Zurich

[BackpackBrian]

I've been to Artemis and Palace and other German FKK's and I like the fact they are all nude, except Dessous Day (lingerie day) usually Wednesday. Is it the same in Globe and Club Life and the other Zurich clubs?

Also most of the girls in the German FKK's save completely (bald). I actually like a little landing strip. Do more girls in Globe and Life have landing strips then in the German FKK's.

[AdamCki]

.....Yesterday, I decided to touch with my hands the situation of Globe. I expected a below average LU and very few customers, with the girls bored and nervous. Well, it was completely the opposite!

The club was packed with customers, to the extent that the Restaurant had finished the menu food by 8:00 and at a certain points there were in the main floor only 6 girls, of course busy chatting with customers and not less than 30 polar bears with a puzzled and bored face expression (I was one of them!

To cut short, said by someone who is not a fan: the club is in good shape!

Good to hear J. About a packed Tuesday and a club in shape, according to your opinion! Now I wonder why all these man on a day (Tuesday) which is known to having not many girls around (that is the smallest TP of the week) ? I am not surprised by the 5 to 1 ratio of men vs girls. Pick a better day fellas! LOLOLOL.

A question: if many girls complain about very little work this year (inc Sidney and Ariana), where is the problem? So many men go to the club and don't, ehm, fuck? Or those girls are already yesterday's news?

[Dufey]

Clubs in the south of Switzerland are constantly gay clubs. I would fullt expect the German area clubs to be also gay clubs at this time.

Man the Clubs in the south are filled to the brim like sardines in a can marinated with Italian olive oil.

[Maxime]

It is known that Globe remains to have a decent line up, also during December holidays: even during Christmas Days they have around 60 girls present!

In Germany most clubs are becoming gay clubs in this period, with many men and only few girls left, with Sharks and F39 as a good positive exception. How is this with the other (sister) clubs in CH, like History, Westside and Club Swiss? On the website you see the Tagesplan of course, and those look a little limited now, but how will that develop the coming week (s)? Any people experience?

[ShoesAndSocks]

I thought the club only took off the 8% MWST.

I read in a report on the club-sponsored website back around May something that translated along the lines of "The girls now have to pull the trigger 16 CHF per 30 minutes. Earlier it was only the VAT included. This would be 10.40 CHF. ".

The 10.40 must be 8% on a 130 cost of service, so we pay 140 to cover their fee plus 10.00 of the 10.40 tax, and then the girls pay over the 0.40 remaining tax plus a 5.60 club levy out of the 130.

So, their nett take is CHF 124 per 30 minutes. The extra levy was confirmed to me when I visited mid-year. Whether it remains to this day, I don't know.

I'm sure the Globe empire still turns a profit, but perhaps not as much as before. But, how many businesses are thriving at present? It still amazes me how many people in business are still saying how things remain subdued post-GFC, given it was nearly 8 years ago now. I read there's no snow in the Alps, and the ski season is shaping up poorly, and not for the first year. Times are tough for many, especially in a region so reliant on tourism?

As for the ladies, based on my recent visit? Well, the proactive, service-minded ones seem to be doing OK, and they do very well whenever I visit.

[Samplerr]

That would indeed be very conservative. And, since the CHF-EUR decoupling event at the start of 2015, the ladies have to hand over part of their CHF 140, so I think they only keep around 120 after MWST and club cut.

I thought the club only took off the 8% MWST. Anyway, I think JB's estimate is in the ballpark. Back in 2010 when they had 8 clubs, Ingo paid tax on an income of 2. 8 M. I don't know if that includes the cut of earnings that goes to his partners in Germany.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/17592982...tml?comments=1

[ShoesAndSocks]

If I make the very, very conservative assumptions, that Globe makes no money from drinks, VIP rooms and Restaurant and only average 100 daily tickets (girls included), every year Globe has a turnover of 3. 467.500 CHF!!

That would indeed be very conservative. And, since the CHF-EUR decoupling event at the start of 2015, the ladies have to hand over part of their CHF 140, so I think they only keep around 120 after MWST and club cut.

How much do you guys typically hand over when you leave, i.e. pay on top of the CHF 105 at entry?

For me, it would be around CHF 70-100 to cover meals (I sometimes buy a girl dinner - they don't get free meals, and some pay for in-club accomodation) plus alcoholic drinks for ladies (who get a small cut, like CHF 4 on a CHF 20 drink).

[KaveMan]

If I make the very, very conservative assumptions, that Globe makes no money from drinks, VIP rooms and Restaurant and only average 100 daily tickets (girls included), every year Globe has a turnover of 3. 467.500 CHF!!

I would estimate they make half that; and after sunk costs; "costs of revenue", taxes, and "recruiting" its under half-million which is what a Top Lawyer or Bank Trader makes, which makes it worth his while.

If its truly north of CHF 3 Million, authorities would watch and other investors would join to scale it to a touristic business like a major restaurant or hotel.

-On several occasions I have been there for 6+hours and counted under 25 women.

-That leaves 75 men per day; so 6 man groups ever hour for 12 hours; I have seen at most 2-3 men come in groups and staggered not every hour.

I would recognize groups of 35+ men; either in locker rooms or showers or on couches; usually I see 12-15 men on couches and 10-12 in rooms likely.

Others Costs:

-16 Salaries (3 front desk; 3 managers; 3 bartenders; 3 kitchen; 2 laundry; 2 maids).

-Insurance (with pools, hot tubs, showers; saunas; sure its not cheap).

-Legal; sure there is liability and suits.

-Medical testing?

-Kitchen operates at Loss / free food for girls?

-Card / banks fees.

-Taxes (property, liquor, food, State pensions?

-Kickbacks to taxis OR pimps.

-"Recruiting" Loans: magically bring girls with no income, and subsidizing them until they can support themselves; (air, transportation, motels, visas, etc?

Again, I have no insight; but, I have always seen Globe "less full" rather than "packed" over dozen visits in last 12 mos.

[Belbo]

Obviously the strong CHF vs EUR (or weak EUR vs CHF) killed many Germans French Austrians and Italians customers going regularly to Globe. Also many swiss ones, Switzerland is not living on another planet they swiss need to deal with countries around and with strong CHF their export is dead alas their EU customers hence many swiss are reducing their incomes too. or Simply swiss go to fkks in Germany or Austria due to their strong Currency, who knows!

Add that the sauna club formula is a little boring everywhere in GSA after the excitment of the first boom years thanks to the internet, too many clubs offering mediocre sessions as well. The pay sex scene around naked clubs or saunas needs a refresh in general, new ideas and settings. Top ladies move to wealthier markets (dubai, london, etc) and work as private escorts.

As for Globe if Ingo is not an idiot and wants not to run away with the cash (and close the clubs), he needs a serious restructuring for 2016. New prices, new working hours (less) and reduce the staff too (who needs say 3 supervisors??), buffet for customers always not only silly sunday silly 5 hours (c'mon , rat), smaller TP (50/60 girls are too many) and with better quality. Too many lazy romanian street hookers lately in G just to fill up numbers, who cares about them? A new location, fresh and modern would be cool too, but I don't think he wants to invest. Usually when times are hard who invests wins. Or sinks like the Titanic. We'll see.

I think you are going too far, even if there are signs of decline, which the management of the club had better not to neglect.

If I make the very, very conservative assumptions, that Globe makes no money from drinks, VIP rooms and Restaurant and only average 100 daily tickets (girls included), every year Globe has a turnover of 3. 467.500 CHF!!

I can not believe that the Club is not any more profitable, I have read somewhere that Bumsalp breaks even with 56 Customers every day and the offer drinks and food (and in 2009 the rent was 250.000 CHF every year)!

Yesterday, I decided to touch with my hands the situation of Globe. I expected a below average LU and very few customers, with the girls bored and nervous.

Well, it was completely the opposite!

The club was packed with customers, to the extent that the Restaurant had finished the menu food by 8:00 and at a certain points there were in the main floor only 6 girls, of course busy chatting with customers and not less than 30 polar bears with a puzzled and bored face expression (I was one of them!

Regarding the LU, it is a matter of taste, but I have seen at least 5 new girls very attractive and I counted not less than 15 girls who were well worth the price. What do we want more?

The LU was enriched by two very well welcomed return; one, Marissa, the best performer ever in the Club, who showed a great trained body! She is a nice person, but also a moody girl and let's say yesterday was not her best day.

The second is Irina, less known, as she worked only from time to time in 2014, but whose level of beauty and elegance makes her one the most beautiful of all times, same level as Lola, Evita e Ariana, if not higher; it would easily stand out even in Aphrodisia. Of course, she had a long queue of customers waiting for her and was busy all day.

To cut short, said by someone who is not a fan: the club is in good shape!

[KaveMan]

As for Globe if Ingo is not an idiot and wants not to run away with the cash (and close the clubs), he needs a serious restructuring for 2016....smaller TP (50/60 girls are too many) and with better quality. Too many lazy romanian street hookers lately...
A new location, fresh and modern would be cool too, but I don't think he wants to invest.

At first trips, I was critical of Globe; like a FKK inspector (facility, food, LU); then I saw reality of 'managing' the gals.

Its like herding cats.

He recruited many faces last year; and most sat around yawning, looking at watch or accosting clients.

Then their are the freak gals (racists, brats, games, insults); and the seasonality (mentioned elsewhere).

However, once noise is filtered out; you see magic of clean facility / gourmet food / fuck / drink efficiency; and discipline needed to get most out of system.

He's rebuilding men's showers!

[KaveMan]

Ariana has been working on and off almost 5 full years...

Laura has been in Globe since, oh my gosh, mid 2010!

When they told me they were 29, 31 respectively, immediately the bloom faded off the rose.

That why 20 year old Emma and 21 Janina are so worth it at Aphro!

I for one can never re-fuck same girl; must be my Genghis Khan DNA pillaging new 'virgins' and territory.

[Belbo]

For sure Sidney very generous performance (and I say very, hence I went 3 x with her. Details are not elegant, LOL) makes her very popular combined with her looks.

Regarding her "declining popularity", well I can tell you SHE herself in person told me that last year and late 2013 when she started she did not have a free second to breathe, this year instead she said it has been very bad her business compared to the past. Go figure. And oddly first time last year I had almost to beg her to come with me since so busy, this year first time I found her all alone without anybody looking for her, second time unbelievably SHE SAW ME ALONE AND SHE CAME TO ME! When this ever happens with Sidney?? LOL.

Heard this form Ariana and Polish Laura too.
Not sure if EU recession, travel drop off, refugees, Euro. Or what but business seems down.

Being a regular customer of the club in the last 3 years, I have seen a concerning decline in the numbers of customers, especially in the last year: regarding Sidney, I do not believe she has lost attractiveness or charm, there are just less customers and she is not any more a new girl (all punter like to change and vary); that's why she is making less money (same as for Laura e Ariana).

As fare as the quality of girls is concerned, I have never been a huge fan of the Club, and only few times I was enthusiastic about it, but I do not personally agree that the level has worsened that much: last time I was there I have seen 3 new attractive girls and overall I have counted at least 8/10 girls that were well worth a room, exactly like 3 years ago. I may be wrong, but going regularly in a place reduce a lot the original enthusiasm, even if the place is more or less the same.

[AdamCki]

Heard this form Ariana and Polish Laura too. Not sure if EU recession, travel drop off, refugees, Euro. Or what but business seems down.

About these two old ladies crying misery, I add Ariana has been working on and off almost 5 full years next January in the club, so she is old news (and too much makeup now) to many regulars who fucked her as early as beginning of 2011. What she pretends now? She should have packed her bags long time ago.

Laura has been in Globe since, oh my gosh, mid 2010! I never liked her anyway (while fucked her cousin Sylwia a few times but many moons ago, now again a case of too much makeup.) so again she is at the end of the road in Globe. Leaving is not an option uh? ;o).

[AdamCki]

Heard this form Ariana and Polish Laura too.

Not sure if EU recession, travel drop off, refugees, Euro. Or what but business seems down.

Obviously the strong CHF vs EUR (or weak EUR vs CHF) killed many Germans French Austrians and Italians customers going regularly to Globe. Also many swiss ones, Switzerland is not living on another planet they swiss need to deal with countries around and with strong CHF their export is dead alas their EU customers hence many swiss are reducing their incomes too. or Simply swiss go to fkks in Germany or Austria due to their strong Currency, who knows!

Add that the sauna club formula is a little boring everywhere in GSA after the excitment of the first boom years thanks to the internet, too many clubs offering mediocre sessions as well. The pay sex scene around naked clubs or saunas needs a refresh in general, new ideas and settings. Top ladies move to wealthier markets (dubai, london, etc) and work as private escorts.

As for Globe if Ingo is not an idiot and wants not to run away with the cash (and close the clubs), he needs a serious restructuring for 2016. New prices, new working hours (less) and reduce the staff too (who needs say 3 supervisors??), buffet for customers always not only silly sunday silly 5 hours (c'mon , rat), smaller TP (50/60 girls are too many) and with better quality. Too many lazy romanian street hookers lately in G just to fill up numbers, who cares about them? A new location, fresh and modern would be cool too, but I don't think he wants to invest. Usually when times are hard who invests wins. Or sinks like the Titanic. We'll see.

[ShoesAndSocks]

Not sure if EU recession, travel drop off, refugees, Euro. Or what but business seems down.

I too heard the same tune during this year. About the most upbeat I heard was an unconvincing "it's been OK".

When I first went to Zurich, 1 AUD = 0.93 CHF. Now it's 0.68 CHF. Wish I had stockpiled a lot more CHF. I now understand why Swiss Bank accounts are so popular

One reason I visit Swiss FKK (CHF 104) and Club Palace (CHF 110) more often. I can recoup a bit of that exchange rate difference, while still enjoying Globe-style service.