Bangkok Reports

[BionicMan]

Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.

Good advice to carry photocopies only.

When I say carry all in the pocket, I referred to MP visits where there is no locker.

The "all" means "what you carry daily", I. E. The minimum basic.

Keeping in the pocket means not forgetting it somewhere.

Just as much do in my hotel room even if alone. All grouped together.

Of course passport and most of valuables stay in the staff till when needed.

I have a light coloured bag to keep stuff in the safe, to avoid something stays behind.

Always have phone, iPad, passport covers or folders of a bright colour, I. E. Not black: more visible on a hotel room desk of shelf.

Leave them in a clear area, will be more visible to your eyes when leaving the room.

I wear a Rolex and never had an issue. They might think it is fake, LOL.

I leave it in the safe only in some places or if I plan to go to unknown environments.

Not a big target as cash or iPhone, LOL.

Also a passport is not a target, but can be list, of course.

[Syzygies]

You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.

Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.

No I am not young and handsome. Yet can find young girls really into it, certainly not all of them. Thai girls are a bit different to Western girls. They like nice men more than young arrogant men. Young and handsome would be just a bonus for them. Some young and beautiful girls that work part time, tell me they actually like sex a lot. The advantage of bar girls is that they are not getting far too many fucks per day. This can also be an advantage of very plain girls. They may not be getting too many fucks as well.

My freelancer repeated 4 times in total, was originally met on the street. Not stunning for looks but acceptable to me. She got 3 pops last session (in DATY, cowgirl and prone). She had been up country and no sex for at least 2 weeks. She was actually quite horny. She said this was the most pops she ever got single occasion as a street free lancer. Get the girl in the right mood and the right occasion, can be a cracker. I prefer to avoid girls taking 6 to 10 fucks per day, and just going through the motions. Stunning girls do not need to take so many fucks per day to make money too.

Ever since I first tried a Thai girl, maybe 30 years ago, I have always found Thai hookers were much more into it than western hookers of my home country, and particularly the Thai part time hookers. My early Thermae experiences were really great. It's a pity that Thermae is now dominated by presumably full time hookers, often looking for a quickie rather than all night.

Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys. One such Thai girl told me she started with western guys at the age of 16 and has not had Thai man ever in her life, nor been interested in one. A very exceptional case, no doubt. Other Thai girls got sick of very unreliable Thai men who make a baby and then just disappear. It is claimed that foreign men have a greater sense of responsibility, to look after their women and children.

[Syzygies]

I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.

Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.

I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.

No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.

Don't carry more than what is needed.

Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.

Good advice to carry photocopies only.

[BionicMan]

Hi all,

If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?

Thanks,

Geano.

I just carry a coloured photocopy of it in my wallet.

Sometime I do take a picture with my phone of the visa stamp page.

I have also a set of pictures of all my ID's in my phone, incl driving licence.

No lockers in MP. Lucky if they have a hanger. Just keep all un the pocket and go to known places.

Don't carry more than what is needed.

[LA Guy 5]

See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.

Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.

As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.

Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

[Arn Poddict]

I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.

I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.

I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.

You want best looking bar girls who will have fun with you and fuck you as you were their boyfriend. Good luck. Hopefully you are young and handsome, it helps.

Most of the best looking bar girls I take to my hotel room in Thailand don't really enjoy themselves. For them it is just a business transaction. I don't mind, I pay these hookers to fuck them and to play with their bodies, not to have fun with me.

[EihTooms]

I always thought GFE means that the girl performed in a way equal to or better than what has been experienced from a real GF or from a Gik. Hopefully girlfriends are doing sex in an enthusiastic way and trying to enjoy themselves rather than just going through the motions, because the guy wants a fuck. Enthusiastic DFK is basically assumed, but is not enough alone to imply GFE.

I don't like to get into negotiations with girls and make sure they agree to services, A, B, & C, since this is detracting from the GFE. Others will negotiate and agree to all the things to happen. Then it feels like merely a set of procedures. They don't care so much about GFE, because it is not real for them. They expect the girl won't really enjoy everything, merely perform her duty.

I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.

So simply the GFE should be as close as possible to what you expect from a real GF or better. Some girlfriends are not that expert at certain things or don't like certain things, so if the GFE girl gives more, or is more enthusiastic, no problem. I never had a girlfriend that wanted anal, but if a GFE P4 P girl suggests it, no problem.

I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.

In a bar, yes the music does not have to be the best (but it helps), the drinks service only has to be just tolerable, the atmosphere does not have to be best, but above all they have to have girls that attract me (not many needed), and bar has to be tolerable in terms of level of hassles created by the staff.

So last time BFed at Billboard, as example, watched girls on the rotating stage, selected a girl with pretty face and apparently good figure in Coyote type outfit to come over for a drink or two. She acted very lovey dovey with me pretty quickly, so very GFE even before we got to the bedroom. A few kisses got stolen in the bar. Followed by GFE on the bed. Did not even negotiate a price. Everything went right. Was repeated at a later date. She was probably looking for a Farang boyfriend. I think she may no longer be available. Dropped on my LINE contacts recently. May have hooked a boyfriend (or two) to support her already. LOL (not me). The bar work may have been only temporary for her.

I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar " institutionalizing" GFE. Seems to me it is a lot more about firstly chemistry between girl and customer, and her attitude and purpose. She may be trying hard to hook regular customers that will bring a steady money supply. I don't see how a bar can turn every girl into a GFE provider for all customers. Maybe I have misunderstood you.

Just like Smoothy reports very few less than GFE performances from Tilac, I had very few less than GFE sessions from Suzie Wong, but no stunners in there. I think I may have had 3 girls from Tilac ever and two out of 3 were good (and GFE), one already known to me (previously in Baccara). I believe the third wasn't much good but it is many years ago. Yet I might attend other bars, simply because I am looking for prettier girls, and willing to take the risk of choosing the wrong girls sometimes. Yes I understand others will put guaranteed service levels, or guaranteed GFE ahead of having a really pretty face. I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.

See, I would consider what both you and Smoothy describe as GFE to you falls into the category of "demeanor" that appeals to you and therefore not really different from the "she was nice to me during the P4 P session" concept that I mentioned earlier. It is so subjective as to have virtually no meaning at all when it comes to the next punter looking for a tangible result in a P4 P session. A girl you'd want to take on vacation with you? The three of us might agree that a chatty, sociable lady with a great sense of humor fits the bill while the next guy would like nothing better than his "girlfriend" just STFU so he can hear the waves lapping on the shore. Act like she is genuinely into having sex with me? Good lord, imo that is about as basic a starting point for a P4 P girl earning her money as to be a total deal killer without it. Hardly worthy of touting a girl who at least tries that hard as offering something "extra" as in GFE. Moreover, since I cannot possibly know how shitty the past "girlfriends" of another punter treated him throughout his life, for him to now tell me a particular P4 P girl treated him like a million bucks and delivered wonderful GFE might only mean she didn't bark at him to stop slouching the moment he walked into the hotel room with her.

Asian Rain in his previous post is onto what I am talking about as the classically accepted notion of what those three letters, "GFE", used to mean in the P4 P world in terms of a tangible feature and result offered by a P4 P girl as objective and specific as if a girl said she would give you a BBBJ+CIM or A-Level service. Thankfully, we as punters have not over the years reduced and diluted the meaning of "BBBJ+CIM" to now allow that it could possibly mean a girl sits on the corner of the bed pointing to her mouth while the punter wanks himself off sitting on the opposite corner of the bed, but does so with a big, friendly smile on her face. No, we have stuck to our guns on what the term "BBBJ+CIM" means and what the result of it ought to be before we lay out the baht for it. But not so with "GFE". That now means virtually anything any punter wants it to mean.

As far as my alluding to some bars in Bangkok seeming to me to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for customers to get what GFE more classically meant in the past, I am talking about my fairly recent observation and experience with regard to go-go bars where there are "Special" girls on offer for a moderately higher barfine rate, not exactly Coyotes for whom the barfine rate is exorbitantly higher like the 3,000 baht barfine rate at Cowboy 2 on Soi Cowboy and therefore those Coyotes either never or almost never get barfined out by a customer (as intended by the bar that does not want them to go missing for so much as 2 hours from their decorative and Lady Drink hustling duties at their bar), but the places where the barfine for certain girls is, say, 1,000 baht or 1,500 baht vs 700 baht for the non "Special" girls working there. It seems to me of late that either by insinuation from management to the girls or simply a tacit understanding among the girls who want to remain on that "Special" girl list or who are simply motivated by a sense of competition to bag as many customers and especially repeat customers as possible, the set up, the "institution" is such that those girls are noticeably more inclined to say yes to providing that kind of GFE or whatever "special" service beyond the standard accepted one these days. That they will do so as though they genuinely want to have sex with me or at least as pleasantly as the kind of lady I wouldn't mind having spend a weekend with me on vacation would, in my humble opinion, be a rock bottom basic "given" in the transaction without which I probably wouldn't even bother.

Now, I don't mean to say ALL of those kind of "Special" girls will agree in the bar negotiation to providing whatever special service constitutes a GFE to every punter (btw, in these cases I believe that detail needs to be negotiated and agreed to by the girl in the bar beforehand. Not with a smile and a nod. Not even with an "ok" from the girl. Thai girls often are not committed to the idea that the word "ok" is the same as saying "yes" to something. A firm and unambiguous "yes" is the word we need to hear. Nothing else means "yes" to many Thai girls). Not at all. But it has been my impression of late that where the bar and the girl expects you to pay a reasonably higher barfine to the bar in order to take her out (1,000 or 1,500 vs the usual 700 baht), it is not UNexpected by her that you would naturally be inclined to ask for a higher level of service in exchange for it, more than the usual or standard service shall we say. She might still say no. I don't mean she will definitely say yes or that the bar is pressuring her to say yes or anything of the kind. But she at least will hear without recoiling in fake horror that your willingness to pay an 800 baht surcharge for her time and services ought naturally to be balanced by her willingness to deliver more for it. It isn't in writing. It doesn't appear on a menu. It won't be spelled out by a mamasan and there are no Coyotes standing outside the bar holding a sign telling customers that is the deal with the "Special" girls in this or that bar. But it is somewhat institutionalized by the understanding among most concerned that they are asking customers to pay that 800 baht surcharge over the usual barfine rate for certain ladies to deliver something tangibly and objectively more and not just for exhibiting a more pleasant demeanor while delivering the usual, standard level of service.

[Geano]

Hi all,

If traveling to Thailand and doing some mongering do you carry you passport at all times? Or locking in hotel safe?, and if visiting a massage place or soapy do the have lockers for your clothing and stuff?

Thanks,

Geano.

[Pony Boy]

Hi folks,

Just a quick update (or a question).

Is it now a standard or I was just super lucky that the girls in soapy or oil massage places provide second release without asking for extra money? I've been in Bangkok for the past a few days, I've visited 3 soapy venues and 1 massage parlor, all the girls asked me if I want a second shot without me even asking for it (one even asked a third time)! I have to admit that I'm a fast shooter (that also means that I am definitely not on the side which making the girls super satisfied), when I finish, there is usually plenty of time left (if consider 1.5 hour as standard). Even though, during my several visits to Bangkok in the past a few years, I only experienced once that the girl gave me second try, which is under the situation that the previous girl refused to serve me and the manager tried to calm me down and sent me "the best service" girl.

I can only imagine that if it is not the standard, it is probably because recently the number of customers has been declined significantly. Two girls out of the four told me that I was her first customer today, but I visited them at 9 pm and 11 pm! (And believe me or not, they are not bad looking at all.).

No matter what, it is a good news for all of us!! Please tell me if you have any information or updates.

And Merry Christmas!

[Asian Rain]

I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar "institutionalizing" GFE.

If you read reports, you don't have to be a super sleuth to deduce exactly what EihTooms means by "GFE". Enjoy Bangkok, AsianRain.

[Syzygies]

But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.

If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.

I always thought GFE means that the girl performed in a way equal to or better than what has been experienced from a real GF or from a Gik. Hopefully girlfriends are doing sex in an enthusiastic way and trying to enjoy themselves rather than just going through the motions, because the guy wants a fuck. Enthusiastic DFK is basically assumed, but is not enough alone to imply GFE.

I don't like to get into negotiations with girls and make sure they agree to services, A, B, & C, since this is detracting from the GFE. Others will negotiate and agree to all the things to happen. Then it feels like merely a set of procedures. They don't care so much about GFE, because it is not real for them. They expect the girl won't really enjoy everything, merely perform her duty.

I am looking for a girl to have fun, enjoy herself as far as possible, but also to desire to get me off as well, I. E. Mutually good sex. The fact she gets paid does not matter to me. That is her fringe benefit that opens the door to a very hot young woman not normally available to me. If the girl is not into having a good time or seems bored by it all, I will detect that, and be unlikely to take her again.

So simply the GFE should be as close as possible to what you expect from a real GF or better. Some girlfriends are not that expert at certain things or don't like certain things, so if the GFE girl gives more, or is more enthusiastic, no problem. I never had a girlfriend that wanted anal, but if a GFE P4 P girl suggests it, no problem.

I expect to get good looks, and GFE as well. I am not totally happy with just one or the other. All the average looking girls in the bar are unlikely to attract me, even if fab GFE is expected.

In a bar, yes the music does not have to be the best (but it helps), the drinks service only has to be just tolerable, the atmosphere does not have to be best, but above all they have to have girls that attract me (not many needed), and bar has to be tolerable in terms of level of hassles created by the staff.

So last time BFed at Billboard, as example, watched girls on the rotating stage, selected a girl with pretty face and apparently good figure in Coyote type outfit to come over for a drink or two. She acted very lovey dovey with me pretty quickly, so very GFE even before we got to the bedroom. A few kisses got stolen in the bar. Followed by GFE on the bed. Did not even negotiate a price. Everything went right. Was repeated at a later date. She was probably looking for a Farang boyfriend. I think she may no longer be available. Dropped on my LINE contacts recently. May have hooked a boyfriend (or two) to support her already. LOL (not me). The bar work may have been only temporary for her.

I don't really understand what you are getting at about the bar " institutionalizing" GFE. Seems to me it is a lot more about firstly chemistry between girl and customer, and her attitude and purpose. She may be trying hard to hook regular customers that will bring a steady money supply. I don't see how a bar can turn every girl into a GFE provider for all customers. Maybe I have misunderstood you.

Just like Smoothy reports very few less than GFE performances from Tilac, I had very few less than GFE sessions from Suzie Wong, but no stunners in there. I think I may have had 3 girls from Tilac ever and two out of 3 were good (and GFE), one already known to me (previously in Baccara). I believe the third wasn't much good but it is many years ago. Yet I might attend other bars, simply because I am looking for prettier girls, and willing to take the risk of choosing the wrong girls sometimes. Yes I understand others will put guaranteed service levels, or guaranteed GFE ahead of having a really pretty face. I am greedy. I want the pretty good looks (at least really cute) and the GFE. Young and good body is not enough for me.

[Xfreak0000]

Any mongers who are also familiar with the German P4P venues here in Bangkok?

I want to know whether there are any thing resembles the FKK clubs, Sauna clubs, Pauschalclubs, Partytreffs in Bangkok.

All I know at present are some Gogo Bars and Massage parlors, which do not resemble the German clubs at all.

There used to be a gentlemen club called the Den, but is closed permanently now.

As a frequent monger to both Germany and Thailand, I find that I prefer the P4P venues in Germany.

I don't know what the difference between FKK and massage parlor in BKK.

[EihTooms]

My definition of GFE is exactly what GFE stands for. Girl Friend Experience. It's when it comes off feeling as if the girl is not a P4 P working girl, but an actual girlfriend who gives somewhat of a shit about enjoying spending time with me rather than just money. These type of girls are normally ones who I don't just shag for one night, but I will hang out with for days. These type of girls, I will bring to Phuket or even somewhere like Bali with me on occasion. I'm not saying all girls at Tilac are GFE because they absolutely are not. But I have had more luck finding GFE there than at any other Soi Cowboy bar over the years. Having lived in Southeast Asia for the last 20 years, I can say it was much easier to find GFE when I was younger and better looking than now, but it still happens occasionally.

Ok. Thanks, Smoothy.

[Smoothy]

That is why I asked Smoothy if he could and would elaborate on the "GFE" he is talking about in relation to the girls at Tilac. Don't know if he is interested in doing so though. "GFE" is one of those abbreviated concepts that used to mean something very important and quite specific to punters all around the world. But not anymore. Now it could and usually does mean something as subjective and, frankly, meaningless, as "she was nice to me while providing the P4 P service. " When someone says they got a BBBJ+CIM, A+ service, DFK, a HJ, rimming, a COB, etc. , I know exactly what those mean regardless how many punters report on them because those abbreviated concepts still have a specific meaning. But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.

If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.

My definition of GFE is exactly what GFE stands for. Girl Friend Experience. It's when it comes off feeling as if the girl is not a P4 P working girl, but an actual girlfriend who gives somewhat of a shit about enjoying spending time with me rather than just money. These type of girls are normally ones who I don't just shag for one night, but I will hang out with for days. These type of girls, I will bring to Phuket or even somewhere like Bali with me on occasion. I'm not saying all girls at Tilac are GFE because they absolutely are not. But I have had more luck finding GFE there than at any other Soi Cowboy bar over the years. Having lived in Southeast Asia for the last 20 years, I can say it was much easier to find GFE when I was younger and better looking than now, but it still happens occasionally.

[EihTooms]

I have been to Tilac several times. BFed a girl only once (in memory over last 2 or 3 years) who was quite good on the bed (no complaints), but maybe not as pretty as I would like. Very tall. Mostly struggled to find any girl that could hook me. Just this bar line up is not quite my personal taste and girls a bit over dressed for me. Will go back once in a while in case place changes some how. I was just a bit bored being used to nudie bars. However any bar can be boring, and most are. So I am agreeing with John Traveller and ET on this one. Just lacking pretty girls, or any girl that managed to attract a park from me.

That is why I asked Smoothy if he could and would elaborate on the "GFE" he is talking about in relation to the girls at Tilac. Don't know if he is interested in doing so though. "GFE" is one of those abbreviated concepts that used to mean something very important and quite specific to punters all around the world. But not anymore. Now it could and usually does mean something as subjective and, frankly, meaningless, as "she was nice to me while providing the P4 P service. " When someone says they got a BBBJ+CIM, A+ service, DFK, a HJ, rimming, a COB, etc. , I know exactly what those mean regardless how many punters report on them because those abbreviated concepts still have a specific meaning. But I have no idea what "GFE" means these days except that it almost certainly means a dozen different things to a dozen different punters.

If Tilac or any other bar has somewhat institutionalized a means to get what "GFE" more classically meant to punters all around the world for decades before we became so hand-wringing worried about saying the actual words, as I believe some bars in Bangkok are trying to do right now, then IMO that trumps a whole bunch of other issues that might not spark my interest in going to that bar like whether most of the girls are lacking in go-go girl 8. 5+ rated looks, that it has a boring atmosphere, or inept drink service. LOL. I can overlook those problems in Tilac or anywhere else IF that is the kind of GFE Smoothy is talking about.