Angeles City

[Fastpiston]

A buddy of mine moved to AC this time last year. Before that he had lived in Costa Rica, all over Dominican Republic, and all over Brazil. He was supposed to be moving to Thailand on my recommendation but I have no idea how he ended up in AC instead. For at least 5 years I have been waiting for him to at least visit Thailand. Every few months he says that he is coming but then doesn't. His last excuse maybe 6 months ago was that he has to get his money together. The chick who he was dating in Angeles City died and he is now taking care of her 3 daughters. I jumped in his shit. What the fuck man. That is not your responsibility. You knew this chick all of 2 months maybe. Your kids are grown. Why are you voluntarily taking care of someone else's kids when you are on a fixed income? It was evident that he became sour with me after that. A few weeks ago though he said that he finally realized that it was not his responsibility. Whether he is still doing it though god only knows.

For sure, go to AC and enjoy the cheap pussy, however I am always totally amazed the way guys lose their common sense when they go to AC. They send money to bar girls. They even marry them, commonly supporting kids that are clearly not their own. They often even pretend the kids are actually their own (no DNA tests done of course). Time and again I have observed the kids' Filipino father lurking in the background acting as a trike driver or cousin or whatever. The massive amount of bar girl scams are well known (and well documented on this forum), yet still the zombies still walk straight into the obvious open traps. What is really amazing is that there are so many available, very interested, beautiful Filipinas in the country outside the bars, yet the zombies have no interest in these. A large number are also professionally qualified. Maybe the zombies lack self confidence, self esteem and fear rejection.

[Mr Enternational]

He also said that he was supporting several girls, both in AC and other provinces. He was sending each a few thousand pesos each month. However he had never met 2 of them (province) and said the he would probably never meet them. Finally I asked, given his financial situation, is that wise? "No. But. We have an obligation to help these people, right? I mean its our job, right?" Well, I thought, no, its not our job. My job is to my boss. But I understand how he felt. Its the same emotional sucker-punch every girl applies when her back is up against the wall, and he was falling for it. Many men can't resist -- and don't want to; they justify by saying "its our job, right"?

A buddy of mine moved to AC this time last year. Before that he had lived in Costa Rica, all over Dominican Republic, and all over Brazil. He was supposed to be moving to Thailand on my recommendation but I have no idea how he ended up in AC instead. For at least 5 years I have been waiting for him to at least visit Thailand. Every few months he says that he is coming but then doesn't. His last excuse maybe 6 months ago was that he has to get his money together. The chick who he was dating in Angeles City died and he is now taking care of her 3 daughters. I jumped in his shit. What the fuck man. That is not your responsibility. You knew this chick all of 2 months maybe. Your kids are grown. Why are you voluntarily taking care of someone else's kids when you are on a fixed income? It was evident that he became sour with me after that. A few weeks ago though he said that he finally realized that it was not his responsibility. Whether he is still doing it though god only knows.

[WestCoast1]

Good posts.

So, lets work out the amounts I do know about, salary, drinks and the occasional barfine and our little princess is on roughly 70,000 pesos per month, not bad considering a lawyer, doctor, accountant who studied for years earns way less per month.

Sounds about right.

Why is the 80 k php / month hard to believe?

Its not. See related story below.

I know a girl, in another country, who is easily pulling in 3 or 4 times that amount. She never meets, or even agrees to meet anyone, never promises to do anything with anyone, and the guys throw money, just to chat and watch her on cam. She averages 3 or 4 times on cam per week, usually for an hour, and makes about $400 USD in an hour. About once per month she does a special show for 3 or 4 hours and always makes at least $1000, and has made as much as $4000.

Sounds more like this girl is a naked cam girl, which is different from bargirls or regular dating-site type girls.

There are plenty of guys who will throw money, even without the promise of sex. Add the promise of sex and I would believe an average girl could easily get 80 k php.

Yes. The promise of sex pays more. Many strippers in high-end american clubs don't need to go to a hotel with a guy after her shift, in fact they refuse to do anything like that. They can make lots of money on tips with the "look" or hint of sex (never providing the actual end-product).

I have always read guys here say that the first step is to buy them drinks and give them tips so they don't think you are cheap. And then they tell their friends and everybody thinks he is a good guy and wants a turn. I appears to be working like a charm.

Spot on.

Related story. Its a repeat from a few years back. A manila girl I used to write about here, mid-30's at the time, I referred to her as the Dynamo, as her sexuality was strong, deep, and never-ending. She had two daughters, at the time aged 13 and 16. Each had on online boyfriend from the US, garnered from DIA. The mother sat in on many of the YM chat sessions between daughter and her US boyfriends. Each boyfriend was older, in his 80's, and physically unable to travel due to medical ills. The men were carefully chosen by mom. She said there were a number of such older gents the girls met thru DIA, and the mom would analyze each one for age, (in) ability to travel, and money. The mom chose for each girl one guy. The older gents were sending, if I recollect correctly, the 13 year-old $350 USD / month, and the 16 year-old $250-300/ month. That is about 15 k PHP each gent per month, and each girl was allowed to have only one online boyfriend at a time. Mom intercepted all money (she had the ID) and gave the girls very little. The extra she saved for college and herself. The men never knew the real ages of the girls, they believed each girl was 18 when they met online.

If each girl were to have been allowed 3-4 such suitors, you see how that could grow towards the 80 k for AC or regular girls who juggle various online interests. She said she instructed her girls to never discuss sex with the men, and never to suggest to the men that they visit phils. It would not matter, as the both gents had already said they could never travel. Both gents would later pass away at different times (or, simply never be heard from again), and mom replaced them quickly for new suitors with new DIA ads.

Interestingly, both girls are grown and out of the home, away in college or graduated. Although the oldest has finished college (HRM) and graduated, she has not found work. However, she learned well from mama, and has continued the tradition of finding DIA guys with deep pockets who have no hope of travel (as has the younger girl). Mom no longer needs to provide for them. This is an amazing scheme, as it seems to me to be perpetual, and if one handles more than one 'cano at a time, quite lucrative. Another point of interest: the mother has met an American, also older. He *is* able to travel, but not often. He met her in Manila 3 years ago, and has since built her a large home in her Luzon province. He spends most of his time living in a rehab-type facility in the US, but travels to see her for 1-3 weeks each time, 1-2 times / year. To show you how well the mom can play this game: Before meeting her new guy, she insisted that he wire her half the money she needed to buy the property and start building the home -- and he sent it (it was agreed that when the home was going up, he would make his first visit and spend time in her province, then give her the rest of the money to complete the home, and he did all that). She has invited me to bus up from Manila several times, both when he is away and also when he is present. I declined (busy with other girls), especially so when he is there with her in the province. The purpose of our meetings is nawty, and going into another man's home to boff his girlfriend is a bit touchy. She said not to worry as he is unable to perform the nawty act himself (emphysema, diabetes, old age) and he does not mind me sleeping with her. She asked if it was OK with me if the old bird videotaped our sessions. I politely declined. I might make it up there one day when he's not there.

Even younger men can be stupid. Few years ago I was sitting having a drink in an AC bar. Not the kind of dancers-on-stage bar, but just a small bar with waitresses who are available for takeout. The location of the bar is such: Sitting at Phillies, looking straight across the street at the PNP kiosk, look just to the right, you will see a massage place (or 2) just where Fields splits off to become Mitchell Avenue. The bar is located next to the massage places; the front of the bar appeared as wood or logs, you sit inside the bar and face Mitchell Ave (across Mitchell Ave on the wall, looking to your left, used to be the message painted on the wall: "Don't take a leak here". It was afternoon and a young man aged 20-25 came in, got a beer, and started chatting me up. Nice young man, aussie. Later in the conversation he admitted that his day job didn't really afford him the money to travel to phils and party, but he was hooked on it. He also said that he was supporting several girls, both in AC and other provinces. He was sending each a few thousand pesos each month. However he had never met 2 of them (province) and said the he would probably never meet them. Finally I asked, given his financial situation, is that wise? "No. But. We have an obligation to help these people, right? I mean its our job, right?" Well, I thought, no, its not our job. My job is to my boss. But I understand how he felt. Its the same emotional sucker-punch every girl applies when her back is up against the wall, and he was falling for it. Many men can't resist -- and don't want to; they justify by saying "its our job, right"?

OTOH, many girls either can't find a sucker, or sometimes their sucker (s) all dry up at once, leaving them stranded for several months or more, without any pesos.

[Mr Enternational]

We dont even have to have sex (to make money), mamasans star bar girl told me. I just sit with the guy. When he talks to me, I lean in and look into his eyes. I laugh when he says something funny and squeeze his shoulder. Then he slips me some dollars as a tip.

I have always read guys here say that the first step is to buy them drinks and give them tips so they don't think you are cheap. And then they tell their friends and everybody thinks he is a good guy and wants a turn. I appears to be working like a charm.

[JjBee62]

Although sex is for sale and sex is everything in AC selling sex is taboo and not openly discussed with any news reporter. Of course mamasan and the girls are coached not to discuss sex and nowadays word " Barfine " is taboo as well.

Some guys feeling generous might tip " small amounts " for girls sitting with them it is not universal. Lady drink is the norm. 80,000 pesos per month for sitting with guys and rubbing shoulders is not to be believed.

Why is the 80 k php / month hard to believe?

I know a girl, in another country, who is easily pulling in 3 or 4 times that amount. She never meets, or even agrees to meet anyone, never promises to do anything with anyone, and the guys throw money, just to chat and watch her on cam. She averages 3 or 4 times on cam per week, usually for an hour, and makes about $400 USD in an hour. About once per month she does a special show for 3 or 4 hours and always makes at least $1000, and has made as much as $4000.

There are plenty of guys who will throw money, even without the promise of sex. Add the promise of sex and I would believe an average girl could easily get 80 k php.

[NapaSlapper]

As some of the recent posts are touching on ways girls earn large amount of pesos / baht here are some of the girls earning of which I know personally.

Sexy little 20 year old spotlight / cultural dancer in atlantis bar fields avenue,i have known her and her family for several years and can speak openly and fairly honesly with her,

she earns 500 pesos per day salary, averages 8-10 double lady drinks per night at 125 p commision each drink plus commision on ball throwing,balloon games and general tips handed over by punters,

She is very very fussy with who she will barfine with but will barfine with very special high rolling customers, maybe 1 customer per week, she insists on 2000 pesos tip and receives 50% of her barfine which is 1,500 pesos to her.

She is also playing the internet dating game and regularly has guys she has never met or has no intentions of meeting sending her cash donations for various made up emergencies in her life, I have no idea what this amounts to but know she is scamming some money there.

So, lets work out the amounts I do know about, salary, drinks and the occasional barfine and our little princess is on roughly 70,000 pesos per month, not bad considering a lawyer, doctor, accountant who studied for years earns way less per month.

some of my long time angeles friends still swear blind they find and have sex with model looking angeles bargirls every day,always pay next to nothing pesos and have to throw the girl out at lunch time kicking and screamig,yes dream on i say,

things have changed drastically over the last few years,girls have got mighty choosy on who they will barfine with if at all,it all comes down to the ability of girls to earn easy pesos in so many ways,

[WestCoast1]

We dont even have to have sex (to make money), mamasans star bar girl told me. I just sit with the guy. When he talks to me, I lean in and look into his eyes. I laugh when he says something funny and squeeze his shoulder. Then he slips me some dollars as a tip..

Hahaha. Good post RK. Every girl knows how to play that card. Every woman can / will be an "Oscar-caliber" star at multiple points in her life. We all pay for a woman's affection, whether that affection is sex or a giggle, with money. So many men have a difficult time wrapping their head around the concept. They can see the concept in the academic, but they often don't see that they are being played by the bargirl, the occasional puta, his girlfriend, or his wife. That guy also rarely sees it when another man's woman is playing the other man for something (ie, money, or stuff she wants) right in front of that guy. I'm amazed by it. Men often have strange ideas in their minds (ie, categories) for women as far as 'good girl' vs 'bad girl' (or GF / wife vs puta), and in reality there is no such distinction.

For instance, a guy in AC being affectioned by a bargirl (as referenced by the article above) might not realize he's being played. He might indeed actually believe the girl is his new best-friend, and that she's actually laughing at his humor (maybe she is, maybe not, that part is irrelevant). You can see it just by watching them (people-watching is one of my fav things), and gents even write about it here. On the opposite end of the spectrum are (some) gents who are married, who keep their wives in the best house / clothing / car, and complain of rarely getting laid -- his woman can cajole him thru just about anything. Both of these men have somehow deluded themselves (as many of us, myself included, have at times).

[Pipe Layer99]

I believe this refers to scores of girls playing gullible men thru skype, wechat, line, viber, kakao, hangout or whatever other social media platform you can think of and getting them to send money in small sums thru western union or other wire transfer platforms. Having 1 jap / korean, 1 aussie, 1 arab & 1 american. You are home with 80 k. No sweat.

On my last trip to AC, about 2 years ago, I spent 2 nights with a girl (Rachel) I met at the freelance club. We hit it off well and I took her back to the hotel. Great time had by all. The next afternoon after going at it again, she showered and prepared to go home. She never asked for any pesos. So right before she was leaving I gave her 1000 p. As I walked her out to get a trike, I invited her back tonight. She agreed to come back in a few hours. Before we got to a trike I asked her how much to take her to her room. She refused any pesos. I insisted and gave her the going rate for a ride to get home. Later, she came back as planned. We had great sex again, ordered room service, and then ice cream, and we just stayed in the room having fun. The next day I gave her another 1000 p. Everything was great and everyone was happy. We still keep in touch.

Here is the funny part. Last year, she sent me a message and we chatted. Then she tell me about her 'girlfirend' whom I have never met and asks me if I can help her friend out. She actually wanted me to give a cash donation to a girl I don't know. I asked her, why would I give money to a girl I don't know?! She said the girls' boyfriend stopped sending her money and now the girlfriend was asking her for a loan. I told her, tell your girlfriend to make me her friend on facebook or whatsapp and I can meet her on my next visit. Then after we meet, if we get along, I will take her to my hotel for fun and I will help her. .

So yes. Many of the girls have guys sending them money. And they aren't shy about asking other dumb men to send money too.

One more thing, the girl I was seeing for the 2 days also had, and still has, a guy sending her money. I found that out on the 2nd day. That explains why she wasn't concerned about whether or not I gave her any pesos. In fact, last Winter, she even went a long trip to Europe with the guy. She was there for a few months. She posted many pictures of herself from different countries. Good for her. I'm happy that she had the chance to travel and see other countries. As she still messages from time to time, I asked her if she will have sex with me when I come visit. First she says no because she wants to be good to her boyfriend. She offered to go out with me to the club and she will help me friend another girl (as if I need help with that). I told her I can do that by myself the same way I met you. I explained that I would rather have great sex with you for a few days and take you to dinner like last time. I reminded her about the sessions in the hotel. Then she ok 'but' we can't tell anyone because as she doesn't was the guy to know. I say ok, no problem, I like you and we can have our fun in private and it will be our secret. She agreed.

[Chocha Monger]

They don't have to be stars to juggle multiple suckers. This High Society freelancer is making bank and she has been around for years. A lot of European guys go for that native jungle look and they're willing to pay lots of Euros.

[Blanquiceleste]

....thanks to technology and time zones,

I believe this refers to scores of girls playing gullible men thru skype, wechat, line, viber, kakao, hangout or whatever other social media platform you can think of and getting them to send money in small sums thru western union or other wire transfer platforms. Having 1 jap / korean, 1 aussie, 1 arab & 1 american. You are home with 80 k. No sweat.

[Red Kilt]

Some guys feeling generous might tip " small amounts " for girls sitting with them it is not universal. Lady drink is the norm. 80,000 pesos per month for sitting with guys and rubbing shoulders is not to be believed.

Your comment is taken out of context Sammon, and you are assuming it was a news reporter. The writer was a sex therapist who knows exactly what's going on in AC, Burgos Street, Patpong and Pattaya.

The bar girl in the article said she doesn't NEED to provide sex to earn money but it didn't say that she doesn't do it (probably every night I'd imagine).

The 80,000 refers to the cash she gets from her "four boyfriends" who she juggles thanks to technology and time zones, as is referenced in my excerpt. She can play them all at the same time. She also gets tips from her starry-eyed guests, and no doubt also goes out too when she wants which adds up to 80 K.

I actually thought that 80,000 was a bit conservative for a so-called "star".

I know a Fil-Chinese guy in Manila who gives his GF in AC 50,000 per month just so she will be available for him every weekend that he is there. He doesn't care what she does for the rest of the week. I bet she is getting 80,000 too.

[Sammon]

Just a short post to get the thread back on to mongering despite all the useful forex information.

I just read an article by a journalist who spent time in AC. It is a sensible article and she (the author) was quite even-handed in her reporting.

This paragraph took my eye.

". . . the mamasan did the math for me. By managing around four different boyfriends, her top girls can make up to P80,000 a month - each. It requires skilled juggling and multi-tasking but that is made easier through technology and varying timezones.

We dont even have to have sex (to make money), mamasans star bar girl told me. I just sit with the guy. When he talks to me, I lean in and look into his eyes. I laugh when he says something funny and squeeze his shoulder. Then he slips me some dollars as a tip..

Although sex is for sale and sex is everything in AC selling sex is taboo and not openly discussed with any news reporter. Of course mamasan and the girls are coached not to discuss sex and nowadays word " Barfine " is taboo as well.

Some guys feeling generous might tip " small amounts " for girls sitting with them it is not universal. Lady drink is the norm. 80,000 pesos per month for sitting with guys and rubbing shoulders is not to be believed.

[Worf1972]

Sigh! The end of the world is near. Pinays are smartening up while the mongers seem satisfied without sex. Sweet. Just sweet.

If I wanted to drop money and get no sex. I would stay home, keep paying alimony and child support to the old lady. LOL.

[Blanquiceleste]

We dont even have to have sex (to make money), mamasans star bar girl told me. I just sit with the guy. When he talks to me, I lean in and look into his eyes. I laugh when he says something funny and squeeze his shoulder. Then he slips me some dollars as a tip.

Sigh! The end of the world is near. Pinays are smartening up while the mongers seem satisfied without sex. Sweet. Just sweet.

[Red Kilt]

Just a short post to get the thread back on to mongering despite all the useful forex information.

I just read an article by a journalist who spent time in AC. It is a sensible article and she (the author) was quite even-handed in her reporting.

This paragraph took my eye.

". . . the mamasan did the math for me. By managing around four different boyfriends, her top girls can make up to P80,000 a month - each. It requires skilled juggling and multi-tasking but that is made easier through technology and varying timezones.

We dont even have to have sex (to make money), mamasans star bar girl told me. I just sit with the guy. When he talks to me, I lean in and look into his eyes. I laugh when he says something funny and squeeze his shoulder. Then he slips me some dollars as a tip..