FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

[McAdonis]

How do we know which girls are gypsies? We know there are a minority of them in Ro. It's likely that Gypsies will get into the WG industry. Just because a girl pulls a fast one, scams, cheat, lie, shark, upsell, or whatever have you, is it certain she is one?

Scamming is so rampant in RO, I believe ROs develop a natural distrust. I was in Bucharest main train station last year trying to buy an international train ticket. This middle-aged gentleman and his son were gracious enough to help translate for me with the sales lady. During this transaction, a 70-year old white RO beggar lady interrupted the four of us crying, with a sob story. None of the three ROs even acknowledged her presence.

Scams happen everywhere of course. Nigeria, Asia etc.

Number of gypsies in mainstream FKKs is hard to say. I assume most will not admit it if they can pass off as a non-gypsy.

I was making smalltalk with young ROs in pubs along Strada Selari in Old Town Bucharest. Small sample size that was limited to "big city people" but seems most ROs absolutley HATE gypsies and they have no notion of political correctness about it. Madonna was greeted with chorus of boos once when she tried to defend gypsies. Never heard a single Manele song in any pub entire time BTW. Musical taste is usually acquired via social circles--just saying.

[PussyLiccker]

I also wonder why all girls don't love DATY. Easiest buck ever made. Especially for so called star fish. Don't feel a thing, but just sit back, and think about next visit to the mall or something. Anyway, they must have their reasons.

Carla is indeed so good. Absolutely no BS. And no prude, if you ask her she would be willing to fuck you right there at the bar stool. Total delight.

Yes, I can't imagine DATY being a difficult service. What I think is that there are guys that take importance of that service aspect (same for kissing), that they can try to test out if the punter will pay extra for it. Some services are pretty clearly defined in the standard service like suck and fuck, DATY and kissing ain't. Same goes for girls that tells guys extra for fingering.

[PussyLiccker]

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

In some clubs, men typically or always chooses the girls. Aca for example, there is the non-approach policy that is pretty obvious. The girls are sitting on the couches waiting for punters. And at some clubs (like GT), it doesn't happen all so often, and typically men takes the initiative. Some men prefer the approach, and other not. Many small clubs around the NRW that girls don't go that far when it comes to approach or not approach at all. Usually sitting, and some make eye contact whatever have you.

I personally prefer being able to approach the girls myself. I don't waste the girl's time (and mine) that I'm not interested in. There are exceptions to all this. Cheyenne approaches in a good fashion, and then there are the annoying ones. Also, Ina knows how to play the game without approach. A slight smile from a distance sitting down works well.

There are some girls I thought came off a bit cold from a distance, or I have not run into. Common saying is that, they don't like to approach, and it's pretty apparent. I can empathize as there are men that they don't know, or as a girl, takes a bit more to show some enthusiasm with all the guys.

Inexperienced girls will take some time to adjust to the approach environment. Some girls approach in duo's, and at times it's for ease of approach.

It's on the same lines as a job in the service industry. They tell their clients what they think they want to hear. Why should that be surprising? They will soon realize, there are men that come in for the experience beyond just suck and fuck, and therefore they learn to provide. Lies(or a different truth), whatever, etc. We've all heard very similar stuff from girls that are commonly said I'm sure.

[PussyLiccker]

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

How do we know which girls are gypsies? We know there are a minority of them in Ro. It's likely that Gypsies will get into the WG industry. Just because a girl pulls a fast one, scams, cheat, lie, shark, upsell, or whatever have you, is it certain she is one?

I met a girl that claim she was indeed a gypsy. Show'd me her dress and everything on her smartphone. Good service, no scams. Pretty girl.

There are different types of girls, non-Ro that tries to pull whatever that they can pull-off if they see the punter is a good target for it. Like anything that involves money, they will try to maximize their earning, and some are more clever at it than others. There are other WGs in clubs, some more experienced than others, they talk, and learn from each other.

[Member #4581]

No I don't (to your first question).

And not sure what makes you think I have any such belief. I said I disagree with some sentiments (which I listed) expressed here. It is quite normal that all of us are not bobble heads agreeing with each other on everything. If all of us agreed on everything, we would have nothing much interesting to talk about here.

Anyway, my comment was related to what Syz said. I too like to talk to the girls a bit during my sessions, as opposed to 30/60 min of non stop slamming. My point was that regardless of what their background is, they are still interesting and worth understanding as real people.

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

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[Pistons]

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

Yes, that is the romanians. Not all are romanians though. Although quite a few are yes. That is why some lie about their counrty of origin too I suppose.

[McAdonis]

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

For some girls, lying is unfortunately second nature. If someone is beating the shit out of you, you learn to say anything to get them to stop.

Girls do get a measure of control back once they've hooked a customer and can get him to do what she wants.

[McAdonis]

Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

Do you believe that everyone has the same value system? And upbringing and environment doesn't influence this value system?

Gypsies are a marginalized, blamed and humiliated group. For gypsies, this creates a hatred for society--sometimes resulting in complete lack of empathy for the victims they are scamming or hurting. "That chump deserved to be scammed". Hence why I said their value system is different. Sociologists posit that the propensity of violence among young African-American males exists for similar reasons.

In a lot of major European cities, gypsies force their children to beg and pick pockets. The skills they pick up begging / manipulating / scamming as children transition well to WG careers. There are some "nice girls" of course. And then there are some girls who have honed their stage-acting and manipulation skills to play the part when it suits their needs.

[Pistons]

Interviewing girls is an interesting topic. I always spend some time during my session talking, trying to get a sense of who they are. I am not a wham bam thank you ma'am type person. Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

However, I also think an objective interview can't be done by a punter. I think these girls tell different things to different customers, and I don't think they are even honest with themselves sometimes. And their relationship with a potential customer is too conflicted. Perhaps they confide to their girl friends, typically other girls in the club? I wonder if they can disclose their true, unvarnished views and experiences with best friends outside the club, as there is bound to be a lot of judging going on, in both directions. It has got to be a very tough job, and perhaps many girls did not take time to really reflect back yet, merely trying to survive day to day.

Most girls hate the constant lying they have to do at these clubs in order to make every guy feel special. And some even quit because of it. Once you get to know the girls, you will find out where they are along those lines as it does drag on them after awhile. Simply put, they hate the fact that it is us men that gets to choose them, and not the other way around. Also, if you turn down some girl's best friends, and she really wanted to go with you and you are perceived rude to some degree, the friend may find it even harder to act nice around you. They want to be in control, yet they are not the ones with the money. And this is what some hate and others suppress in trade for acting.

[Member #4581]

Interviewing girls is an interesting topic. I always spend some time during my session talking, trying to get a sense of who they are. I am not a wham bam thank you ma'am type person. Several comments here very recently went along the lines of "these girls should be treated like piece of meat, they don't respond to incentives, they are misfits and come from low life backgrounds, use them for 30 min and as soon as the session is over don't even look at them anymore, etc etc" - I am paraphrasing these comments but I can't agree.

However, I also think an objective interview can't be done by a punter. I think these girls tell different things to different customers, and I don't think they are even honest with themselves sometimes. And their relationship with a potential customer is too conflicted. Perhaps they confide to their girl friends, typically other girls in the club? I wonder if they can disclose their true, unvarnished views and experiences with best friends outside the club, as there is bound to be a lot of judging going on, in both directions. It has got to be a very tough job, and perhaps many girls did not take time to really reflect back yet, merely trying to survive day to day.

[NF4591]

I maybe be a special case since I normally take 1 hour minimum. Maybe 1 hour includes DATY but 30 minutes does not with some girls. Some girls I do have commented they do provide less in a 30 minute booking. Also they indicate not all customers are treated equal. Maybe depends if they like the customer at all or not. For Anda, I can't comment.

I thought this could be the case, so I told her I would take an hour if DATY is included, but she said no. I do believe that not all customers are treated equal. Because I am not in the club often, the girls don't recognize me, and I probably get less than the regulars get.

[Member #4581]

I also wonder why all girls don't love DATY. Easiest buck ever made. Especially for so called star fish. Don't feel a thing, but just sit back, and think about next visit to the mall or something. Anyway, they must have their reasons.

Carla is indeed so good. Absolutely no BS. And no prude, if you ask her she would be willing to fuck you right there at the bar stool. Total delight.

Some girls are puzzled that guys try to service them with DATY, or think it's funny. However does not mean that they do not like it in all cases. They just wonder why the guy wants to use up time with it, or effectively pay for it, assuming session may have used only 30 minutes without the DATY.

Some girls stop the DATY after a period, saying they don't want to cum, as will make them feel too lazy, however they feel it is better to be honest than to fake it. I don't think faking is a good idea unless girl is very good at making it very realistic which needs special intelligence levels too fool everyone. One girl that would have the intelligence to fake it would be blonde (sometimes) Carla (Erica / Cindy). However she doesn't try to fool the customer, I believe. She is an extremely straight honest confident girl in my experience, whether she ever gets a cum or not.

[XXL]

In Asia, guys who like to fuck ass much more than fuck pussy exist (no extra charge for anal in many places). What is wrong with the pussy, that is what I can't understand?

Just how I feel. I was never into anal because it has unhygienic aspects you can't just ignore and because I feel a bumhole is dead and dry compared to a pussy. Someone had the theory porn had some much anal sex because it also catered to a gay audience. Note that many women are genuinely into anal. From an evolutionary perspective, giving anal is highly adaptive for females as it allows her to satisfy men without the danger of unwanted pregnancy. In FKKs it's a win-win for a girl to prefer anal sex as she can charge extra.

Excessive moaning from a girl that is clearly not natural, is rather off putting for me. I often hear excessive stuff from the next cubicle that sounds like acting to me, accompanied by the bang bang bang of hard fast motion fucking. Could it be moans of pain or do girls like it so hard?

Interestingly, French writer Michel Houellebecq blamed the house music (disco-style music) in swinging clubs for inducing a hectic type of love-making / sucking in couples.

Generally speaking don't like excessive moaning either since no one experiencing real pleasure makes that much noise but I can sometimes "switch", by witch I mean I can get a sort of masochistic kick out of being taken for a ride by an acting girl. What I never do is call her bluff: I play ball so that she's fully convinced she has me where she wants me. When I switch like this, the more outrageously faked the moaning, the better.

I also "switch" when I have a starfish, in which case I switch into what I call, using a synonym of the word, violation mode (imagining I'm a member of a rogue soldiers' horde on a rampage). In the end it's all in your head.

[Syzygies]

Porn is not a good teacher since it teaches to roll out the lips while a good blow-job is with lips rolled in (so as to avoid contact with teeths). Porn is for visual effect only.

Sexual behavior is inborn. Through History girls never learnt to moan. Even (especially?) in times where pornography was not available, girls of a certain age (an earlier age in those days) moaned & sucked & humped from day one if they were any good in bed. If not, they never learnt. This follows from old porn writings. They make interesting reading in that respect. Brantomes' "The Lives of the Gallant Ladies" is an extraordinary document (16th century).

I have to agree. Porn is largely bullshit. It is largely not enjoyable for the actresses in general. They have to just act like they enjoy. Maybe porn teaches acting skills. It does teach the girl just how depraved the mind of a guy can be though, and what sort of degrading things he might want. E. g. CIM is not good enough for some guys. He might need her to swallow or take it on the face etc.

In Asia, guys who like to fuck ass much more than fuck pussy exist (no extra charge for anal in many places). What is wrong with the pussy, that is what I can't understand?

Excessive moaning from a girl that is clearly not natural, is rather off putting for me. I often hear excessive stuff from the next cubicle that sounds like acting to me, accompanied by the bang bang bang of hard fast motion fucking. Could it be moans of pain or do girls like it so hard?

Girls that are really good at sex, seem to have always been that way. I don't when they learned or how long it took to learn.

I sometimes wonder if working FKK is as awful for girls as working in porn industry. I really hope not. I hope to interview girls in the future, and ask them how they rate the customers in general. What percentage are good, nice, tolerable, intolerable, horrific. Can they be honest about this? Do they refuse a lot of customers, that give a bad impression. I have been refused, but fairly rare. I don't know the reason, in all cases. Doesn't matter. Two cases were previous uterus bruising/bleeding. May have a bad reputation for fucking too long, even though not forceful.

[Syzygies]

She did not allow fingers, and she told me DATY would be an extra 50 (and claimed that this is common). Aside from that, it was a good session - 50 euros for 30 minutes, rating 6. 5/10.

This is not common in my experience. I never had to pay extra to do DATY. After all, it already uses up significant time if she can handle it for a long time. Some cannot. Definitely not worth paying extra for it, I reckon, assuming she doesn't really like it at all.

I maybe be a special case since I normally take 1 hour minimum. Maybe 1 hour includes DATY but 30 minutes does not with some girls. Some girls I do have commented they do provide less in a 30 minute booking. Also they indicate not all customers are treated equal. Maybe depends if they like the customer at all or not. For Anda, I can't comment.

Some girls are puzzled that guys try to service them with DATY, or think it's funny. However does not mean that they do not like it in all cases. They just wonder why the guy wants to use up time with it, or effectively pay for it, assuming session may have used only 30 minutes without the DATY.

Some girls stop the DATY after a period, saying they don't want to cum, as will make them feel too lazy, however they feel it is better to be honest than to fake it. I don't think faking is a good idea unless girl is very good at making it very realistic which needs special intelligence levels too fool everyone. One girl that would have the intelligence to fake it would be blonde (sometimes) Carla (Erica / Cindy). However she doesn't try to fool the customer, I believe. She is an extremely straight honest confident girl in my experience, whether she ever gets a cum or not.