongly implied, the reason some of us find the service at Classic sub-standard is because we are showing up with body odor, dirty t-shirts, and so forth. And then trying to give us a lesson on how to overcome such inadequacies. After polluting this board with such nonsense, I don't think I would categorize him as a "poor guy" or victim here.

And I am truly interested in knowing the other places he visited in Jakarta, and how in his mind Classic stacked up relative to them. I look forward to him sharing this information after which, assuming he shares it in a neutral manner, I won't continue with him.

[Member #4410]

OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you experienced the same level of service as Classic. The answers to these questions will provide a context for interpreting your statements about how good you find the service at Classic.
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I suggest a stop to giving the poor guy a hard time. He is very satisfied with the service he gets at Classic. So be it.

I have never been there and given the ratio of positive versus negative reviews I doubt I ever will, but to each his own.

Regards,

Ko.

[LA Guy 5]

Good discussion here about Classic, I understand the points you are making. However, in the P4 P game, most men assume if they received bad service from a girl, she must be providing bad service to all guys. The hard cold fact is, a hooker may provide bad service to one guy, and the next guy she provides good service. Therefore, it is a mistake to think just because you had starfish service from a girl at Classic, that no one can possibly have good service there.

There are many post from other guys on this website that had good service from Classic. These are the simple facts. In my post, I stated a disclaimer, that all guys will not have the exact same experience I did, whatever the reason maybe.

Regarding the cost of tips and compare prices of flights, etc. , I am at the stage in my life, after having a successful professional career, that such small amounts of money -- are just that, small amounts of money. Simply stated, I can more than afford it. Each man should spend according to what is right for him, since it is his money. If what I spend is too much for someone else, then so be it.

One last thought on this topic. If Classic provided bad service to all men, Classic would have went out of business long time ago. That is a simple fact.

Do some men receive bad service from classic girls, yes. Do all men receive bad service from all the girls all the time, no. Just like any other sex outlet service levels will very from guy to guy.

This idea that since I had good time at Classic, I must not know what good service is (a statement made by another member here) is simply silly. Any adult male that pays for sex knows the difference between good and bad service. Again, just because you do not have good service at Classic, does not mean all guys will have bad service at Classic.

OK, Mr. Undercoverh. Let's try this a different way. Please tell us each and every place in Jakarta that you have visited (incall or outcall) in which you have had worse service on average than you have had at Classic. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you have had better service than Classic on average. And then please tell us each and every place in Jakarta where you experienced the same level of service as Classic. The answers to these questions will provide a context for interpreting your statements about how good you find the service at Classic.

One other thing: That Classic has a lot of customers does not in any sense mean the girls there give good service, just as the fact Nataree in Bangkok has a lot of customers does not mean the girls there give good service. The choice as to which P4P places to give business to depends on a combination of factors--looks, service, price, age, ambiance--and just because the balance of factors might lead a number of customers to frequent the establishment does not mean the girls there give good service, particularly when the other factors score high.

As Smoothy correctly points out, quite a few men buy blow-up dolls, but that doesn't mean blow-up dolls give good service. I would agree though the girls at Classic on average give better service--albeit not by so much- than do blow-up dolls. I also would think a man who spends a lot of time with blow-up dolls likely would consider the service at Classic quite good compared to the standard he is accustomed to. Everything is relative.

[Smoothy]

So true. Everyone has different expectations. Beauty and service is in the eye of the beholder. For example, some guys enjoy screwing a blow up sex doll purchased from the local adult sex shop, while others don't. I wouldn't want one, but they sure seem to sell a lot of them or they wouldn't make them. Nothing wrong with it. Different strokes for different folks.

[Undercoverh]

After tip, it's equivalent to 1000 baht. Considering your discount flight from Bangkok will still cost around 8,000 baht, you could have had a very good time that weekend in Bangkok for the over 10,000 baht you spent.

The $35 (I don't consider $27 to be accurate because you still have to tip. Tip is required, it is not "not required" unless the girl was a complete disaster or you are unethical) they charge at Classic seems like an awesome bargain. 2 girls at once appears to even be more of a bargain (it's not due to even worse service). As it's been stated many times over the last 10 years or so on this forum, the girls there are young and nice looking. The service is normally starfish with no passion 95% of the time. I can't say that I don't enjoy that myself as well at times, cheap and young even if the girl gives a lazy blow job then just lays there is still ok. Then other times, I prefer hot, passionate sex at places other than Classic. And yes, that is normally with a girl not quite as young, but not always. It just depends what you are looking for.

Variety is the spice of life. We all get bored of the place we live, so I can understand why you would want to sample new girls. I've lived in both Jakarta and Bangkok and I do prefer Bangkok a bit more for mongering (the girls are naughtier), but Jakarta is great too.

As far as wearing flip flops, I don't even own a pair of flip flops. I do wear tennis shoes and jeans at times, but I'm always well maintained. If I am going after work I wear dress shoes, slacks, dress shirt (very rarely a jacket or tie). I've not seen a difference in the quality of service I get regardless of how I dress. But I do agree that if guys go in there dirty (bule jaksa), they may get worse service.

Good discussion here about Classic, I understand the points you are making. However, in the P4 P game, most men assume if they received bad service from a girl, she must be providing bad service to all guys. The hard cold fact is, a hooker may provide bad service to one guy, and the next guy she provides good service. Therefore, it is a mistake to think just because you had starfish service from a girl at Classic, that no one can possibly have good service there.

There are many post from other guys on this website that had good service from Classic. These are the simple facts. In my post, I stated a disclaimer, that all guys will not have the exact same experience I did, whatever the reason maybe.

Regarding the cost of tips and compare prices of flights, etc. , I am at the stage in my life, after having a successful professional career, that such small amounts of money -- are just that, small amounts of money. Simply stated, I can more than afford it. Each man should spend according to what is right for him, since it is his money. If what I spend is too much for someone else, then so be it.

One last thought on this topic. If Classic provided bad service to all men, Classic would have went out of business long time ago. That is a simple fact.

Do some men receive bad service from classic girls, yes. Do all men receive bad service from all the girls all the time, no. Just like any other sex outlet service levels will very from guy to guy.

This idea that since I had good time at Classic, I must not know what good service is (a statement made by another member here) is simply silly. Any adult male that pays for sex knows the difference between good and bad service. Again, just because you do not have good service at Classic, does not mean all guys will have bad service at Classic.

[Smoothy]

Cost with the girl was 350 IDR. That is somehting like $27. Plus tip, which is up to you and not required. Wow, for $27 and 70 girls to choose from, most around 18 to 22, what a deal.

After tip, it's equivalent to 1000 baht. Considering your discount flight from Bangkok will still cost around 8,000 baht, you could have had a very good time that weekend in Bangkok for the over 10,000 baht you spent.

The $35 (I don't consider $27 to be accurate because you still have to tip. Tip is required, it is not "not required" unless the girl was a complete disaster or you are unethical) they charge at Classic seems like an awesome bargain. 2 girls at once appears to even be more of a bargain (it's not due to even worse service). As it's been stated many times over the last 10 years or so on this forum, the girls there are young and nice looking. The service is normally starfish with no passion 95% of the time. I can't say that I don't enjoy that myself as well at times, cheap and young even if the girl gives a lazy blow job then just lays there is still ok. Then other times, I prefer hot, passionate sex at places other than Classic. And yes, that is normally with a girl not quite as young, but not always. It just depends what you are looking for.

Variety is the spice of life. We all get bored of the place we live, so I can understand why you would want to sample new girls. I've lived in both Jakarta and Bangkok and I do prefer Bangkok a bit more for mongering (the girls are naughtier), but Jakarta is great too.

As far as wearing flip flops, I don't even own a pair of flip flops. I do wear tennis shoes and jeans at times, but I'm always well maintained. If I am going after work I wear dress shoes, slacks, dress shirt (very rarely a jacket or tie). I've not seen a difference in the quality of service I get regardless of how I dress. But I do agree that if guys go in there dirty (bule jaksa), they may get worse service.

[LA Guy 5]

Side note: I had seen a Western guy there, dressed in flip flops, tea shirt, and cargo shorts, and the tea shirt was a little dirty. I thought back to some of the post here from guys stating the girls at HC did not give them good service. Or, it was not a GFE. Do not get me wrong, I am not putting any guy down. But from the girls POV, maybe there is not a GFE or not good service because the guys does not present himself well (e. G. , body odor, dirty clothes, etc.). Yes, they are hookers, but still they are young women, and of course they will not be turned on having to bang a guy that has body odor and dirty clothes.

There is a misconception that hookers should provide good service and GFE no matter what type of guy they have to bang. That is of course unrealistic.

C'mon buddy, get real. Just because you saw one westerner with a dirty t-shirt doesn't mean that those of us who get much better service at other locales in Jakarta than Classic are getting poor service there because we go there in dirty t-shirts and are better dressed when we get the better service elsewhere. I, for one, always wear long pants and usually have a shirt with a collar on when I go to any of these places. The worst service I have had in Jakarta is at Classic and Travel.

Of course, if one doesn't, e.g., partake in DFK then that the girls at Classic generally don't give it whereas at many other locales they do wouldn't affect one's judgment of the level of service at Classic relative to the other places. But don't confuse the fact you may have lower standards for service than many of the rest of us here do for some sort of superior studliness on your part.

[Undercoverh]

Got bored with the BKK same old stuff, needed to get out of town for the weekend. Found a cheap flight from BKK to Jakarta. Booked a discounted hotel rate at a hotel next door to Hotel Classic (called G7 Hotel on agoda website). Left BKK after work on Friday night and returned to Bkk late Sunday night.

By-the-way, checkout a good hiden video on you tube entitled "Striptiest Hotel Classic Jakarta" which takes a look inside Classic Hotel and shows lots of girls. One of the first girls shown (as she is walking back to her seat) has a cute perfect little ass in her short dress.

On Saturday, went to Hotel Classic and was thrown off by the overwhelming number of girls. I quickly counted at least 70 girls. WTF! I walked up to get a closer look and for the first time, in a long time, I felt a little nervous having so many young girls looking at me. It was a crazy fun time of being nervous. I could not help but smile and many of the girls which most all of them returned the smile. Mama was pushy, but that does not affect me. I deal with pushy Asians all the time in busines, so no big deal, I know how to handle them.

I took my time, and made my selection. I picked an 18 year old girl, not the most cute there, but she gave me the biggest smiles, like she really wanted me to F her. To clarify, she was not the most cute there, but she was still attractive to me. I liked her nice round ass, long hair, sexy eyes, nice size breast and happy attitude. When she took off her clothes, her as was perfect round and sexy. I got hard just looking at her taking off her clothes. Nice big brown nipples on a medium size breast. Had a good time with her. She and I got along well and we were both playful with each other. BBBJ, touched as I pleased which was softly, light kissing but not tongue kissing as I do not like that with a hooker. Since you get one shot for up to an hour, I took my time banging her in serveral positons. Her pussy was nice, wet, and tight. I shot my load, and we rested for a while, then showered. Sweet girl with good service to me, so I gave her 100 IDR. She was very happy with the tip and gave me a kiss and hug.

Side note: I had seen a Western guy there, dressed in flip flops, tea shirt, and cargo shorts, and the tea shirt was a little dirty. I thought back to some of the post here from guys stating the girls at HC did not give them good service. Or, it was not a GFE. Do not get me wrong, I am not putting any guy down. But from the girls POV, maybe there is not a GFE or not good service because the guys does not present himself well (e. G. , body odor, dirty clothes, etc.). Yes, they are hookers, but still they are young women, and of course they will not be turned on having to bang a guy that has body odor and dirty clothes.

There is a misconception that hookers should provide good service and GFE no matter what type of guy they have to bang. That is of course unrealistic. Yes, they are required to bang the guy mama sayes to bang, but that does not mean the girl has to enjoy it or provide a GFE. As for me, when I go to the MP or SPAs, Hotel Classic, etc. , I dress nice, genearlly in busines shoes, tailor made business slacks and shirt. Clean shaven with nice cologne. Now, I am not suggesting that all men do this, do what you like. As for me, this is how I present myself. And, I am happy and a nice guy with the girls in additon to being playful and not demanding. Maybe this is why my experience at places like Hotel Classic has been good.

Cost with the girl was 350 IDR. That is somehting like $27. Plus tip, which is up to you and not required. Wow, for $27 and 70 girls to choose from, most around 18 to 22, what a deal. On youtube, some guy took an hidden video inside Hotel Classic. To view the video, type in "Striptiest Hotel Classic Jakarta" and you will see the large number of young women. Also, in my opnion, the girls at $27 with killer bodies and shape, are far above what I could find at the same price in BKK. Since I was there for the weekend, I banged two the first day. One in the early evening and another late at night around 1 am.

Here is the floor information.

Basement, looks like the spa is there.

1st floor, massage referred to as Bunker

2nd floor, Classic Terminal, sexy dancers

3rd floor, Karaoke room

5th floor, Classic Terminal II, big area with girls.

This is based on my notes and it should be mostly correct, but not perfect.


Disclaimer:

The information provided is based on my opinions and my experinces at the Hotel Classic. Which does not mean you will have the exact same experience, or that you have had the same experince in the past at Hotel Classic. For whatever reason, some men do not like HC and some men enjoy it. I happen to be in the group that has had a good time with the girls at Hotel Classic.

[Smoothy]

As far back as early '90's, LOL!

I'm sure the early 90's were great, but that's before my time. I first arrived in town in 1998 and the Blok was absolutely the best place in Jakarta at that time and remained so until My Bar changed the Blok. But the Blok has had it's good periods and down periods since then. My Bar is crap, but I still love Top Gun, and D's is a great place to hang out.

[Traveler1234]

Yes, if you only had a short visit just over a year ago, you probably wouldn't know. But the Blok was THE place to be in Jakarta in the past. The Blok used to rock. Top Gun is still good on occasion.

As far back as early '90's, LOL!

[Smoothy]

If Blok M was ever in fact "charming", well I certainly never witnessed that during my short visit to the Area over a year ago.

Yes, if you only had a short visit just over a year ago, you probably wouldn't know. But the Blok was THE place to be in Jakarta in the past. The Blok used to rock. Top Gun is still good on occasion.

[Lost99]

The Blok is definitely not what it was when I first started going several years ago.

In the past it used to be half old hags and a few teen amateurs especially on weekends, but now it's just total hags everywhere. Top Gun, the's Place and even My Bar. Anyone notice the same thing?

I think the younger ones moved on to CJ and BATS, because I saw familiar faces there. Anyway, that's good news for us because it increases supply making it even harder than it is already for the average girl to hook up. I have been getting 1 juta ST at CJ's and BATS the last few times without much challenge, which wasn't the case when it used to be emptier.

If Blok M was ever in fact "charming", well I certainly never witnessed that during my short visit to the Area over a year ago. Sure, the band at Top Gun was entertaining, but in terms of ladies not much more than those past their prime. I could see the appeal for American / European Expats who just want a laid-back drinking hole with a bit of 'sinister' temptation and fun on the side, but if your primary motivation is to seek fresh young chicks, instead of old worn hens, you are best served looking elsewhere like CJs or BATS. Even at those places, there aren't many "chicks", most likely mature "chickens", but better than the old "hens" of Blok M.

[Member #4537]

The Blok is definitely not what it was when I first started going several years ago.

In the past it used to be half old hags and a few teen amateurs especially on weekends, but now it's just total hags everywhere. Top Gun, the's Place and even My Bar. Anyone notice the same thing?

I think the younger ones moved on to CJ and BATS, because I saw familiar faces there. Anyway, that's good news for us because it increases supply making it even harder than it is already for the average girl to hook up. I have been getting 1 juta ST at CJ's and BATS the last few times without much challenge, which wasn't the case when it used to be emptier.

[Undercoverh]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.

I have used Agoda for the past 7 years and never had a problem. However, most of the discounted very low rates are nonrefundable. Agoda will send you an email with your voucher. You can also call the hotel to confirm the rate based on the voucher number. I have used the discount nonrefundable rates when I booked online the day before I arrive. That way I know I will be going to the hotel and nonrefundable is not an issue. I am in Bkk so I also book discounted rates for air and hotel to other Asian cities close by. That is the great thing about being in Asian, there is always some discount on air and flight which makes a weekend of sex fun very easy in another country.

[Undercoverh]

I just checked out the Mercure Kota on Agoda. The hotel looks real good, BUT I am a little suspicious because the rate quoted - $28 for a deluxe room and $32 for executive room seems very low to me. Usually when something is too good to be true something is wrong, for example, is there any noisy construction / remodeling going on inside the hotel. So has anybody stayed at this hotel recently and paid these unusually low rates? It just seems like a really really good deal for a nice 3. 5 star hotel. Is it too good is all I am asking.

I have used Agoda for the past 7 years and never had a problem. However, most of the discounted very low rates are nonrefundable. Agoda will send you an email with your voucher. You can also call the hotel to confirm the rate based on the voucher number. I have used the discount nonrefundable rates when I booked online the day before I arrive. That way I know I will be going to the hotel and nonrefundable is not an issue. I am in Bkk so I also book discounted rates for air and hotel to other Asian cities close by. That is the great thing about being in Asian, there is always some discount on air and flight which makes a weekend of sex fun very easy in another country.