Kyiv

[Cosmox]

Hello,

I will visit Kiev next week. Some standards question. Please recommend.

- actual escort services / experience (specific girls?

- apartments to rent in central city where I can invite the girl.

- nice bars to make fun.

- Any other stupid / funny suggestions.

Thanks a lot!

[Volpone]

Well, the girl I talked to said she can easily get me an apartment (new) in Podol for 300 per month. You don't get those prices on Airbnb, if you're lucky you get a 15/20% off of their listings for long term stays. Unless you rent ugly apartments.

I agree with the taxis but you have to use Uklon or some other apps, otherwise you pay foreigner prices (IE scam prices).

Escorts in Kiev don't cost that low, unless you bang really ugly girls. Girls in Kiev aren't stupid. The really top girls (pro) in Kiev get a Ferrari / Porsche / Mercedes, expensive clothes and whatever else they want. They have a sponsor. They'll laugh at you if you give them 1000 grivnia. You can spot them driving around Kiev in Bentley, Range Rovers, Porsche ecc and if you take attention you'll see that often those kind of luxury cars are driven by females.

Then there are the escorts that go to expensive clubs. They ask from 100 to 500. They're pretty but a level below the ones I said above. If you haggle a little bit you can lower their prices but not too much.

Then all the rest but for 1000 grivnia you bang the leftovers of Kiev. You can bang those girls without paying.

Tuggar, in Kiev, you need experience or hard work.

I don't have escort anymore, I just use mamba. And my 1000 UAH girls are not ugly. They are not top notch chicks, but they look good to me and I enjoy their nice body and to talk with them. Most of them only speak Russian, so we spoke in Russian together.

Your girls were right about the price of 300 Euros for a NEW apartment in Podol, but that's the price for a 12 months lease. Nobody can get that price just for one month. I am in a new apartment now, far from the center and I pay 300 Euros for 20 days. So for the month would be around 400-450 Euros. Last year I paid with dobovo less than 400 Euros for an old soviet style apartment with dobovo. And a really nice one in Klovska near Boulevard Lesi, I paid 550 Euros for the month. I had luck with these 2 apartments. I just rent it at the right time. Now the nice one in Klovska at 550 Euros is around 800 Euros.

Taxi in the streets try to trick everyone not only foreigners. I experienced that with my Ukrainian girlfriend, but as she could speak the language perfectly, she was able to get the price down. However it didn't work every time. You will do better the next time, just have to learn it.

[KareteKid90]

How long are you going to be in Kiev?

Hey,

Please give me advice for where to stay in city center, prefer to stay in city center, of course it must be escort-friendly place.

Thanks.

[KareteKid90]

Hello,

Tell me somewhere in city center which is escort friendly? I prefer an apartment.

Thanks,

Kid

[Tuggar]

I paid for the taxi exactly like Ukrainians, I just call them and I got a sms with price. Escort, I used mamba, normal girls, I avoid the pros in Mamba that do everything with condoms and charge high price. I usually pay around 600-1250 UAH for one hour, it depends on the girl. And sometimes the hour is two and I still pay the same price. Furthermore we sometimes go having a lunch together, so we spend about 3-4 hours together.

I quite often have a business lunch and I give a tip of 5 UAH, like the Ukrainian do.

About apartment if you book on airbnb, an Ukrainian pay exactly the same price as you, because that's short term, for a few days, week or 1 month. If you take a lease for 6 months or 1 year, you can get the same price as Ukrainians, but you don't look on airbnb or dobovo for that kind of long term.

Well the students, they usually sleep in a dormitory or share a room with a friend. If they have more money, they might rent a bedroom for themselves or a small apartment with a 12 months lease. By the way I avoid Clubs, too pricy for nothing or nearly nothing. You are new here, that's normal. Next time you will make it better. No need for locals. With them you will be ripped off, giving them all the time tips...

Well, the girl I talked to said she can easily get me an apartment (new) in Podol for 300€ per month. You don't get those prices on Airbnb, if you're lucky you get a 15/20% off of their listings for long term stays. Unless you rent ugly apartments.

I agree with the taxis but you have to use Uklon or some other apps, otherwise you pay foreigner prices (IE scam prices).

Escorts in Kiev don't cost that low, unless you bang really ugly girls. Girls in Kiev aren't stupid. The really top girls (pro) in Kiev get a Ferrari / Porsche / Mercedes, expensive clothes and whatever else they want. They have a sponsor. They'll laugh at you if you give them 1000 grivnia. You can spot them driving around Kiev in Bentley, Range Rovers, Porsche ecc and if you take attention you'll see that often those kind of luxury cars are driven by females.

Then there are the escorts that go to expensive clubs. They ask from 100€ to 500€. They're pretty but a level below the ones I said above. If you haggle a little bit you can lower their prices but not too much.

Then all the rest but for 1000 grivnia you bang the leftovers of Kiev. You can bang those girls without paying.

[Volpone]

Well, 1000 for 26 nights in Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard is quite a lot for Ukraine's standard. I talked to lots of girls in Kiev and they said the average salary is around 250. 1000 is 4 months worth of salary. Quite a lot actually, these are foreigners prices you see on Airbnb and the like and I do believe I got scammed (and they agreed with me). One girl offered to find an apartment for me next time I'm in town and I'll let her do it.

Everybody should have a local person that arrange things for them otherwise we pay foreigners prices everywhere in Ukraine. Accommodation, taxi, clubs, escorts ecc.

Long term 500 per month is a monster price (scam price) for Kiev.

There are a lot of students in Kiev that come from neighboring cities to attend university and of course they can't pay 500 per month. This is the price students pay in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid ecc. Not Kiev.

All the prices listed on Airbnb, Booking, Dobovo ecc are scam. Have a local find an apartment for you and you'll laugh at those price.

And as for the rest, I agree that Kiev is not a third world country. Girls aren't stupid or different from every other girls. They either want a beautiful young guy or a rich guy.

In Kiev I see most hot girls paired with hot guys of the same age (you can spot them on every subway station, shopping center, main streets ecc). And sometimes (but less) you see some hot girls paired with a fat bald guy driving a very expensive car.

And despite the stereotypes there are lots of attractive guys (18-25) in Kiev, much more than in the rest of Ukraine.

I paid for the taxi exactly like Ukrainians, I just call them and I got a sms with price. Escort, I used mamba, normal girls, I avoid the pros in Mamba that do everything with condoms and charge high price. I usually pay around 600-1250 UAH for one hour, it depends on the girl. And sometimes the hour is two and I still pay the same price. Furthermore we sometimes go having a lunch together, so we spend about 3-4 hours together.

I quite often have a business lunch and I give a tip of 5 UAH, like the Ukrainian do.

About apartment if you book on airbnb, an Ukrainian pay exactly the same price as you, because that's short term, for a few days, week or 1 month. If you take a lease for 6 months or 1 year, you can get the same price as Ukrainians, but you don't look on airbnb or dobovo for that kind of long term.

Well the students, they usually sleep in a dormitory or share a room with a friend. If they have more money, they might rent a bedroom for themself or a small apartment with a 12 months lease. By the way I avoid Clubs, too pricy for nothing or nearly nothing. You are new here, that's normal. Next time you will make it better. No need for locals. With them you will be ripped off, giving them all the time tips.

[Jojosun]

80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.

80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.

Thanks for the info. Of course when I am in Bejing mainly short stays, I go for hot Chinese girls or I head to Maggies to nail a Mongolian girl and I did on few visits as Mongolian girls are such a rarity in the west and I like their build.

A Chinese pimp used to turn up with 3 or 4 hot girls to choose from, his car parked on a side street outside Novotel hotel, not much of a buzz as hunting in a club but of course its cheaper.

[Tuggar]

1000 euro for apartment in center 30 euro day is not a lot. Less you pay in Bangladesh probably. Rent long term you pay 500 euro.

Kiev is not third world especially Kiev.

In my opinion is you that cannot attract eye contact.

They want meet generous man. If you think they wait you cause you foreigner yes they not interested. They have plenty of hard young cock eager to fuck as you said. Go in Hydropark in Sunday. You will see every guy from 18 to 30 has 5% maximum of fat and testosterone to fill a swimming pool. If they want only hard bang why they will be interested in foreigner? Kiev game is obtain much with less money possible. Zero money means masturbation.

Well, 1000€ for 26 nights in Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard is quite a lot for Ukraine's standard. I talked to lots of girls in Kiev and they said the average salary is around 250€. 1000€ is 4 months worth of salary. Quite a lot actually, these are foreigners prices you see on Airbnb and the like and I do believe I got scammed (and they agreed with me). One girl offered to find an apartment for me next time I'm in town and I'll let her do it.

Everybody should have a local person that arrange things for them otherwise we pay foreigners prices everywhere in Ukraine. Accommodation, taxi, clubs, escorts ecc.

Long term 500€ per month is a monster price (scam price) for Kiev.

There are a lot of students in Kiev that come from neighboring cities to attend university and of course they can't pay 500€ per month. This is the price students pay in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid ecc. Not Kiev.

All the prices listed on Airbnb, Booking, Dobovo ecc are scam. Have a local find an apartment for you and you'll laugh at those price.

And as for the rest, I agree that Kiev is not a third world country. Girls aren't stupid or different from every other girls. They either want a beautiful young guy or a rich guy.

In Kiev I see most hot girls paired with hot guys of the same age (you can spot them on every subway station, shopping center, main streets ecc). And sometimes (but less) you see some hot girls paired with a fat bald guy driving a very expensive car.

And despite the stereotypes there are lots of attractive guys (18-25) in Kiev, much more than in the rest of Ukraine.

[Burn Notice]

I used to go to Maggie's Bar (aka, Mongolian Embassy as it was the base for Mongollian girls) during the times I was in Beijing but I never met Caucasian girls there. You mean its now been overtaken by UA girls?

80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.

[Sorbonne]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.

How long are you going to be in Kiev?

[Komnetkijken]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.

I'll be in Kyiv from Thursday until Saturday morning (have a flight at 6 h). NO interest in a great sex party but we could hunt together on Friday (daytime / early evening). PM me if you want.

[LuisVega11]

Hi,

I'm new on this site. I'm a 25 yo guy in Kiev right now. I'm alone here so if you want to meet for a beer or for a night out let me know!

I've arrived in Kiev a week ago and I'm impressed by the quality of women here. They are tall, thin, with model faces, toned legs and dressed sexy. Just go to Gulliver shopping center or to a random subway station and you'll see lots of hot girls. You'll be impressed trust me.

That being said, they don't look like they want to meet foreigners, especially the hottest ones unless you're willing to splash out some serious money.

Girls don't give lots of eye contact here in Kiev, I don't know why. Maybe they're shy, maybe I'm not attractive enough or maybe it's just the culture but I've found that during the day they tend to walk with their eyes looking straight ahead without looking at the men walking by, especially the hottest girls.

Ukrainian guys in Kiev aren't that bad. On average they aren't handsome but among the younger generation (18-25 yo) there are quite a lot of Ukrainian guys that look good and you'll see them paired up with the hottest chicks in Kiev..

1000 euro for apartment in center 30 euro day is not a lot. Less you pay in Bangladesh probably. Rent long term you pay 500 euro.

Kiev is not third world especially Kiev.

In my opinion is you that cannot attract eye contact.

They want meet generous man. If you think they wait you cause you foreigner yes they not interested. They have plenty of hard young cock eager to fuck as you said. Go in Hydropark in Sunday. You will see every guy from 18 to 30 has 5% maximum of fat and testosterone to fill a swimming pool. If they want only hard bang why they will be interested in foreigner? Kiev game is obtain much with less money possible. Zero money means masturbation.

[LuisVega11]

To Tuggar and Vegas Jeff:

You guys are thinking to much with your assumptions and judgements. I prefer my brainless approach. The girls only want my money. The girls know I only want their pussy.

Now just go make it happen.

I completely agree. It happens to me first weeks I arrive in Kiev. I will behave like in western country and so get nervous because all nonsense I experience in Kiev. Then after a bit I become behaving like them and am happy. These are the less cerebral person you will ever met. If they like you they will fuck you after 20 minutes in bar toilet. They are animal. With animal instinct. Try to make them think too much and you see their face change from happy to nervous. They don't like thinking at all. Most of them even at 30 act like child. Especially the more beautiful woman. They know most of them are object for sex pleasure of man. All they want is obtain the maximum.

Clearly there are also normal girl but again even normal in my opinion follow this path soon they discover it. They are all the same what is the difference is life experience, but DNA is the same for all girl.

[LuisVega11]

Kiev, Ukraine. A critical social study of the Culture.

If you guys want to skip this, the PFP Trip Report is further down below. Just scroll down to find the beginning. I figured I would post this first as it reads better than the other way around.

The Good in Kiev.

I found Kiev to be a clean city (for the most part) with little pollution. The systems are advanced with a good level of technology, goods, and services. The cost of food and lodging I found to be very inexpensive. For example, I could buy a small 6-sliced personal pizza for $2.50 USD and a large can of beer (4%-5% alcohol) for less $1 USD at Dominos Pizza. Incredible! No wonder there are so many Ukrainians shit-faced drunk late at night LOL.

I stayed in a nice hotel for $40/ night USD. They had an intelligent, English speaking staff and a 24 hour restaurant. The hotel included free WiFi, a complimentary computer area, concierge, taxis, etc. A great value for sure. BTW I stayed at the Hotel Rus and I would recommend this hotel.

The infrastructure of Kiev was impressive. There were large sections of the Kiev that were from the pre 20th century and well preserved with beauty and elegance.

The systems of transportation I found to be efficient and cheap. Going underground to cross many roads was interesting. There was a second city (existing underground) with a metro and shops in certain areas of Kiev...

Some good point but a lot of generalization.

- Zero team work? Look what they did in maiden. It was the results of super be teamwork.

- 40 years old ugly? Go to Gulliver and top notch arena and you see amazing 40 years old that look like 20 years in a beach in Miami. The problem most of 40 years old now are born in communist era. The new generation born after 1990 will be amazing till 50 probably due to the extensive care of body. I live in europe and while the 40 years old woman dress better and are more beautiful in face probably, body is no competition. I had a girlfriend of 34 years old with dress size that in western world only have girl.

- English is not known extensively but not so bad. And if they like you they will even chat with translator. Probably they didn't.

- in Ukraine and soviet world think less act more. Their world is completely different from you and me. You must accept all the controversy there are there. You won't change them. It's soviet union! Materialism is so strong now, woman are always considered sex object by men, they know both and so everything, especially for a foreigner, will be related to that. They want be happy you want pussy. Simply. The game is obtain the maximum with less effort.

- you overpay everything because you didn't study a lot. Taxi are expensive in the street, but expensive to where? 200 gryvna all in all are 8 euro. And for 89 euro where you go in your us city? Use uklon and be happier. Even prostitute you paid a lot especially for service.

In my opinion Kiev is not for you.

[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Burn Notice;1917735]I am more a contributor on the China forum. I'm based in Beijing.

I just drop by to let you know folks that we got some amazing, I should say stunning Ukrainian girls that arrived at Chocolates and Maggie's bar in Beijing last month.

They all live beside the LG Tower not far from Silk Market. During the day many of them are at the Starbucks in the area.

I picked up one girl very hot by all standard, blond blue eyes, fake boobs nice tan. She is from Kiev and she was telling me that her family and friends don't know she is a WG in Beijing.

,they think she got a marketing job and a rich boyfriend. She explained to me that she never work as a WG in Ukraine, she is too proud for that. Her friends told me the same story.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Maggie's Bar (aka, Mongolian Embassy as it was the base for Mongollian girls) during the times I was in Beijing but I never met Caucasian girls there. You mean its now been overtaken by UA girls?

I also met few Russian girls who used to work in Beijing when they were on short holidays to catch some sun during the Winter in Sanya Bay and they told me it was also like a working holiday for them to escape the winter in Beijing.

There are also quite few UA Girls now working in Tokyo's hostess bars in The Roppongi district, also Russian girls not the hard hoes type and they all speak English. .