FKK Artemis - Berlin

[Pistons]

But it doesn't mean that it is all over. Round one might be over however. So far no news of a knockout by one side or the other has come out as far as I know...

[Mr Ho]

The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.

For instance, if they found document linking HA with the club or drugs on spot, it will be close the next day, but it is not, therefore this is good sign that police did not find something that is solidly concrete to shut it down right away. Also it mean something in another way too, it definitely mean something for men who travel to the club because they want it open. Some people travel far to come to the club, so it mean a lot to them.

However, the club was not doing nothing wrong about all accusations beside tax, as for tax nobody knows as it is personal matter.

[Hessen Bub]

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

The club being open doesn't mean anything.

HB.

[Mr Ho]

Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

Hmmm this is possible, but whole thing about FKK concept was to erase out criminal gang or mafia owning such a business, so I imagined licensing is issued promptly by German fed. What you wrote is like Yakuza here, they do not own the brothel type places, but yakuza own legit business around brothels like towel supplying company, towel / sheet laundry company, condom supplier etc and brothel have to buy it from yakuza company for very expensive price, so it is all legal for yakuza, maybe HA should learn that LOL.

Also they own these legit companies via fund of fund of fund (few behind to make it hard to trace, sometimes even using offshore holding structure).

Well at least, Artemis being open kind of shows police so far did not find critical solid evidence during the bust, so that is good thing because I like current management.

However, I hope this bust somehow refresh line up of Artemis.

[VaeVictis]

Oblivious to the razzia everyone is talking about me and my friend walked in Artemis yesterday (Friday) with every girl and punter chatting about it. Some of the girls seemed worried of what will happen (they feel their business has been hurt) while others seemed OK with it ("today was very good day for me," said one of the girls). Some punters claimed that some of the girls were taken by the police due to their papers not being OK. Most of the girls, more experienced ones, kept shut about the matter entirely and focused their energy on BJs which is fine by me actually. We met up with two Swedes and stayed from early in the morning to midnight.

The LU seemed reduced to me and bit less predictable but I got bored by Artemis LU for some time now so it may not be due to the razzia. Number of punters seemed low in the morning (compared to the usual) but bit better in the evening with several familiar faces among the visitors (I would expect the regulars to avoid the place if they feared another razzia). As I was leaving I hear.

Did not spy any new talent so I decided to go for the safe bets this evening. I sessioned with Ezra (Tur), Sani (Ro) and Elena (Ro). All three have big breasts with Ezra and Elena being naturals and Sani having well done implants.

Ezra is firecracker willing to go along with almost everything. Just don't play with her nipples, she is really sensitive there. This is the only girl I have seen getting off lesbian show. Elena on the other hand is calculated working girl which has excellent memory of any punter that repeats session with her. I am always surprised on the number of details she remember one year after they happened (you have to remember that she goes through couple of hundred men between sessions with a particular punter).

Sani in particular shined really in the room with good enthusiasm. I suspect she is funny and nice to talk to but with my school German communication is bit difficult. But talk is not why I visit Artemis so that is OK.

[Member #4399]

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

What is really puzzling to me is that almost all messages here simply want to 'find' something illegal in Artemis.

So far nobody has come up with anything substantial.

When I wrote about the absence of naming drugs, you jump in to suggest drugs might be in play.

It is really puzzling.

[PussyLiccker]

Well these brother had money, so I doubt HA gave money to influence their decision in business. As for some girls having pimps are possible, but that has nothing to do with clubs and police cannot prove they knew or they did not know that.

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

Investigations look into things that evade privacy once the court gets sufficient enough evidence to do so. The bust is to gather evidence. The criminal organization is in a level from top to bottom. You got chapters of Hell's all over. Just because somebody is known to be linked to Hell's is probably not sufficient in order to bust those on top of the chain. You need evidence that link the top to bust them. Like cash flow to the top of the known funds came from down under. Like any organization out there, the people at top keep a safe distance being indirectly involved. Those that are directly involved gets the sting. Regarding the owner and all that, it's plausible that Artemis is indirectly owned by Hell's, and that goes the same for the other clubs out there as well. They can just have a decent figurehead that repesent as the owner, but behind the curtains he's not the one that owns the club or gets all the cashflow. It is a cash business, so the flow to a criminal entity cannot be traced, unless there is evidence otherwise.

As for drugs whatever have you, I can't say I've ran into much(except couple exceptions I've encountered at a club) that would cause suspicion to be obvious besides just weed. Magnum is the one club is pretty obvious to me, but have not heard of any sting going on there. Shouldn't be a surprise drugs are involved in this industry.

[ZimmerBaby]

Brilliantly written report amidst the gloom following the events this week. Loved it. I won't trouble you for her number by PM. Not sure I'd fancy what you went through but a really good read and thanks for lightening the mood.

Thank you for kind words sir! Happy to please (within certain limits).

[Mr Ho]

Gangs use money to influence people and gain support. Business owners, corrupt police, politicians, other smaller gangs. Gangs use money to get people to work for them for small or big jobs.

Well these brother had money, so I doubt HA gave money to influence their decision in business. As for some girls having pimps are possible, but that has nothing to do with clubs and police cannot prove they knew or they did not know that.

But the clubs seems to be open, so police do not have any strong evidence of any criminal acts yet beside alleged tax fraud.

[McAdonis]

Hmmm. So owners of the club could have been legitimate puppet is what you are possibly saying? Hmmm, it is possible, but I did not think so. He definitely did not seem average joe who worked in office and open FKK one day, but I strongly think he was not mob.

Gangs use money to influence people and gain support. Business owners, corrupt police, politicians, other smaller gangs. Gangs use money to get people to work for them for small or big jobs.

[PayForIt]

Huge smile on her face. I overpaid with a smile on my face. Think we stayed 75 minutes. Do not know. It was a fantastic experience, her program was scheduled seamlessly as if it was manufactured by Apple Inc software department.

The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.

Brilliantly written report amidst the gloom following the events this week. Loved it. I won't trouble you for her number by PM. Not sure I'd fancy what you went through but a really good read and thanks for lightening the mood.

[Member #4399]

ZB -Ninja say thank Gods, finally interesting report vs all useless ace detective speculations. Enjoy while it lasts.

You are spot on this one but I spent quite some time reading the net and want to tell the following.

There are actually three things in play here, not four and that is worrisome.

1. Tax evasion. Wondering about the figures: 17,5 million for social security and 6 million for taxes. Most likely this follows from the claim that the girls are actually employees and then you have to pay social security and income tax. The ratio of the two figures hints at only this and not anything else. So, there is no lead to presume that Artemis was not paying taxes in any other area. The two figures actually might be derived from the figures Artemis supplied to authorities about due taxes from the girls that Artemis (like many other clubs) mediates between the girls and tax collectors (20 or 30 euros per day, per girl). Authorities are a bit hypocrite in using the SC as an intermediate for tax collecting, putting the administrative burden with the SC and using this as a claim for even more money.

2. Seizure of goods is not just the cash money but property in Berlin and the rest of Germany. Even Bayern is mentioned and this raises questions. Is it simply all the possessions of the two brothers? Is it something bigger than that. Does it lead to someone else really owning Artemis and other clubs? We just have to wait.

3. A girl telling she had no other option than go to the police. It sounds stupid, but it is so obvious, I won't comment on that. Not Artemis abused the girl, the HA did, she said. Subsequently the police do a raid on Artemis. Any mention of HA being raided or anything? No, nothing at all. Any other case in Berlin concerning HA? Yes it is about Kassra Z. You can easily find this case on the internet. Controversy: one part of the authorities believes the "Kronzeuge" (main witness), the other part doesn't. Will they all believe a girl that saw the police as a last resort. I wonder if her story will hold upon close scrutiny.

4. What actually is missing is drugs. Presence in Artemis is the most easy way to put Artemis and mostly any other SC out of business. There is always some girls using drugs. The witness girl must have known about it but this info was not used during the raid. No girls were searched. If they would have done so and would have found drugs, the authorities could have built a strong case and Artemis would have been closed right now.

Especially this part makes me wonder. Who withheld this info and why.

[ZimmerBaby]

Gave you the ROD.

Arigato my Japanese friend!

[Sebastiane]

Great report Zimmerbaby. I'm surprised it was your first time of experiencing pi $$ and spit in mouth at Artemis. It's happened to me a few times but the violence angle was new and sounds enjoyable. Could you PM the girl's name?

Thanks!

[Nille Copenhagen]

The combination of violence and sex was great, I would definitely repeat. But next time I bring my own Apfelschole from the main bar.

I nice one Zimmerbaby! Good to hear you enjoyed light dominants. See you around.