East China - Shanghai

[Shanghai Guide]

Starting from today in China will hold an important holiday because of the "Commemoration of 70th Anniversary of Victory of Chinese People's Resistance against Japanese Aggression and Anti-Fascist War". This is a very big and important event for China, combined for example with a huge parade in Beijing on the People's Square.

Because of that it is already announced, that many saunas will get order to close in Shanghai this days (the festival end on 5th). For example in Ming Hui district probably 90% of the sauna clubs have been advised to close their doors.

Jing An Area (for example Kang Ding Sauna) till now have no plan to close, but also can happen on a short note, so for all guys who plan to monger around the next 3 days, better check, if your target location is still open before you go over there.

Nevertheless,

Have fun.

[Shanghai Guide]

JPopp had posted some positive review of Bilaya sauna. Went there tonight. Walked down the dark driveway / alleyway. Saw one guy sitting on a chair. He was not doing anything but sat there in the dark. Figured he was the look out. Asked him where is the sauna. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. Wandered around looking, the guy did not even look up at me when I walked back and forth. Can someone steer me in the right direction, here or by PM? Thanks.

The place is very good hidden in the backyard. And even if you know their building number, it will not work, because the entry to the backyard is not in the exact row where this number would you expect to be. Cost's me half an hour to find it when I first went there to discover this place last year.

And actual it is common policy, that the guards don't give out any information and pretend to know nothing about a sauna, as long as you not know the "key code", what mostly would be a contact name in there. If you would have asked him for a specific person working there, he would probably have guided you to there.

In Baliya sauna (I think this is the one you talk about), there is always a guy outside at the street as part of their "pre warning system". So a upcoming police raid will be realized very early and they have a lot of time to bring their guests out till the police finally would arrive in the service area.

Have fun,

[Dirk67]

This visit ended up visiting the MP mentioned a page back, tried Kang Ding again (location was more convenient), did a little bit of scouting, and Judy's.

1) Judy's -- Went on a weekend night, arrived around 10:30-11 pm. Was packed, but ratio was very good. There were a lot of girls sitting around looking bored, but later as the night went on around 12-1 am started dancing. Band was pretty decent. As soon as I walked in a found a spot, a Chinese girl latched on. Says she is from Qingdao and the only Chinese girl there. She was nice and a good sport, but English not so good and not my type. I got the sense she would probably be wild in bed though.

After I politely excused her, an African girl approached. Nice girl, fun, doesn't drink because she's Muslim. Interesting how people pick and choose parts of their religion to stick to. Not my type so I excuse myself again. Throughout the night, I'm trying to scout the room, and really only see 2-3 girls that I really like. The first girl that latched on probably helped, as nobody approached and I could look around when she was facing away. But the bad part was I lost a couple that ended up leaving with guys.

Later, at the bar, a pretty cute Viet approached me (she had been making eyes earlier). She latched on and danced and grabbed jr through my clothes. Ok, promising. While I wanted to see if something better was around, it was getting late and she seemed to really like me (which would later translate to an amazing experience). She seemed totally sweet and not hardened, and actually quoted a very reasonable 1000ST and 1500 LT. I decided to go for it.

Back at my place, and after separate showers and teeth brushed, she has multiple Os from DATY and sex (many positions, her making a ton of noise and DFK). No lube required. After we take a quick nap, I tell her I have an early morning and she says "I go now?" And she grabs the 1000+100 taxi I placed on the table. No muss, no fuss, sweet, honest, and fun. She goes by "Lisa". Probably 30's Viet but looks late 20's.

2) Jinglin? MP at Kangding Lu and Xikang. No lights but there is a manned entrance, not 100% sure this was the place mentioned a page back but it was the only place within a block or two. Somewhat busy corner. Walked in, and it felt more like a sauna. Directed downstairs and into a room with a shower. A girl comes in and I ask to see another, the next one is cute so we get on with it. She's fun and conversational, and tall. Nice, slim body. Solid 7-7. 5. At the end, got a regular he with some UTC action and top off. But nothing else offered. She declined keeping in touch, maybe need to visit a few more times.

While walking around the area (in a 10-20 minute radius West / South), saw a bunch of MPs, not sure if these are legit, or if possible to take out.

3) Decided to visit Kang Ding Sauna, which was open despite upcoming winds. I figured it was the type of place that you could cover up quickly. This time was much better than my first visit. Much wider selection, a little more activity though the facilities are still kind of sad and gross compared to Macau and Ming Hui. Lots of girls available at the lower A, M, Q levels, I selected an M girl who was from Haerbin, and who gave me a sly look in the fishbowl. She turned out to be a ton of fun in the room, and she ended up having an O as well (or was a fantastic actress). Gave me some excuse about it being against policy and fines / getting fired for sharing info though.

Lastly, around my hotel when walking around for food, I see a lot of little places that say "foot massage" off on side streets with just a couple of scantily clad girls inside. Didn't see any particularly cute girls, so I didn't check them out, but I assume these are BBS type places?

[NorthSouth]

JPopp had posted some positive review of Bilaya sauna. Went there tonight. Walked down the dark driveway / alleyway. Saw one guy sitting on a chair. He was not doing anything but sat there in the dark. Figured he was the look out. Asked him where is the sauna. He said he didn't know what I was talking about. Wandered around looking, the guy did not even look up at me when I walked back and forth. Can someone steer me in the right direction, here or by PM? Thanks.

[Turgid]

Seems there are guys outside, who think the ass of Kim Kardashian is attractive. For my personal taste, her shape is so "unattractive", that she could dance naked in front of me and I would not even get turned on a little bit

I remember decades ago having a discussion with a colleague at work who said he was not attracted to African American women and Asian women. He was only attracted to Caucasian women. I remember thinking how fortunate I was because I am attracted to all ethnicities as long as the woman is clean and healthy. Therefore, theoretically, I had a much wider range of possible lays than he did. As far as Kim Kardashian is concerned I get horny just looking at her photo.

[Mike921]

I have had a work visa / permit for more than 10 years in China. I was only tested to get it the first time and never again. I am not sure if it is needed if you change jobs.

Been here more than 5 years, changed jobs several times, never a physical beyond the first one.

[SamCan]

For those of you that said SNG was expensive, they have a discount deal on 4-5 girls. Some have dropped their price to 999 RMB for an hour. Some have taken their one hour price and promised 2 hours.

Now is the chance to give it a try. I putt this out there because I don't see shanghai again until October. Maybe if this is working for the girls the discount will keep going until I can get tthere.

Take a try and report back. Just like I have.

SAMCAN, can you?

[Fritobugger]

When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet. In China it is on every menu and I love it. While I have no symptom, I think I should do STD testing once in a while as a precaution. What is the most hassle free way to have it done here in Shanghai?

Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.

I have had a work visa / permit for more than 10 years in China. I was only tested to get it the first time and never again. I am not sure if it is needed if you change jobs.

[Kib123]

In descending order: Prague, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Rotterdam. Either I was unlucky, or I needed to shower more often.

Strange indeed! I can't speak for Madrid or Rotterdam (never been), but the others on your list (besides Ams) are all BBBJ all the time for me.

[NorthSouth]

In descending order: Prague, Amsterdam, Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Paris, Rotterdam. Either I was unlucky, or I needed to shower more often.

[Kib123]

This girls are what Chinese call "car models". Literally it comes from the girls who will be used for the typical Chinese styled car show, where every brand will have several models in sexy clothes around their product. This girls matched to the Chinese ideal beauty (Tall, slim, big boobs) and several of them also offer a "special service" for outcall. The most sauna managers have contact to some of them to be able to help customers out with special requests, and Chinese guys are very generous. I know models who also get 50.000 for a short time from Chinese guys.

Here the mentality difference becomes clear. While many foreigners expect to get better service or something special, if they pay more, the Chinese are OK to show, that they are able to pay more. I explain that with an easy story.

So my summery: if you expect to get a very good service or a special experience, than the car model girls should not be your first choice.

Have fun out there.

Shanghai G,

Your comments are very refreshing and informative. And though you are right that the show-off mentality may be more pervasive in China, the take-home message of your story seems true everywhere. The hotter a girl thinks she is, the more entitled she feels to the contents of your bank account without much effort. The really expensive providers are never worth it, except for bragging, even in the good ole US of A.

And what I find irritating is that mongers tend grossly overrate their experiences with these providers, maybe out of a desire not to appear to have been taken. Unfortunately this ends up perpetuating the scam.

[Kib123]

When I was mongering in Canada, Australia and Europe, BBBJ was as rare as the coming of Haley's Comet.

Where were you mongering in Europe? I almost think they invented BBBJ over there, because except for Amsterdam where CBJ is a 50:50, I have never been offered CBJ anywhere else on that lovely ('mongeratively' speaking) continent.

[Sinofaguo]

Also I think to renew the work visa, you may have to pass a physical examination each year. If one tests positive, it is better to know that and get treated prior to the official visa physical.

FYI hospitals are required to inform the authorities if a foreigner is detected positive.

That is why it is recommended to test outside of mainland (ie HK).

Laws are meant to have changed (HIV positive are meant not to be banned from China anymore) but who knows what they really do and the reason they'll use to deny you entry if they do.

[BlahMan333]

I guess this question is the most popular one I hear form guests and visitors.

But to give an answer is impossible!

Because the taste of each guy I met is totally different. I often guide customers to saunas, than join and support him by the girls selection out of the pool.

My personal game here is to guess, which one I think he would select. And to win this "game" never works. Often my guest select the girl which is the most unattractive girl in the fishbowl (at least for my taste). But nevertheless the guys will tell me later, that they never had sex with a stunner like that before.

There are so many different criteria that will finally follow to the result, that a girl is pretty, and (luckily) we not all have the same criteria and also not the same weighting of these criteria.

Seems there are guys outside, who think the ass of Kim Kardashian is attractive. For my personal taste, her shape is so "unattractive", that she could dance naked in front of me and I would not even get turned on a little bit (in Germany we call that: "a ass like a brewery horse", and who ever saw the brewery horses on the October Fest parade will know what I mean).

For some guy the girl need some meat, others only like very slim or even skinny, some girls like tall, others tiny, others like small hips, others not. Some think the typical Chinese flat face is totally ugly, others think it's attractive..

Fascinating, thanks everyone. I tend to keep quiet about my sauna visits so I definitely won't be bragging to anyone about paying for a car model. I would probably regret the damage to my wallet -- some of my best experiences have been with the cheaper girls for sure. That point about Chinese people wanting to show off that they can afford to waste money makes a lot of sense. I've heard of karaoke joints (regular singing, not sex oriented) that cost 10,000 rmb per night which seems crazy to me. To me nothing is better than a great GFE session with a friendly, pretty girl that doesn't break the bank. Feels good all around.

[NorthSouth]

The price of 5000 rmb is not SUPER expensive for a WOW girl. Think of what you have to pay for a high end girl in NYC, London or Amsterdam. You may spend that amount easily in an upscale KTV in Shanghai and have no pay off at all.

And 5000 rmb will get you an economy seat on a plane. I still recall with dread my last trip back to the States: long flight delays, lousy airplane food, intrusive security check, the long flight etc. I would much rather spend the 5000 rmb riding what you call a super end high girl (or 6 value girls based on a rough average of your usual range) than the plane seat.