St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[Puntz79]

Just decline. I've had it offered a few times, usually with a chica I have been with at least a couple times. Better to be safe than sorry.

On both of my last trips, I've done a couple of TLNs.

Nothing I haven't done before in the last decade I've been in this hobby, but in both of these instances, I was offered, and even encouraged, to have sex without a condom. Got to say this caught me off guard. I declined in both cases (just not a line I'm willing to cross yet), but was just wondering if any of the veterans had an insight as to what the thought process was here. These girls have no clue who I am, and I certainly didn't ask for it, so why offer it? Is it a play for a bigger tip?

[Mel365]

Kirk,

Things are quite different when it is high season and cruise ships are in.

Part of the fun and adventure is checking the scene out for myself despite what others have said. I checked it out and then reported my experience. Simple as that. Add that to the knowledge bank.

[Kirk Lazarus]

Guys, read the forum to get educated. Defiance and Casablanca are not the clubs to visit in the afternoon. You will have a few hanging around the bar in the afternoon, but not many. These clubs get started in the evening when all the girls come out. Also, check the cruise ship schedule at www.portofstmaarten.com. If there are no ships in port, chances are most of the clubs will be rather empty in the afternoon. Off season, slow business days the girls go off to the beaches, shopping or errands.

Part of the fun and adventure is checking the scene out for myself despite what others have said. I checked it out and then reported my experience. Simple as that. Add that to the knowledge bank.

[Mel365]

If the chica offers up BBFS I would decline. If I have to talk them into it I might consider it. No Comments Please-I know.

These chicas are checked every week, but HIV doesn't show up sometimes for 6 months.

[Cursnoop]

On both of my last trips, I've done a couple of TLNs.

Nothing I haven't done before in the last decade I've been in this hobby, but in both of these instances, I was offered, and even encouraged, to have sex without a condom. Got to say this caught me off guard. I declined in both cases (just not a line I'm willing to cross yet), but was just wondering if any of the veterans had an insight as to what the thought process was here. These girls have no clue who I am, and I certainly didn't ask for it, so why offer it? Is it a play for a bigger tip?

Maybe they want to make you more addictive or maybe they want your child and then hit you up with child support.

[ClubTed]

While BBBJ is fairly common on take out, especially if you've got a rapport with the chica, are clean, decent looking, and aren't going to choke the girl to death! LOL! The scenario you speak of has been unheard of by me. Not that it can't happen, but these girls are health conscious, have weekly check-ups, families at home to support (being most of them are single moms), and have been around the block and know the deal, so here's my 2 cents about why it might have been offered to you.

1) Maybe the chica really was into you and the chemistry was such that you gave her the impression there was going to be more of a long term relationship with you either visiting the island often, or her back in Colombia, or maybe even becoming her espouse! Again, only you know how deeply you connected. While these chicas go through tons of guys, maybe you were the knight in shining armor! LOL!

2) What was the level of partying? Were they drunk / high? Lost inhibitions make people do risky things. Again, only you could assess if the chica was drunk or had done coke in your bathroom. And came out flying like a kite.

3) While I've never heard of this, suppose there could always be an entrapment angle. Maybe the chica wanted you to be more than just a papi to her! LOL! And present you with your very own SXM bambino nine months down the road! Then from a health entrapment, maybe the chica had something she wasn't happy about having and wanted to "share the love!

You made the right call by declining. Again, only you were in the best position to make your own call. If you lived on island and had built up a relationship where you were her local boyfriend and were taking her out at night regularly, then I could see where it could be put out on the table as you being her steady novio. Then her time in the club would be purely mechanical and she'd be all yours. Certainly a risky move on the part of the chica (s) and again, something I would say is definitely not the norm.

On both of my last trips, I've done a couple of TLNs.

Nothing I haven't done before in the last decade I've been in this hobby, but in both of these instances, I was offered, and even encouraged, to have sex without a condom. Got to say this caught me off guard. I declined in both cases (just not a line I'm willing to cross yet), but was just wondering if any of the veterans had an insight as to what the thought process was here. These girls have no clue who I am, and I certainly didn't ask for it, so why offer it? Is it a play for a bigger tip?

[DavisLucJr]

On both of my last trips, I've done a couple of TLNs.

Nothing I haven't done before in the last decade I've been in this hobby, but in both of these instances, I was offered, and even encouraged, to have sex without a condom. Got to say this caught me off guard. I declined in both cases (just not a line I'm willing to cross yet), but was just wondering if any of the veterans had an insight as to what the thought process was here. These girls have no clue who I am, and I certainly didn't ask for it, so why offer it? Is it a play for a bigger tip?

[Scubatoo]

The 9's and 10's from Carolina's will quote big time numbers to take them out even during their free time, unless again, like you've mentioned and what I've done in the past is to act as a shuttle service and give one or two of them a free ride into P'burg so they can shop, wire money home, or just enjoy their free time. Not to lower my standards, but there are a few decent chicas at times (7's with some good personalities) in Crystals to be had, and then there's always the lonesome / homesick chica that hates the casa scene and is dieing to get away from the environment for a couple of hours, just to reclaim her dignity.

I've never had any luck doing take out from LE Petite or Casa Blanca. Had it out on the table at El Capitan a couple of times, but the chica turned out to be insincere. I've done the siesta time from Defiance, but haven't heard much chatter about the club on the forum as of late. My last visits, I'd stop by in the afternoon and there were no cars. Maybe one or two girls at the bar. I've had great times here in the past but not sure when the club is going to get a jump start.

Sunset Retreat actually has a happy hour in the side bar that kicks off at 4 pm With some great music. I've talked about take-out during this time with a couple of Dominicanas, but seemed like I caught them off guard. If you're skiddish about visiting Sunset at night due to the parking and the walk across the road to the steep stairs, check it out at 4 pm You may find something that will want to make you come back after ten!

Club Ted's points are well taken. I have met some really fun girls at Sunset Retreat and Casablanca, and often have fun times at Defiance. These are further off the beaten path, are mostly Dominican Republic girls and some dark-skinned Colombian girls, and you will see a fair number of locals hanging around. Perhaps a little more Spanish helps at times, but the biggest thing is just adjusting your attitude. The DR girls love the alpha dog. So wear your macho on your sleeve, even if you usually don't. They can be freaks in the room once you tame them! The DR girls are just different looks and body types than many of the Colombian girls. But if you put aside the "I have to have a 10" attitude, and look at a package of looks, personality and talent, you will have some great times with the DR girls. I'm heading back to St. Maarten soon and look forward to playing in all of these clubs, in addition to the usual three. The Colombian girls still make my head spin the most.

[Scubatoo]

Hi fellas,

This will be my first time going to another country to practice the hobby. I will be in SXM in October and was thinking about going to the Carolina since it is close to the cruise ship. I guess had a few questions, Will I need a taxi or can I walk? Do they have a website? Phone number? Address? What can I expect when I get there? I have read the forums, but I would like to read some of your opinions about SXM and Carolina.

Thank you.

Read some more. All the info you need is in the forum.

[Scubatoo]

On my recent trip, my buddies and I checked out Defiance and Casa Blanca in the afternoon.

Defiance. Our car was the only one in the parking lot. When we got out of the car, we could hear the girls inside shouting at us welcoming us in. Unfortunately, none of the girls attracted us. There were less than 10 girls on the floor, all were darker (presumedly Dominican). I would give the girls a rating of 6 or less. None of the girls were attractive enough for us to even grab a beer. We walked out and moved to the next place. A couple of girls followed us to the door and tried to entice us back in.

Casa Blanca. This was our next stop. A few more cars were in the parking lot. A little over 10+ girls at this place and about 4 customers other than us. We saw mostly Dominicans here. The quality was slightly above defiance, but again, not worth having lingering around with a beer. We also left this place shortly after getting in. I was told that this place also serves as an after hours party place and that there was a shooting recently in the bar...yikes.

Guys, read the forum to get educated. Defiance and Casablanca are not the clubs to visit in the afternoon. You will have a few hanging around the bar in the afternoon, but not many. These clubs get started in the evening when all the girls come out. Also, check the cruise ship schedule at www.portofstmaarten.com. If there are no ships in port, chances are most of the clubs will be rather empty in the afternoon. Off season, slow business days the girls go off to the beaches, shopping or errands.

[Prizren]

Hello,

I went to St Martin in the last few days and it was a disaster. I visited Carolina 12 between 00 pm and 16 pm, maximum of three girls and a dead atmosphere, ditto for the hypnotic. I guess there was no cruise but it was really dead. I return to the end and I hope that it will be more lively, and especially more girls present.

[Kirk Lazarus]

On my recent trip, my buddies and I checked out Defiance and Casa Blanca in the afternoon.

Defiance. Our car was the only one in the parking lot. When we got out of the car, we could hear the girls inside shouting at us welcoming us in. Unfortunately, none of the girls attracted us. There were less than 10 girls on the floor, all were darker (presumedly Dominican). I would give the girls a rating of 6 or less. None of the girls were attractive enough for us to even grab a beer. We walked out and moved to the next place. A couple of girls followed us to the door and tried to entice us back in.

Casa Blanca. This was our next stop. A few more cars were in the parking lot. A little over 10+ girls at this place and about 4 customers other than us. We saw mostly Dominicans here. The quality was slightly above defiance, but again, not worth having lingering around with a beer. We also left this place shortly after getting in. I was told that this place also serves as an after hours party place and that there was a shooting recently in the bar...yikes.

[ClubTed]

The 9's and 10's from Carolina's will quote big time numbers to take them out even during their free time, unless again, like you've mentioned and what I've done in the past is to act as a shuttle service and give one or two of them a free ride into P'burg so they can shop, wire money home, or just enjoy their free time. Not to lower my standards, but there are a few decent chicas at times (7's with some good personalities) in Crystals to be had, and then there's always the lonesome / homesick chica that hates the casa scene and is dieing to get away from the environment for a couple of hours, just to reclaim her dignity.

I've never had any luck doing take out from LE Petite or Casa Blanca. Had it out on the table at El Capitan a couple of times, but the chica turned out to be insincere. I've done the siesta time from Defiance, but haven't heard much chatter about the club on the forum as of late. My last visits, I'd stop by in the afternoon and there were no cars. Maybe one or two girls at the bar. I've had great times here in the past but not sure when the club is going to get a jump start.

Sunset Retreat actually has a happy hour in the side bar that kicks off at 4 pm With some great music. I've talked about take-out during this time with a couple of Dominicanas, but seemed like I caught them off guard. If you're skiddish about visiting Sunset at night due to the parking and the walk across the road to the steep stairs, check it out at 4 pm You may find something that will want to make you come back after ten!

Yes, in the past I've done the same as well. Interestingly enough, now, when USD is worth 50% more in COP than in the past, chicas demand more $$ than ever.

I think the best way to do what you're describing is to find out which day (afternoon) of the week she has "off", and try to arrange with her on that day. That's when they usually go to Philipsburg to buy things, or go to the beach. If anything, they appreciate a free ride to town. Hopefully there won't be any cruise ships on that day, otherwise they may work full afternoon shift like other days. They're there to make $$, not friends (unless the friends come with very deep pockets, as in deep enough for an entire week of high quality TLN / TLD).

[Lucky Strike]

Lots of chatter as of late about multa prices for TLD or TLN takeout. Nobody has written anything about success with getting a girl back to your place during her free time 4 pm To 8 pm. In the past, I've had much success...

Yes, in the past I've done the same as well. Interestingly enough, now, when USD is worth 50% more in COP than in the past, chicas demand more $$ than ever.

I think the best way to do what you're describing is to find out which day (afternoon) of the week she has "off", and try to arrange with her on that day. That's when they usually go to Philipsburg to buy things, or go to the beach. If anything, they appreciate a free ride to town. Hopefully there won't be any cruise ships on that day, otherwise they may work full afternoon shift like other days. They're there to make $$, not friends (unless the friends come with very deep pockets, as in deep enough for an entire week of high quality TLN / TLD).

[ClubTed]

Lots of chatter as of late about multa prices for TLD or TLN takeout. Nobody has written anything about success with getting a girl back to your place during her free time 4 pm To 8 pm. In the past, I've had much success building up rapports with chicas at Defiance, Crystals, and Hyptnotique (seems at Carolina's the chicas are always preoccupied, but I've given a few rides into town and rides for various other errands to some of the girls) and wooing them back to my villa in Oyster Pond for some pool time, light nap, food, drink and a break from the casa.

Has anyone had any success with this as of late? I hope this option isn't off the table now, since I know how things can change. In Crystal's all I had to do was give the address to the older lady bartender and the chica would come out dressed down in more casual clothes about 5 minutes to 4 pm, and off we'd go. We'd either pre-agree on a tip, or it wouldn't come up at all and I'd give whatever when I dropped her back off at the club around 7:30 pm Most of the chicas loved getting away for a couple of hours to use a pool and to get a breathtaking view of St. Barth's, rather than the Pondfill and industrial area where Crystals and Carolinas are.

After having returned from Bogota, where you can have a chica anywhere from $15 to $35 USD. These hundred dollar plus bar fines are just getting out of hand. Add to that the fee for the chica and no wonder all the Colombian hotties flock to SXM!