Kyiv

[Riina]

Guys, Il be in Kiev mid May. Does anybody have any insight into Partner Guest House? Seems a good option for apartment rentals.

[Putologist]

Why do so many Ukrainian women have tattoos? Is there any significance to them? Just an observation, even women on the dating sites have them.

IMO, they want to show the world that they are "West" oriented, and this is one way of showing it even without words.

As oppose to Russian women (who live in Russia at least), which mostly don't use tattoos or piercings.

Regarding the dating websites, well, if a woman has self confidence enough to be on a dating site, a tattoo is not a big deal at all.

[Seattle66]

Why do so many Ukrainian women have tattoos? Is there any significance to them? Just an observation, even women on the dating sites have them.

[Riina]

Greetings,

Just returned from a 8 day holiday in Kiev. I knew it was going to be a good trip when there was no queue at the Immigration line at the airport and I had my steady girl providing her considerable oral skills within 65 minutes of me arriving in the country. The only problem with my steady girl, who is an absolute gem or pig depending on your outlook, is that she has now decided she wants a serious relationship with me. As a punishment, I did not see her again on this trip and told her that I was busy. I had some other plans anyhow. I invited two girls from out of town to live with me in my apartment for a nominal fee. One girl was great, the other one got sent home within 12 hours. I consider that a success. I also met a mamba girl who having spent a couple of years in Yorkshire, England had an annoying accent and even worse, she gave very bad head with the excuse that she is not a pro. The weather turned much warmer after the first few days and was 23 C when I left. I also visited Rio which was interesting as probably 70% of girls were new and I had not seen them when I last visited three months ago. I spoke with one of the managers at RIO who confirmed that they have a lot of new girls. I had a private with a very thin blonde who was new and she gave a very lousy lap dance. Entrance to RIO is 300 UAH and privates are still 400 UAH.

Do you know if the new girls at Rio are real hookers or just decoys to window dress the club?

I would suspect with all the world visas given now to Ukrainians that those less lucky throughout country are itching to make their move to the capital. I hope we see more positive reports here for the summer.

[Poker Player 2]

Greetings,

Just returned from a 8 day holiday in Kiev. I knew it was going to be a good trip when there was no queue at the Immigration line at the airport and I had my steady girl providing her considerable oral skills within 65 minutes of me arriving in the country. The only problem with my steady girl, who is an absolute gem or pig depending on your outlook, is that she has now decided she wants a serious relationship with me. As a punishment, I did not see her again on this trip and told her that I was busy. I had some other plans anyhow. I invited two girls from out of town to live with me in my apartment for a nominal fee. One girl was great, the other one got sent home within 12 hours. I consider that a success. I also met a mamba girl who having spent a couple of years in Yorkshire, England had an annoying accent and even worse, she gave very bad head with the excuse that she is not a pro. The weather turned much warmer after the first few days and was 23 C when I left. I also visited Rio which was interesting as probably 70% of girls were new and I had not seen them when I last visited three months ago. I spoke with one of the managers at RIO who confirmed that they have a lot of new girls. I had a private with a very thin blonde who was new and she gave a very lousy lap dance. Entrance to RIO is 300 UAH and privates are still 400 UAH.

[Jojosun]

Hotel + plane prices are really attractive for Kiev, but is it the right time to go in May?

A?

Very good time. Look at the weather chart, today is sunny and nice. http://weather.edition.cnn.com/weath...e=443393557575.

[Jonathan Pine]

KD3,

.........I I have the deepest regrets that in far too many instances, I failed to take other chances to succumb to unreasonable requests of extreme greed when I had opportunities. What I mean is that, Irina had no reason to think I was a walking ATM, but she took a chance, knowing I was weak. In other instances, when I got acquainted with ladies that were not at all experienced having affairs with a foreigner, I failed by hesitating and as a result, probably missed out on what could have been the best experiences I might have ever had.

These were chances I initiated on my own, and at the crucial moment, sitting at a cafe, or at my place sitting on the sofa, in the midst of having normal conversation, instead of trying to continue with a friendship kind of relationship, at the crucial moment, I typically failed to extend a ridiculous sponsorship offer for them to have an affair with me, that could have been accepted. Opportunity missed. So sure, I may now still have that money in some mutual fund account or such, but those chances will never come my way again. Those ladies were not ordinary, they were all 10's. I let them all slip through my hands, for a lack of damn-the-torpedoes fiscal foolishness.

That's why I find myself once again, encouraging you readers to go and invest your fucking guts out, under the right circumstances of course, but be overly generous when this kind of opportunity falls in your lap. Otherwise, later on, you will regret it.

You can't take it with you, right? Think about how helpful $500, or $1000, or even $1500 could make a nice little difference for some struggling lady in a pinch? Weigh that against the insignificance of dying with that pittance in your last will!

Totally agree. Inspiring words.

One will absolutely fall in Russia, but one gets up and keeps going. It's how Russia works. It's the most difficult country in the world but can also be the most rewarding. Nothing is impossible in Russia which is why we love this country.

So what's $500, $1000 in the grand scheme of things? It's nothing. And it might make a huge difference now given the exchange rate.

[TheWhatever]

Hotel + plane prices are really attractive for Kiev, but is it the right time to go in May?

Also any way to make my Mamba profile verified? I tried 1000 x times the phone number sms thingy but I never received a code.

Unless you know something similar to mamba for Kiev?

[CheetahKiev]

Kiev local tour guide + taxi driver + body guard service.

I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.

[CheetahKiev]

I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.

[Melmoths]

I visited 3 massage parlors, 2 of them were scams.

- Allure massage has a promotion: Nuru for only 1000 UAH.

On the internet it looks like a top class parlor with lots of options and girls, but in reality it's just a low level appartment with 2 girls in their mid thirties, maybe even above 40.

As for nuru one didn't even know what it was but was ready to do it. No nuru gel, no air matress anywhere, it would have been performed with just oil. So an oil massage of 1 hour for 1000 by a 40 yo woman. I said no thanks and left.

- Dolly massage: prices look interesting, but there were 4 girls which were 5 or 6's. I still chose one, took the 1 h30 classical + ero + kiss formula for 650 UAH. The girl performed a 15 minutes classical and then a handjob. No kiss. Then she left for 10 minutes, came back, told me to take a shower, I did, then she said she wanted a shower too, left for 15 minutes, and when she came back she said the massage was over and that I could go.

I left quite angry for waiting 40 minutes for nothing. I paid for 1 h30 and got 30 minutes. When I left at 7 PM there were more girls and better looking. Maybe I just picked the wrong one.

- Moulin rouge. Here it's more expensive, but at least you get what you pay for. It's a 30 minutes walk away from maidan whereas the 2 others were very central. But it's in a well decorated modern appartment. I first negociated with the manager, I decided to have a 1 hour massage with 2 girls for 1500 uah with touch and kiss. Then she introduced 5 girls, I picked Anya and Margo, who I'd rate 7 or 8's. The massage truely lasted 1 hour, the gitls were were friendly, almost GFE, they performed a very good 4 handed massage, then great bodyslides.

I fist came during the bodyslide, then I had a second shot while caressing their butts breasts and pussies. Great experience. The pictures on their websites are all real. Note that they have several websites and the prices and offers are not the same so it's important to negociate well before the massage. VIPbodymassage is the same place. I tipped both girls 200 UAH.

[Suka Shalava]

With only a rare exception, such as Jojo's advice from Szczecin, pretty much from Albania, to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Croatia, Baltics, Georgia, Moldova, and Serbia, if you read what members are posting as of late, the common theme seems to be a major lack of success to find opportunities for getting acquainted with above average non-pro ladies to establish GFE sponsorships.

There seems to be no lack of beautiful ladies in these places, endless streams of pretty pedestrians on their way somewhere, in cafes, night spots, and shops, etc. , but if what is posted is accurate, they're unfortunately always just out of reach eye candy for non-oligarch visitors, or in other words, us.

Themes tend to revolve around being ripped off at strip clubs for expensive drinks, unfriendly dancers, massage joint hand jobs, and women uninterested in pleasure, but instead intent upon emptying men's wallets defiantly trying to have it all. I would suspect that many members posting from these countries must have been there for business, and so they didn't have any choice to travel elsewhere.

But for anyone that does have a choice, once again I'll encourage you to think out of the box, to venture beyond the commonly traveled paths, eastward to the source. Russia is far from perfect. Putting too much of your trust in the wrong person can be a dangerous minefield waiting for you to make a misstep to blow off your legs.

But on the other hand, there are so many more normal average nice people willing and pleased to have positive friendly relationships, if you show them respect, some admiration, and if you are consistently generous. The investments of your time, efforts, patience, and sponsorships can lead to the GFE rewards that are clearly not evident in the vast majority of what is posted west of Russia's borders.

[Jojosun]

. The only scam by Mamba girl I can think of is being taken to a really expensive restaurant on your first dinner date (A restaurant of her choice, but you can check prices first) and she would take her % cut as a kickback, so what, if she is to your liking and you're willing to pay if it leads on to sex?.

How a dinner date in a Kiev restaurant could turn into an expensive scam. Personally I've never been scammed in Kiev or Donetsk.

2 Places to avoid anyway, Kaiserhof and Tarantino Grill according to tripadvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Kiev Scam".

Review of Kaiserhof.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Complete Scam".

Review of Tarantino Grill & Wine Bar.

Requests for gifts and additional expenses by Mamba girl are at your discretion and how to handle the situation if she brings up the subject.

[Jojosun]

Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay 300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.

Very well said. From what you say, you will meet what you want in Kiev. The only scam by Mamba girl I can think of is being taken to a really expensive restaurant on your first dinner date (A restaurant of her choice, but you can check prices first) and she would take her % cut as a kickback, But so what, if she is to your liking and you're willing to pay if it leads on to sex?

Even if this turns out to be a scam, then lesson is learned and there are plenty of Mermaids left in the Dnipro for you to dip your toes into the water.

Kiev is full and easy to meet a lot of interesting girl everywhere. 4 millions people majority beautiful girl.

A lot of girl have left the country, but I repeat 4 million people and more now, there are pussy for all the western europe in Kiev..

[SgtBoyle2]

Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay €300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.