Berlin

[Paul Scotland]

I suggest that you only make a sarcastic reference to another longstanding forum member once you have ascertained that he does, in fact, not feed it with reports. It would be easy to discover that is certainly not the case.

There were two reasons for not reporting on our Berlin trip. One was because Paul S had already done a report and, even though he is Scottish and therefore unable to communicate with any eloquence, it summed up our general disappointment at the quality of the mongering experience in Berlin. The second reason was because I was battling to come to a conclusion that would provide useful advice to others that may be considering it as a destination for a special trip, as we did.

Anyway, here goes with my conclusion, which is simply the humble opinion of a well travelled mongerer after a relatively short visit:

1. There is really only one FKK in Berlin and that is Artemis, with great facilities and a huge amount of varied talent, but very expensive, and particularly the extras. I really enjoyed our second visit there but I knew what to expect and took things much slower, which is what you should do. The first visit was a bit overwhelming with almost 100 mainly gorgeous porn stars strolling around naked and my little member wanted to jump onto all and sundry.

2. The other so called FKK is La Folie which is DIRE, for several reasons, and should be avoided.

3. The 3 kinos that we visited were filthy and smelly and had mutts so ugly, old and overweight that I actually spent most of my short time there chuckling. Kinos do not represent any sort of mongering experience unless you are bereft all your senses.

4. The 3 gangbang venues we visited were far worse that represented on their websites and a big disappointment with very few girls and a ridiculous man/hoor ratio, although Paul S did find a peach in one and managed to shove his way in and had a good time with her.

5. There were some good quality streetwalkers around the LSD building on Kurfurstenstrasse and some good sessions were had a relatively low cost.

We did not have the time and knowledge to try the private venues and escorts and, as a number of people said that Berlin is a very sexual city, the only reasonable conclusion can be that, apart from Artemis and the SWs, that is where all the good action is. This compares to, say, Malaga in Spain, where there is a good selection of Clubs / brothels with bars (similar to FKKs but you would spend much less time there), private apartments, SWs, escorts and swinger / fetish establishments and the prices would appear to be more reasonable, but one man's meat is another man's poison, so it's up to the individual.

There, I hope that this will help.

Good report from a dim South African and a shite rugby team! No but kidding aside this sums it up! I did not fancy even trying the escorts and brothels as I suspected it would not be up to much going by what was already seen in Berlin, maybe we are just used to too much but it was not what was expected from Berlin and there is no way I would do a return visit.

[So Happy]

Should we write: "Bravo, So Happy" (especially if he uses the forum without "feeding" it) ?

I suggest that you only make a sarcastic reference to another longstanding forum member once you have ascertained that he does, in fact, not feed it with reports. It would be easy to discover that is certainly not the case.

There were two reasons for not reporting on our Berlin trip. One was because Paul S had already done a report and, even though he is Scottish and therefore unable to communicate with any eloquence, it summed up our general disappointment at the quality of the mongering experience in Berlin. The second reason was because I was battling to come to a conclusion that would provide useful advice to others that may be considering it as a destination for a special trip, as we did.

Anyway, here goes with my conclusion, which is simply the humble opinion of a well travelled mongerer after a relatively short visit:

1. There is really only one FKK in Berlin and that is Artemis, with great facilities and a huge amount of varied talent, but very expensive, and particularly the extras. I really enjoyed our second visit there but I knew what to expect and took things much slower, which is what you should do. The first visit was a bit overwhelming with almost 100 mainly gorgeous porn stars strolling around naked and my little member wanted to jump onto all and sundry.

2. The other so called FKK is La Folie which is DIRE, for several reasons, and should be avoided.

3. The 3 kinos that we visited were filthy and smelly and had mutts so ugly, old and overweight that I actually spent most of my short time there chuckling. Kinos do not represent any sort of mongering experience unless you are bereft all your senses.

4. The 3 gangbang venues we visited were far worse that represented on their websites and a big disappointment with very few girls and a ridiculous man/hoor ratio, although Paul S did find a peach in one and managed to shove his way in and had a good time with her.

5. There were some good quality streetwalkers around the LSD building on Kurfurstenstrasse and some good sessions were had a relatively low cost.

We did not have the time and knowledge to try the private venues and escorts and, as a number of people said that Berlin is a very sexual city, the only reasonable conclusion can be that, apart from Artemis and the SWs, that is where all the good action is. This compares to, say, Malaga in Spain, where there is a good selection of Clubs / brothels with bars (similar to FKKs but you would spend much less time there), private apartments, SWs, escorts and swinger / fetish establishments and the prices would appear to be more reasonable, but one man's meat is another man's poison, so it's up to the individual.

There, I hope that this will help.

[JimmyVegas]

What are the names of the best service for incall in Berlin. Real pics and top girls.

Thanks.

[Canyon]

I will be visiting Berlin in late September. In the past, I have visited Artemis which I like. However, this time, I would like something more private in the upscale hotel where I will be staying. I have thought about an escort service, but the problem is that quite often the girl you order will not be the same one who knocks on your door. I like to see the girl before I bring her back to the hotel. Are there any places that provide upscale takeout, I. E. Visit, then take her out like in Thailand? Absent that, I would like a recommendation of an escort who is good-looking and gives great service. I am not price-sensitive, so I don't mind paying top=dollar if the service is top=drawer.

I would appreciate any recommendations.

Also, does anyone know if there would be a problem bringing a girl back to Das Stue, an upscale hotel.

Canyon.

[Big Ass Eater]

BAE, unfortunately I cannot help with first hand experience, but please google for 2 locations:

"Chinamassagen Sybelstr. 25" (http://www.chinamassage-berlin.de/).

'China heng mei Ebersstr. 57 Schoeneberg".

One calls itself Chinesisches Gesundheitszentrum (no joke).

They tick all boxes: mature, massage, intercourse.

German Forums report good, but variable service of all kind, however massage and communication (german, english) is poor (spanisch seems to be an option) , usually managed by Mama San.

Be aware, that you have to ask twice for a condom.

Thanks a lot. I'm going to have a look at these. I will simply have to follow my instict concerning the places. When it comes to communication usually a friendly smile is worth more than a fake deal.

I'm also pretty sure there are massage parlors that don't have a website. But thanks again for taking your time.

[Piefke]

...I asked a few days ago about Chinese mature women but since I didn't get a reply I take that is not easy to find either.

BAE, unfortunately I cannot help with first hand experience, but please google for 2 locations:

"Chinamassagen Sybelstr. 25" (http://www.chinamassage-berlin.de/).

'China heng mei Ebersstr. 57 Schoeneberg".

One calls itself Chinesisches Gesundheitszentrum (no joke).

They tick all boxes: mature, massage, intercourse.

German Forums report good, but variable service of all kind, however massage and communication (german, english) is poor (spanisch seems to be an option) , usually managed by Mama San.

Be aware, that you have to ask twice for a condom.

[Paul Scotland]

Well, I'm going to Berlin in November but can't figure out where to go. Judging by this Berlin thread it doesn't seem like much is going on there. I was hoping to find some unusual and kinky stuff but the sin seems to have left the city. I'm not into gangbang stuff and action with other guys, I prefer being solo with two or three ladies. I asked a few days ago about Chinese mature women but since I didn't get a reply I take that is not easy to find either.

I would say your best bet is to try and get a few hookers to a room for a good value session they were only 30€ bottom price would be more for hotel but! I noticed a lot going towards the Anna Porsche area too on the Saturday night!

[Eszpresszo]

Well, I'm going to Berlin in November but can't figure out where to go. Judging by this Berlin thread it doesn't seem like much is going on there. I was hoping to find some unusual and kinky stuff but the sin seems to have left the city. I'm not into gangbang stuff and action with other guys, I prefer being solo with two or three ladies. I asked a few days ago about Chinese mature women but since I didn't get a reply I take that is not easy to find either.

You are certainly not looking very hard. The opinions of a few guys arguing about the merits of Artemis is hardly a representation of your options. Just because somebody can't direct you to your specific, narrowly focused interest, in just a few days time doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Berlin appears to be the most sexualized city in the nation (at least that what a resident tells me). It seems there are countless brothels and escort services that will gladly offer you as many girls as you want to pay for. There are clubs and venues that sponsor events catering to various kinks beyond mere gangbangs. Even the independents offer specials with their girlfriends. But, unless you are willing to perform your own due diligence, your chance of success anywhere will be reduced.

But, if you are really interested in getting a massage from a mature Chinese woman, there are countless options in North America. There are many Asian massage parlors in my metropolitan area, and there are forums that discuss them. One of the most common complaints among the posters is that the women are not young enough, and that they got serviced by a middle aged masseusse. I would think there should be a glut of mature Asian masseuses to choose from on this side of the Atlantic. Otherwise, I would suggest you do a bit of self-contemplation, and ask yourself if you just might possibly be engaging in self-defeating behavior. Seriously. I've seen this scenario too many times, (often with close friends) where guys sabotage their chances by giving up quickly, setting the pole too high or making a minimal effort at getting what they want from women. Really.

[Big Ass Eater]

Not my fault they found a club that caters for the elephant man and he loves it! Pmsl, just not my cup of tea and i am only trying to give guys a heads up before they go away over and are let down ! feedback tells me Frankfurt is much better !

Well, I'm going to Berlin in November but can't figure out where to go. Judging by this Berlin thread it doesn't seem like much is going on there. I was hoping to find some unusual and kinky stuff but the sin seems to have left the city. I'm not into gangbang stuff and action with other guys, I prefer being solo with two or three ladies. I asked a few days ago about Chinese mature women but since I didn't get a reply I take that is not easy to find either.

[Paul Scotland]

Come on now RB, you are not quite that good-looking. LOL.

Not my fault they found a club that caters for the elephant man and he loves it! Pmsl, just not my cup of tea and i am only trying to give guys a heads up before they go away over and are let down ! feedback tells me Frankfurt is much better !

[Paul Scotland]

Should we write: "Bravo, So Happy" (especially if he uses the forum without "feeding" it) ?

Shows you how utter pish it was!

[Wanking]

RB is no hunk, as a 2nd cousin of Jabba the Hutt.

Come on now RB, you are not quite that good-looking. LOL.

[Bobo.fr]

... So Happy never even left reports and he usually always does for everything he goes to! .....!

Should we write: "Bravo, So Happy" (especially if he uses the forum without "feeding" it) ?

[Paul Scotland]

Your not used to much mate if you think that is good maybe I am used to a better level than you are but I do not want to get into a word fight over anything as this forum is for feedback on experiences the guy who went with me So Happy never even left reports and he usually always does for everything he goes to! Check the Costa Del Sol forum I did get sloppy blowjobs french kissing etc but in my opinion it is not worth going back for and is a cash cow with silly prices getting quoted for extras!

And I was surrounded with women at times kissing me etc as I am dark skinned and have dark hair and latin looks and I am in good shape as I go to the gym! This was just a genuine opinion of how I seen it! Me and So Happy walked around Berlin on the Sunday night trying to find somewhere and eventually opted through gritted teeth to go back to the FKK!

[Paul Scotland]

I don't intend to get into a discussion about this, but these opinions, like everything here (mine included), are just one person's. I know from P's earlier Artemis post he did not enjoy it-fine, it happens. But to keep on ranting like this is pointless. Artemis is what it is and many of us, far from naive, find it a fine option. As do the 500 or so men who probably go there on a daily basis, and as seen in the vast majority of the 10 years of reports here. Does it have limits and warts? Yes of course.

If you follow common sense, discussed a thousand times in the Artemis thread, you can have a fine passionate time and not spend wads of money. You choose wisely and slowly. If you do otherwise, with all the reports and advice available, you really can only blame yourself. RB is no hunk, as a 2nd cousin of Jabba the Hutt. But there are plenty of girls whom I find are great fun (from many different countries), who will DFK and cum themselves etc for even a measly 30 minutes if you just make sure the chemistry is right.

I cannot speak of Spain, or Brasil or Thailand or the Antarctic- and maybe the girls there are more forgiving of certain kinds of men, but who knows and who cares? I can speak of Artemis, and certainly in relation to maybe 50 places I know over the years all over the world. There are a bunch of friends met and made via the forum, from all walks of life and vastly different culture who have had the same positive experience and thus we return and repeat. I have had my dog nights where I left Artemis ungepopped or had a bad session. It happens once in a blue moon. And while I am critical of a bunch of things there they could and need to fix (the dreadful music, the smoke especially during winter), it is surely a pleasant way to spend some hours, and there are at least a handful of great girls there and they are great with newbies as well as locals.

Sometimes, people put themselves under absurd pressure. With only one night or a few hours, and lots of expensive travel etc they expect their monger experience to be worth it, if not perfect. That pressure while real and somewhat understandable, has to be managed. You still have to Zen it out, put it aside, along with your wife/girlfriend problems, exchange rates, pilot strikes, alien invasions or whatever might be bugging you at the moment. You just try to see if there is, or generate, some real chemistry. If for whatever reason it is not there with a particular girl, then you have to be prepared to walk away. You have to feel a sense she is attracted to you, whatever you might feel towards her and that you both are on the same page re expectations; if not, you don't zimmer. Putting anger and expectations in check, and just slowing it down and finding the right situation with the right girl is 90% of having a good time at Artemis. The rest: being clean, polite, not drunk or tired, all rather obvious.

Then to say that the loathsome, horrible Artemis is the only decent option in Berlin is also simply inaccurate. There are maybe 3000 girls working as either independents or in the private bordello flats, or the other venues. Some are just fantastic. It is just a matter of taking the time and being pleasant.

All this has been covered at length by Charlie 123's excellent summary of all things Berlin (Search here for "Berlin FAQ") As the over 6000 reports over 400 pages here (and mon bon ami Bobo's attempt to organize the private bordellos pages) show, a reasonable man can only be positive about Berlin and the variety, cost, and quality of choices available.

Your not used to much mate if you think that is good maybe I am used to a better level than you are but I do not want to get into a word fight over anything as this forum is for feedback on experiences the guy who went with me So Happy never even left reports and he usually always does for everything he goes to! Check the Costa Del Sol forum I did get sloppy blowjobs french kissing etc but in my opinion it is not worth going back for and is a cash cow with silly prices getting quoted for extras!