Kyiv

[Jojosun]

BTW, I forgot cost of living differences!

I'm not interested in nightclubs / strip clubs neither. Just a decent gym, reasonable restaurants, a college or two and plenty of relaxed nonparanoid people around.

Best bet for you Kharkiv, Kharkov in the East, or Lviv in the west.

Kharkiv is easier.

[How14]

BTW, I forgot cost of living differences!

I'm not interested in nightclubs / strip clubs neither. Just a decent gym, reasonable restaurants, a college or two and plenty of relaxed nonparanoid people around.

I can recommend you a good gym, up near Taras Shevchenka.

[BrasilSoccer0]

BTW, I forgot cost of living differences!

I'm not interested in nightclubs / strip clubs neither. Just a decent gym, reasonable restaurants, a college or two and plenty of relaxed nonparanoid people around.

I never find Kyiv stressful, I'm not interested in nightclubs / strip clubs etc, I'm a musician, so I get plenty of freebies etc, but top quality is only a phone call away if I want something special. Them little towns you mention, I've done gigs in them, and a few other places, again good for freebies if your involved in some sort of entertainment, but for the p+p scene not so good. Don't be put off by Kyiv, there are not so many tourists there. A lot of the tourists who used to go there were Russians, they don't go now.

[YellowPaul]

Is it Safe to use mamba if you are not a local and don't speak Russian or Ukrainian?

Perhaps there are higher risk to meet crooks?

I suppose that prostitutes that belong to a network have no interest in stealing their costumers, because it would affect the business.

Reliance has always been an important factor in business.

Does someone have a list of hotels in Kiev who are girl friendly?

I spent a few days in Bontiak hotel in December. I brought once a prostitute in my room. They said nothing.

But I m not sure that if I had done it several times, they would have remained silent.

They saw the taxi remained parked just in front of the entrance during one hour. I suppose they understood what was happening.

NEVER meet at your place or give the address. I always tell them to meet across the street, take way I can walk away with she is not the same person or the situation looks suspicious.

[DaVinci76]

Is it Safe to use mamba if you are not a local and don't speak Russian or Ukrainian?

Perhaps there are higher risk to meet crooks?

I suppose that prostitutes that belong to a network have no interest in stealing their costumers, because it would affect the business.

Reliance has always been an important factor in business.

Does someone have a list of hotels in Kiev who are girl friendly?

I spent a few days in Bontiak hotel in December. I brought once a prostitute in my room. They said nothing.

But I m not sure that if I had done it several times, they would have remained silent.

They saw the taxi remained parked just in front of the entrance during one hour. I suppose they understood what was happening.

[How14]

I actually read about this MOD in this board. Obviously it works for you. And it makes perfect sense especially as you said, you know keiv quite well.

Since this will be my first trip to ukraine I don't have that incentive to follow THIS strategy. But once I find a girl I like we can both go on road trips including Keiv!

In general the main reasons I dislike capitas are;.

1- Too many outsiders (including other Ukrainians) and tourists.

2- I don't like to be around stress and corrupt souls and it's been my experience that capitals are cesspools full of them.

Btw, it sounds that you may also be familiar with other smaller towns. Can you share the "Good, bad and ugly)
?

Cpaseeba belshoy.

I never find Kyiv stressful, I'm not interested in nightclubs / strip clubs etc, I'm a musician, so I get plenty of freebies etc, but top quality is only a phone call away if I want something special. Them little towns you mention, I've done gigs in them, and a few other places, again good for freebies if your involved in some sort of entertainment, but for the p+p scene not so good. Don't be put off by Kyiv, there are not so many tourists there. A lot of the tourists who used to go there were Russians, they don't go now.

[BrasilSoccer0]

I actually read about this MOD in this board. Obviously it works for you. And it makes perfect sense especially as you said, you know keiv quite well.

Since this will be my first trip to ukraine I don't have that incentive to follow THIS strategy. But once I find a girl I like we can both go on road trips including Keiv!

In general the main reasons I dislike capitas are;.

1- Too many outsiders (including other Ukrainians) and tourists.

2- I don't like to be around stress and corrupt souls and it's been my experience that capitals are cesspools full of them.

Btw, it sounds that you may also be familiar with other smaller towns. Can you share the "Good, bad and ugly)
?

Cpaseeba belshoy.

Not sure you will enjoy life in those cities you mention, they are quite boring, picturesque, but not much happening, far better to set up base camp in Kiev, and you can invite these girls there if you do the legwork now, in my experience out of city girls love the opportunity to come to Kiev, and if you know Kiev well, you can easily impress a girl and "show her around".

I've done this many times, I know Kiev quite well.

[Stevie69]

Yes, and I am sure she was a virgin too.

Ummmm, you don't understand! She is not a "working girl" Pretty certain this was her 1st time getting "a gift" as she likes to say. Know for sure I was the 1st Western guy. She still is in awe of my "cut" cock! By the way, I've got the girlfriend, but she can not come so often.

LS I have needs' Guy.

[Stevie69]

Well, as it has been said here, before you invite a girl into your apartment, you have to sanitize it properly. Nothing valuable should be visible or easily reachable. Inside a drawer is not good enough. Even inside your suitcase might not be enough. Well, if you lock your suitcase, or put it upside down in a closet, then maybe it is okay. And in any case, unless she is in the bathroom, you should never leave a girl out of your sight for longer than 30 seconds. There was a guy here who even suggested renting 2 apartments side by side, one for keeping your stuff and one for sex. I would love to find this girl and foil her attempts to steal form me.

Hi Mongers,

For those of you in Kiev now or in the future, be careful of this 22 yrs blond girl Yuliya. She is a thief, who has stolen from a friend of mine.

http://www.mamba.ru/en/mb1558118680
She stole some cash, and his smartphone from inside a dresser in the living room of my friend's apt near center.

That is a few hundred $$ loss.

Happened yesterday night.

My friend is also planning to go to police.

No ones likes theft.

Guard your belongings.

And steer clear of this girl
Her mamba profile may now be blocked. Here are 2 photos from her profile page, so you know

Ciao.

Misc.

[Alex57]

I have noticed that Mamba, recently becoming more and more frustrating! Also, now, many girls ask for money, claiming that they are not from Kiev, and they need money to be sent for transportation! I will never pay a penny for someone who I have not even met or seen! For me it is really crazy! To send money, even little money for a girl (she could be a man) just seeing her beautiful photo on Mamba!

[How14]

Hi,

I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

Thanks to all.

Totally agree with Alex, I have several agency numbers most of them use viber / what's app / line etc, they send me photos of the girls, I tell them my criteria, usually I like a 18/19 yr old, size 6-8 with model face, I usually get what I ask for, price is usually 1000 hriv +taxi, I've never been disappointed with the girl that's arrived, and often they have been better than there photos, often students doing it for extra cash, or sometimes they have medical condition, but often the girl is not experienced but hey, how can you complain with a fit 18-20 yr old in your bed.

So yeah, we should not pay more than Alex has said 1500 is good money in Ukraine for 1 hour.

[How14]

Thank you for this info. I followed the link for the article you included and found a treasure of Ukraine related stuff.

One thing surprised me though on the salary map in the article, they show a higher salary for Dnepropetrovsk, a region I am very interested in, than Keiv. Do you agree with this or you believe Dnepropetrovsk has lower salaries than Keiv?

Also, I agree better small cities as I always avoid capitals! The cities I'm considering are Dnepropetrovsk and Nicolaev. I read western ukrainian women are more attractive than eastern ones.

Thinking in spending 2-3 months renting an apartment from locals, enroll in local gym. Basically set up a base for hunting and befriending regular girls from universities, cafes, supermarket. . etc.

What do you think? Any advice on the above would be appreciated and also have you considered Medellin, Colombia? I'm currently living there and renting a 16th floor apartment with a great view for 500 k cop. Life is great. Got a sweet setup here and I can easily see myself replicating it globally provided I get accurate economic info on the country including salaries and rent!

AND GUYS PLEASE STOP THE INFIGHTING, JUST STICK TO THE FACTS. EVERYONE'S INPUT IS APPRECIATED. EVEN IF I DISAGREE WITH YOUR MOD TRUST ME I LEARN FROM WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

Not sure you will enjoy life in those cities you mention, they are quite boring, picturesque, but not much happening, far better to set up base camp in Kiev, and you can invite these girls there if you do the legwork now, in my experience out of city girls love the opportunity to come to Kiev, and if you know Kiev well, you can easily impress a girl and "show her around".

I've done this many times, I know Kiev quite well.

[How14]

Hi,

Cannot say all salary.

But bills supermarket workers take 2000. Some directors and higher position earn 5500. I read once an advertise of job offer outside a bill, kind of directors managers was offered 5500 gryvnia (to say a secretary of 19 unskilled can't earn more than 4000).

Coffee machine people 100 gryvna day.

Officiant, basic from 2 to 4 k plus some tips.

Bank workers, from 4500 to a lot but only for manager of top level, a corporate finance specialist earn 10000 probably.

Shopping girl, hairdresser, manicure 4000 6000 sometime more depends on salon position. I had a girl doing manicure and was skilled working freelance, she was earning no more than 150 gryvna day.

Best sector for salary medium size is IT sector, I wrote from 1000 dollar up, but I doubt these are the level of salaries, probably if you work with it foreign company.

In Kiev big money are manager of foreign and user corporation, some sportsman TV cinema some not every, most of rich are official of government corrupted 100%, and some gold diggers can have more than 10 k euro month from various providers, I know some one earn 6000 euro fixed month..

Agree with most of what you say, all apart from your price of $150 all night for top girl from the boat, as I recall they always asked for about $300 all night, I've had girls from there for $150 but that was maybe 4-5 am with not much happening at that time for some girls maybe midweek. Enjoyed your post tho, keep them stats coming.

[CockMushroom]

Hi,

I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

Thanks to all.

I've seen lots of posts like this, but never any actual contacts, just 'look at mamba and work for weeks trying to find a working girl who will fuck you'.

Are there actually any honest to god P4P girls here?

[Alex57]

Hi,

I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

Thanks to all.