Rio de Janeiro Reports

[Junior]

Amazing, the Carnival in Rio is going on and all the reports in the Rio de Janeiro thread on the last 3 pages are about paying upfront or not.

There are those who do and those who talk. Certainly being in the first group is more fun than being part of the latter.

[Balboa]

Had a buddy come into town, and he wanted to check out Mabs and Barbarela.

Not normally my thing, but went along anyway.

I actually had never been to Barbarelas, so I though, WTF, I'll check it out.

Mabs cracks me up really.

More so the guys there than the girls really. No offense to any Mabs regulars here.

There are really some strange characters that hang there.

While there at Mabs, I went inside the restroom, there was a fairly hot blonde girl nearby, so of course I was checking her out visually, when a total unkept, loud, obese goon pops up to me and says, "Sorry fella, she's mine, taken".

I said, "Congratulations, I'm sure she's thrilled", LOL.

The girl had that, my life sucks, look on her face.

Anyway, as most guys know already, Mabs is a mostly gringo hangout, with mostly either over the hill, around the block a gazillion times, type garotas hanging about, Yes, with an occasional hottie that pops in.

Didn't like it the first time I went, I like it even less now, LOL.

More on Barbarrlas later.

[Member #4405]

Paying upfront is not a big problem, those girls also have bad experience with some clients I always pay upfront when we are in the room I've never had bad experience you just have to be clear about what you want, many girls I went with they wanted to stay more I wanted them to leave when I pay a girl I just want to fuck her until I'm tired then I go back home.

Don't forget you will be alone with the girl in the room, just show her you are not a jerk but also not an idiot, show the clock before starting, ask her which service is included, if it all night just be precise what time you want her to leave because morning means many things, 6 am, 7 am, 8 am, 9 am 10 am.

I never dealt with street or VM girls most them are ugly only few are average.

There are many services you have to pay upfront, hotel, monthly rent, plane ticket, entrance to the night clubs, train ticket, takeaway food, supermarket, technology products (phone, computer, TV etc) internet, gas, water, subscription, season ticket, entrance to the museum, park, school, university, etc.

Prostitution is not illegal in Brazil but it is also not recognized so if there are some trouble those girls can't do anything because the police doesn't care because those girls don't pay any tax it is not because it is illegal in the USA girls can ask upfront payment even in the USA prostitutes rip off and steal.

In Brazil the police just cares about people that pay.

[Sperto]

Amazing, the Carnival in Rio is going on and all the reports in the Rio de Janeiro thread on the last 3 pages are about paying upfront or not.

[Combo]

When I'm in a 3rd Country like Brazil Rio, There is no way I can pay a working girl up front. If she ask for money up front, I will kick her out and just look for the next girl, The only place where I paid a working girl upfront is in the USA. I can understand if a escort in the United States where technically its illegal for you to be selling your body. So she has to ask for money upfront, to avoid scams, or guys that will run out as if your a escort. You cannot run to the police, because its illegal.

Well said and great logic. Over the years, I've learned to never pay upfront. If the girls pushes the issue, I show her the door.

[ForceSteeler]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

When I'm in a 3rd Country like Brazil Rio, There is no way I can pay a working girl up front. If she ask for money up front, I will kick her out and just look for the next girl, The only place where I paid a working girl upfront is in the USA. I can understand if a escort in the United States where technically its illegal for you to be selling your body. So she has to ask for money upfront, to avoid scams, or guys that will run out as if your a escort. You cannot run to the police, because its illegal.

[The Cane]

I know this is the oldest "controversy" in the monger world but one thing you're not taking into account is the point of view and experiences of the working girl. Almost every single girl has had a nightmare experience with a flaky and / or creepy guy who pays less or nothing than what was agreed on.

Actually, the oldest "controversy" would be paying too much, followed closely by paying too much upfront hahaha! And I for one absolutely do take the point of view of the providers into account. But what about all the honest mongers out here? Almost every single one of us has had at least one nightmare experience too! And prostitution is absolutely much more like getting a haircut than it is shipping your luggage with an airline, since it's a "personal" service. Getting a haircut, a massage, a pedicure. Getting your pipes cleaned is "personal" to you the "consumer" just like getting your teeth cleaned is! Paying for sex is paying for a personal service, and it absolutely is not common practice (at least where I come from) to pay for personal services upfront! Maybe the guy before me ripped the tute off, but I'm not that guy and will not accept being treated with disrespect by having to pay for what he did! It's like the antidote to racism. Judge me as an individual based on the content of my personal character and my personal character alone. The bottom line is that it's our money, not theirs. And despite what some may think, it's money that makes the world go around, and not pussy!

[Lonzof]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

You are 100% correct. Too many women in Rio to get suckered. Just see them to the door and hold the HARD for the next one.

Lonzof.

[Mongmann]

I got burned one time paying upfront in 2008 and I vowed to never do it again. Here's the deal, without a doubt it is customary in Rio for the girls to get paid afterward. EVERY GDP there knows that and if she says she doesn't then she's lying. If she asks for money upfront the likelyhood of her being trouble down the line skyrocket. I always kick them out if they even ask upfront even if they relent and agree to take it afterward. Just the fact that she even tried that bullshit says to me that she's running a game that I want no part of. I tell them we're done and I show them the door. Here's the bottom line, if she asks you for anything upfront then she's saying to you,"I think you're a fuckin idiot and you might just give it to me". I'll pass.

[The Cane]

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen.

Yes, the "where" is extremely important. I thought about that as I was writing but left it out since my post was already long enough, and given the fact that the point you raise should be obvious common sense. As for me, I only patronize reputable establishments. I don't deal with random street tutes or VM hood rat types ever! So whatever their "swindle" might be doesn't concern me because those types will never have a shot at my wallet. I don't seek or want their services. Those guys who do need to be extra careful yes.

[Phunluv]

I know this is the oldest "controversy" in the monger world but one thing you're not taking into account is the point of view and experiences of the working girl. Almost every single girl has had a nightmare experience with a flaky and / or creepy guy who pays less or nothing than what was agreed on. These kinds of stories also get around fast on the chica network and scare the girls.

It's true that in the normal economic world, we pay after the service is rendered, although there are many exceptions. Plus, it's just plain unrealistic and silly to think that paying for sex is exactly like paying for a hair cut or restaurant meal (examples I've actually read here in the past).

For example, that airline that got you down to Brazil, if the flight was late and misrouted your luggage, you still paid in advance and didn't get anything back for the lousy service.

So the guy doesn't want a lousy lay or get short-timed; and the girl doesn't want to get cheated out of her money. Both sides grapple for the psychological advantage. How to get out of this quandary?

First off, with the agencies and escorts, these girls almost always ask in advance but don't often cheat you because otherwise, they start getting a bad rep (gpguia, etc.). Also I suspect the people who run the agencies strictly train the girls to get the money first.

For you guys out there reading this who are successful in business, if you were running an escort agency, after dealing with a couple of angry girls who didn't get paid (if she didn't get anything, you don't get anything), you'd be training your girls as well to get paid first.

Freelancers working in clubs and bars are a different story. Be careful paying in advance; if you do, more often than not you'll get mediocre service or worse.

Anyway if a chica asks to get paid in advance, I usually now give a short spiel about respect and trust and how I live that way and expect the people I work and deal with to live that way as well. I show her the money, put something on top of it not too heavy, and tell her it's hers once she completes her promise. Then I get her to say she promises to do what we agreed.

If she has any trouble saying it or agreeing, insists on putting the money in her bag, I ask her to leave (after paying her a small go-away fee). Sometimes, they change their mind and get with the program, and it works out OK (or even great). For other girls, it's an ego thing; they'll actually walk away with less money to pretend they're still superior to you in some way. This type can also have serious trust and hatred issues with men in general.

Some girls are sociopath liars, they have no problem promising anything and then totally renege on it. I don't know what the answer is for these types, these girls will lie and betray even the closest family if they had to.

But your average working girl is just a bit flaky and lazy. I'm surprised though that with this type, just getting them to say that they promise to keep their end, makes them a bit less flaky. It's like a little magic (psychology really) that usually works on this personality type.

[FuckAfMedDig]

When you go to work does your boss pay you up front? That is the quickest way to get someone NOT to work. Shit I got my money now I can lazy the day away. When a person is looking forward to getting paid they will put forth more effort working toward that pot of gold.

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen. Even at places like VM when you pay the money goes to the house, and the house holds the money and pays the girl after the workday is over. This way the girl sticks around. If not, the money would likely burn a hole in the girl's hand and she couldn't wait to get out of there to spend it.

Most of the girls at VM get their share when you pay the house!

Where you have a bit of leverage is if she refuses BBBJ / CIM and you can show a cash incentive in the so-called rooms there!

Once after hittin 2 out there I went for round 3 in my drunken state and found negra gostosa but she refused BBBJ / CIM so I showed her 50 reais and she sucked furiously for 45 minutes with newfound enthusiasm!

Just one experience.

[Mr Enternational]

I feel the same way. My buddy who is a 10 Year Monger vet and goes on South America Trips 2 x every month gets pissed when I tell him there were times when I paid up front. Yes I understand most don't get money up front. But I do understand why they would want it upfront. They are giving up their bodies to someone they know 5 minutes.

When you go to work does your boss pay you up front? That is the quickest way to get someone NOT to work. Shit I got my money now I can lazy the day away. When a person is looking forward to getting paid they will put forth more effort working toward that pot of gold.

Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?

You left out a very important part of the puzzle: setting. WHERE you are getting the service from makes a hell of a difference. If it is a random street chick or VM girl then paying up front you are more likely to get a raw deal. But if you are in a reputable establishment such as a termas or privee your chances of getting fucked over in a bad way after paying up front exponentially lessen. Even at places like VM when you pay the money goes to the house, and the house holds the money and pays the girl after the workday is over. This way the girl sticks around. If not, the money would likely burn a hole in the girl's hand and she couldn't wait to get out of there to spend it.

[PatmarBeleza1]

Fantasypimpleague.

Jedi Patmarbeleza and soldier boy have a working girl wars idea. To be added, PM me.

Sith Cartman attempts to stop us, weakly complaining impotently whining.

Pictures not words vader you are grown pathetic and officious, get laid, and send pics not of your palm hahahahaha.

[The Cane]

I've paid in advance and gotten bad service and I've paid in advance twice this trip and got fucked crazy porn style. I've paid after and gotten bad service before as well as paying after and getting great service. For me paying before or after isn't making much of a difference.

And what's your play if you are a pay after guy and she was below average? Not pay her? Pay her less than the agreed on fee? Then what? She's immediately on the phone threatening to call the police, security, her pimp etc. Then just to avoid the attention of the police you pay her the agreed on fee to get the fuck out of your room and life.

As a general rule, I don't like to pay upfront. It's the principle of the thing. I mean, in "real life" how often do we pay upfront for personal services? Services are to be satisfactorily rendered, and then the customer pays. So why should things necessarily be different when dealing with a tute? In my view, they shouldn't be. Not at all. But Soldier Boy, I must concur that you make and draw some very astute observations and conclusions that get to the very heart and practicality of the matter.

Now the truth be told, in virtually every instance where I may have paid upfront (rarely), things have turned out fine and I've been quite satisfied with the outcome (not all of the time but virtually 100% of the time). But as you so adroitly note, the exact same thing can be said for paying afterwards! In other words, this all works the same both ways. At least it has for me. When I've paid afterwards (routinely), things typically have been fine and I've been satisfied with the outcome virtually all of the time, but not 100% of the time. Exact same result as on those rare occasions when I paid upfront! So why do people get all amped up over this subject then if outcomes typically are equivalent when paying for sexual services upfront versus afterwards (again this has been my personal experience)?

Well, because there's always that ingrained resistance to paying for most anything upfront. From a haircut to some cunny! You see, most of us have been taught from a very early age about "caveat emptor". Let the buyer beware being ripped off and burned by foolishly parting with his cash to acquire something, whatever it is! So, that resistance impulse to paying upfront for goods and services is nurtured into us when very young and becomes a "natural" part of who we are as human beings and consumers over time. And with good reason too I might add. After all, there are far too many crooked people in this world. So, even if things are more likely than not to turn out fine when making a "transaction", why take unreasonable chances that expose you to getting little or nothing for your money? Right? Save that for playing the lottery LOL!

I guess what I'm saying is that I see where you're coming from, and what you say holds much logical and practical validity. But I see the other side of this debate too, which also holds water. As I tend to be less trusting of people (they've given me plenty of reason over the years not to trust), I still will always prefer not to pay upfront, and will stick to not doing that as much as possible. Regardless, you are an analytical and thoughtful man Soldier Boy who is capable of grasping and acknowledging the reality and practicality of the facts as they present themselves. Soldier on with your good reporting!