Kyiv

[Horny Monger]

I still don't quite understand your nervosity or problem with an agency girl. Is it because you think that an agency girls is forced against her will unlike non-agency girls, or that the agency is taking too much of a cut?

Not just the girl but also the driver / pimp. I'd like to avoid situation like that; in case, something went wrong.

[Horny Monger]

UN effin'BELIEVABLE. At lunch I had 5 girls lining up to see me. But I wanted to meet a new talent, so I held off the others as backup. The new girl who showed up, was nothing like the photo. SO I send her away, then girls 2 and 3, who msged me almost every day since I came to Kiev on Friday tell me they are having a temperature and don't feel well so if I can meet them tomorrow. Then new girl number 4 says after almost an hour waiting if it won't be better if I come to her instead of her to me. After making a couple of jokey remarks about that, she deletes her profile. ANd then girl number 5 just tells me it is already late and it is better to meet tomorrow.

Well, I guess this is also Kiev. So far I really am not liking September in Kiev.

Not uncommon at all.

Girls fleaks out like that all the time!

They can really consume loads and loads of your time.

You can arrange the meeting time after time, they may fleak out again and again and that's not uncommon either.

For short visitors can be very frustrating!

That's why people end up with Gia or in Rio. (LOL)

[Epicurus]

I just don't like to see a girl (I don't know: pro, or semi-pro or amateur) in an unmarked car, which could be an agency driver, salon driver, pimps driver. It makes me nervous! Almost all the time, I would stop such meeting as soon as I see that. A girl waiting in a car with a driver (indicates to me she might have something to do with the driver); instead of her coming out and the car gone out of sight.

I still don't quite understand your nervosity or problem with an agency girl. Is it because you think that an agency girls is forced against her will unlike non-agency girls, or that the agency is taking too much of a cut?

Or is it because there is less chance of something happening if she's an agency girl. I agree with you on that, but not impossible. Girls in Kiev are usually semi-pro, wether they get jobs via an agency or not. It has happened to me often enough that girls gave me their private numbers to reach them directly and not via their despatcher.

[AColonizer]

What do people do when they are poor and they don't want to work because there are a lot of foreign gentlemen? Easy to guess: they invent one thousands ways to scam them! That's something similar to the tale of the countryside mouse and the town mouse.

Case 1- Contacted, by Mamba site, a girl for 150 $/12 hours, she came in time, she was ten years older than pictures, I decided to give her half money now and half money tomorrow morning, she wanted all money immediately, I'll trying to convince her this the best deal for both, she wasted time with personal tales (time to think what to do) and phone calls (her boyfriend / manager) and slim cigarettes (cigarettes just less strong than narcotics), I realized she didn't want to work and she was awaiting to run away with my money and to go to her boyfriend near my apartment, I gave taxi money and sent her away. I say, in my statistics, each face and appearance correspond to a specific mindset and behavior, therefore I wished to send her away from the first moment, but I wanted to challenge myself.

Case 2 - Contacted, by a prostitute site, an usual abbess / manageress (who always receives orders from a male boss) at +3806xxxxxx41, I asked for a young, blue-eyed, big busty girl, she sent a girl by a private light-grey car license plate AI8138 BI (not a regular taxi), a girl got out, she was pretty old, blonde, eyes with blue-colored contact lenses, she wanted taxi money immediately, I gave it, she wanted sex money immediately to give it to the driver (try to guess: who is the driver? Then I catch taxi money from her hand like a cat, I sent her away, the car remained five minutes on the road, maybe the girl and the driver were talking about something was wrong, I am sure the driver said the typical bullshit of Slavic men.

Now I am dealing with some girls in Mamba site but they are revealing a low-end brothel that publishes profiles of beautiful girls as bait-and-switch / stalking horses / mirror for larks and then that low-end brothel sends worn-out girls who try to scam gentlemen as much as possible.

This afternoon this girl arrived in an unmarked black car (the car looked quite new), which she called a taxi. She looks quite plain, skinny and older than her reported age.

I asked her telling the taxi to leave then I'll meet her and give her the taxi money but she insisted that I give her the taxi money to pay the taxi then meet. She claimed she didn't have any money, but how did she left with the same taxi after 25 min without any money? I aslo asked her why did she take the taxi if she didn't have any money to pay for it and why didn't she just take the metro. She didn't say anything but just kept on asking if I have money and if I'll pay the taxi. At the end, I ask her: "Are you an agency?" and she said she didn't understand. I told her again: "I think you are an agency! You and this unmarked black car makes me nervous!" Tell the black car / taxi to leave. Shortly, she left with the black car.

Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome as to what's going on here with this girl's acton.

[Horny Monger]

It's good to look for your money, but not taking a (private) taxi in Kiew produces you as a super-cheapnik.

Serious, 100-200 Griwna for a taxi is fine for most inner city routes, not any kind of scam. And thinking about it, I guess she felt for sure more safe to find any way to pay the driver later on, than to stay. Maybe he got to taste her for the ride.

Thanks for your input and thoughful advice.

No one care about 200 grivnas! (LOL).

Didn't you read the post below in which I gave a girl, whom I didn't even have sex with, 500 grivnas. And I didn't plan to ever have sex with her.

At least, she didn't come with an umarked car sitting inside with the driver waiting.

Like I said, I don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver.

It would have been perfectly ok if either she came with a legal taxi or she paid the driver first then asked me for that money.

I had already said to her quite a few times that I would give her that money, which is actually more than what the illegal taxi costed.

[Epicurus]

UN effin'BELIEVABLE. At lunch I had 5 girls lining up to see me. But I wanted to meet a new talent, so I held off the others as backup. The new girl who showed up, was nothing like the photo. SO I send her away, then girls 2 and 3, who msged me almost every day since I came to Kiev on Friday tell me they are having a temperature and don't feel well so if I can meet them tomorrow. Then new girl number 4 says after almost an hour waiting if it won't be better if I come to her instead of her to me. After making a couple of jokey remarks about that, she deletes her profile. ANd then girl number 5 just tells me it is already late and it is better to meet tomorrow.

Well, I guess this is also Kiev. So far I really am not liking September in Kiev.

[Reef LostCause]

You're way off, dude!

Plenty of student girls and respectful office workers take the Metro or public transport.

And if you have no money and take a taxi, that's foolish.

It's even more foolish to come in an unmarked / illegal taxi and tell a foreign person that it's a taxi!

There are millions of "unmarked" taxis all around the world. That's called Uber.

[Horny Monger]

Man, that's extreme rude. Taking the Metro is considered low. And way low beyond anything expected of a foreigner to think of. Real Ladies don't take the metro. That's for old babushkas.

You're way off, dude!

Plenty of student girls and respectful office workers take the Metro or public transport.

And if you have no money and take a taxi, that's foolish.

It's even more foolish to come in an unmarked / illegal taxi and tell a foreign person that it's a taxi!

[Horny Monger]

Dude,

I really don't understand what you're expecting. Taxi is a general term for having someone drive you. In Kiev (and most of FSU) it's perfect normal to stop a car en route and haggle for a ride.

Every Lady. Really, everyone, not just working girls. Got several numbers of people who earn some additional dough by doing privat taxi. I'd be rather suspicious when a normal person show up with a marked taxi.

And if she's a working girl, she usually has a driver who's even waiting to pick her up later on. That's pretty much standard.

Hey Dude!

The thing is I don't know if it's a taxi if it's unmarked!

As I said in the post below, I don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver. So when any girl, pretty or not, shows up with a driver in an unmarked car waiting makes it suspicious.

I would rather pay her the higher taxi fare with an marked / legal taxi!

I don't need to save a couple of grivnas with the unmarked / illegal taxi, which might not even be a taxi and might be a pimp's car.

I've never seen a respectful Ukrainian or other foreingers taking an unmarked / illegal taxi.

You're obviously dealing with different kind of people.

[Horny Monger]

Hi, I should have been more clear on my last post to this subject. You are most likely dealing with a salon / brothel and not an agency like Gia. You mentioned that agencies send girls on time and that's generally true. But when you are dealing with a salon, they will delay delivering the girl until it is convenient for them. The problem with Kiev salons is they cater to locals and the quality is generally low. Theirs no issue for them to fancy up a druggy streetwalker and send her over to your place. As a general rule, quality girls want nothing to do with cab drivers or men that might suspect what they do.

I'm a Kiev novice, so take it with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the clarification. I fully agree with you! I certianly don't want to see the girl has anything to do with the cab driver. So when any girl, pretty or not, shows up with a driver in an unmarked car waiting makes it suspicious. And makes me nervous because there could be trouble during the current environment in Kiev.

[Horny Monger]

I prefer July over September. Weather was better, girls better dressed and it seems more girls in the park and on the street. Now they all have to go to college, or they have to be somewhere, not just walking around. I also like to be busy during the day and none of my current contacts can, only in the evening or in the weekend. And the quality of the massage parlors during the day is pretty bad.

It's gotten so bad, I even start to look at GIA. What's up with so many photos of the girl's feet? Is it trendy now to have a foot fetish in Kiev?

As soon as September arrives, the weather becomes generally cold and rainy and girls have to go to schools and they become pretty busy! Weekends they have training and family time; so the girls, who you hooked up with the month before, may have very limited time with you.

[Horny Monger]

Could you explain what worries you about an agency girl? The fact that she looks plain, skinny and older would be more important factors for me to send her away.

I just don't like to see a girl (I don't know: pro, or semi-pro or amateur) in an unmarked car, which could be an agency driver, salon driver, pimps driver. It makes me nervous! Almost all the time, I would stop such meeting as soon as I see that. A girl waiting in a car with a driver (indicates to me she might have something to do with the driver); instead of her coming out and the car gone out of sight.

[Epicurus]

This afternoon this girl arrived in an unmarked black car (the car looked quite new), which she called a taxi. She looks quite plain, skinny and older than her reported age.

I asked her telling the taxi to leave then I'll meet her and give her the taxi money but she insisted that I give her the taxi money to pay the taxi then meet. She claimed she didn't have any money, but how did she left with the same taxi after 25 min without any money? I aslo asked her why did she take the taxi if she didn't have any money to pay for it and why didn't she just take the metro. She didn't say anything but just kept on asking if I have money and if I'll pay the taxi. At the end, I ask her: "Are you an agency?" and she said she didn't understand. I told her again: "I think you are an agency! You and this unmarked black car makes me nervous!" Tell the black car / taxi to leave. Shortly, she left with the black car.

Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome as to what's going on here with this girl's acton.

Could you explain what worries you about an agency girl? The fact that she looks plain, skinny and older would be more important factors for me to send her away.

[Epicurus]

I prefer July over September. Weather was better, girls better dressed and it seems more girls in the park and on the street. Now they all have to go to college, or they have to be somewhere, not just walking around. I also like to be busy during the day and none of my current contacts can, only in the evening or in the weekend. And the quality of the massage parlors during the day is pretty bad.

It's gotten so bad, I even start to look at GIA. What's up with so many photos of the girl's feet? Is it trendy now to have a foot fetish in Kiev?

[Riina]

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Any input from the veterans of this thread is welcome as to what's going on here with this girl's acton.

Hi, I should have been more clear on my last post to this subject. You are most likely dealing with a salon / brothel and not an agency like Gia. You mentioned that agencies send girls on time and that's generally true. But when you are dealing with a salon, they will delay delivering the girl until it is convenient for them. The problem with Kiev salons is they cater to locals and the quality is generally low. Theirs no issue for them to fancy up a druggy streetwalker and send her over to your place. As a general rule, quality girls want nothing to do with cab drivers or men that might suspect what they do.

I'm a Kiev novice, so take it with a grain of salt.