Kyiv

[Bimbo Boy]

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

No, the people are the same. The difference is leadership. Putin has re-established a soviet style hierarchy (the "vertical of power" and mafias and corruption are more or less under control, which unfortunately is not the case in Ukraine. Recentely Poroshenko named one of his friends as Attorney General and the guy has no legal training nor experience. He does not even have a higher education! As he did not fit the legal requirements for being Attorney General, the parliament quickly amended the law a couple of hours before he was sworn in. What a joke.

[Riina]

I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.

I'm talking about fantasies and not dating. I've met enough Ukrainians now that will say yuck to black guys instinctively but told me privately that they would like to suck a black dick. Of course, behind closed doors.

[YellowPaul]

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.

[How14]

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

So, you recon every girl in Kiev would have a black mans cock in there mouths do you? I very much doubt that, and by the sound of it, it seems you might be gay yourself, so better check that out, going on about muscles and tight t shirts.

[Member #4722]

I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.

Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

[Riina]

I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.

[Bimbo Boy]

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

A former girlfriend of mine (a beautiful Russian businesswoman in her 40's) once told me: "Ukrainian woman make great lovers, wives and mothers, but they would not hesitate a minute in fucking your chauffeur!

Of course this is pure jealousy.

I have lived a year in Moscow and 4 years in Kiev. I see nearly no difference between Ukrainian and Russian girls. It is the same former soviet mentality.

[Straun]

So. Seeing all sorts of girls with "viber and WhatsApp" on their profiles. Is that their way of letting you verify their appearance before they come over? Or if you ask for.

More photos and etc you're still talking to some agency who is sending you fakes? Just seems strange they'd include that kind of program link if they weren't willing to show you.

Perhaps video of girl or anything.

[Jonathan Pine]

...As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics....

Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.

So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

[Vaape Camhel]

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.Regards.

You are correct. We can continue the list for ages but I don't think Golda Meier, Konstanin Chernenko, Leo Trotsky can compete with our real subject. Everyone has their own impression of people in each nation. I haven't been in Ukraine yet, but I've been chatting with numerous Mamba girls to have at least dinner dates. If I can't find mamba-pussy there are lot of back-up plans as I read here at ISG. To cut the chase I haven't seen much differences between Russians and Ukrainians online. It's almost impossible to get more than 2-3 words back. But I had good luck before online, so I keep up trying. And call Gia later.

[Jake993]

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.

Clearly this is a complex topic that could go on and on an on in argument. While a lot of Soviet leaders (be they political, cultural or scientific) were from Ukraine, many were not ethnic Ukrainian at all. Conversely, there are many modern famous Russians who have family names that are ethic Ukrainian. And just because a Russian has a Ukrainian last name, it does not necessarily mean that he has ever been to Ukraine, can speak a word of Ukrainian (that's not already common to Russian), has any relatives in Ukraine or considers himself remotely Ukrainian. Conversely, it's not unthinkable to find a guy from Lviv (Lvov) in the far West of Ukraine (Stephan Bandera country) who has a Russian name and whose family has been in the there for 4 or more generations and considers himself a Ukrainian patriot.

The Soviet experiment was a strange mixing bowl. Within the former Soviet Union there were more than 185 different identifiable ethic groups. The geographical and genetic cross pollination that occurred over 80 years has blurred the lines between the groups of which the line between Russians and Ukrainians is only one. (Look up the bio of Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and you will see that he is ethnic Armenian).

As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics. I know a girl from Kharov (Kharkiv) who was born during Soviet times into a family who consider themselves ethnic Russians. However, she has a Ukrainian passport and never really gave the fact much thought. However, after the annexation of Crimea by Russia, she became fervently pro-Ukrainian and vocally anti Russian, anti-Putin. Much to the horror of her family who still consider themselves Russians.

Come to think of it, the situation is probably not a whole lot different than it is in England and Scotland. Just give it a few more years.

[Bimbo Boy]

Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.
And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.
Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.
How can this be?

It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.

[Jonathan Pine]

There has been a discussion on this subject before, and some of us agreed (and some disagreeed) that Russian women and Ukrainian women were very different. Personaly, I find Russian women are more clever, cultured, intelligent and cosmopolitan than their Ukrainian cousins. And more emotional, much more emotional. More honest and loyal also, contrarily to Ukrainians who are rather calculating and sneaky. That said, this is subjective views, based on personal experiences. It sounds effectively strange that ethnically identical girls would be so different. Why would a girl living in Harkov be different of a girl living in Belgorod, that is only 50 miles away? I'd be curious to hear others opinions.

Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.

And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.

Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.

How can this be? Well, one simply can't understand Russia by logic. Same goes for in hobbying in Russia. One simply never knows what might happen next.

And if I may use only a single word to explain the difference between Russians and Ukrainians, it would be "soul". Russians have a soul, Ukrainians, I prefer not not to make a comment. No, I don't work for Putin but yeah I'd jump on the first chance to offer my humble service to the great motherland. Mr. Putin, are you reading this board by any chance? LOL.

There is a famous poem in 19th century written by Fiodor Tyuchev which almost all Russians learn in school. It goes like this.

"Russia cannot be understood with the mind alone.

No ordinary yardstick can span her greatness:

She stands alone, unique.

In Russia, one can only believe."

I thought this poem perfectly captures Russian soul. Yes, there are always ups and downs, actually more like roller coaster rides when one hobbies in Russia, but one can only believe in Russia.

This is a board about pussies, but Russia is unique. Russia stands alone. And Russia can't be understood by the mind alone. One must only believe in Russia. Sorry for getting so philosophical in a sex board.

[Riina]

I am in Kiev. If anybody wants to pm me a hottie not to miss, I will return the favor if it leads to something erotic. I'm starting my travels again to Ukraine and will pm back my future discoveries.

[CallSign Papa]

What is going on here??

I have read all the treads on this Ukrainian forum and up till the end of March in the Kiev section, and its not the same like it was back in the day.

Everything changes, it is the nature of things. Kiev is no exception, adapt or die.

It's certainly not the Kiev of 2004 (my first visit), but let's not get too misty eyed about the past, I had plenty of crummy experiences at the River Palace, before it was towed off to oblivion. But sure, quick routes to pussy in Kiev are getting harder and harder to come by, so guys on short trips are going to have the deck stacked against them.

Personally I've had to change how I operate to some degree, because girls are more suspicious, more demanding and less likely to drop their drawers, but I still get the same results because:

1) I spend a good deal of time in bars and clubs (getting merry but not drunk), speaking a little Russian goes a long way. Sure the old regulars like Shooters aren't what they used to be, but Decadence is still a damn good place for hot young things. And with beer so damn cheap, why wouldn't you want to enjoy the nightlife.

2) I've grown a network of contacts. Either from Mamba or VK.com/ Facebook, these are my ways of meeting / vetting hot girls before I decide to waste my time and money on them. Mamba gets a bad rap, I'm still meeting 22/23 year olds who are up for fun, but earning their trust and confidence is not a quick process, and won't be to everyone's taste.

It's kinda funny, go to most of the boards on ISG (Dubai, Bangkok, Manila, London for sure) and there is a common theme of "things were better in the old days".