Bangkok Reports

[Arn Poddict]

Thai girls are far more likely to take a foreign boyfriend of significantly higher age, compared to age gaps western girls accept. Some girls really say they prefer older guys. One such Thai girl told me she started with western guys at the age of 16 and has not had Thai man ever in her life, nor been interested in one. A very exceptional case, no doubt. Other Thai girls got sick of very unreliable Thai men who make a baby and then just disappear. It is claimed that foreign men have a greater sense of responsibility, to look after their women and children.

This is good news for all of us western guys who plan to retire in Thailand at the age of 60+. I hope the culture will be the same in the future as well. Thus I will be able to pay and play with hot young agogo bar hookers even when I have turned into an old snake head.

[BionicMan]

Sorry, not in the US, to my knowledge. Then again, I have been only mongering for close to 20 years, and I have been in many parts of the world. GFE reads as Girl Friend Experience, no BBFS is implied there.

My definition of GFE, to put it short, is when the girl has a nice attitude, doesn't engage in pure mechanical actions, does good and "convinced" DFK, is open to foreplay, doesn't jump out of the bed to get dressed when the deed is over, flirts, doesn't count the minutes.

How the deed is carried, BB etc is another story.

Do not forget another expression, PSE, forged, most likley, as a totally different bed action than with your GF, talking in a generic way, of course, by stereotypes.

[BionicMan]

It is not at all clear what worries you or what is your point, re the photocopy.

He is afraid that the photocopy isn't sufficient.

He might be right, with LE in any country of the world, one cannot be sure and common sense doesn't always prevail.

A document is a document still subject to scrutineràwhy, a photocopy is worth nothing, to be honest.

Nevertheless I prefer to engage in such a matter.

It all depends also in the circumstances the ID check is being carried out.

[Lefeu]

...GFE as a euphemism for BBFS in most P4 P mongering destinations around the world...

Sorry, not in the US, to my knowledge. Then again, I have been only mongering for close to 20 years, and I have been in many parts of the world. GFE reads as Girl Friend Experience, no BBFS is implied there.

[Syzygies]

I'm always worried that if there is a raid or police control, photocopy might be a problem. In the meanwhile, I hate to carry my passport around.

It is not at all clear what worries you or what is your point, re the photocopy.

[Jandeargh]

I'm always worried that if there is a raid or police control, photocopy might be a problem. In the meanwhile, I hate to carry my passport around.

Having had a bag stolen before, I can say you definitely do not want to have your passport with you. It is too valuable. Leave it somewhere safe. Also to carry only what you really need to carry with you. Imagine if you happened to somehow lose your wallet or similar.

Good advice to carry photocopies only.

[Paolo99]

Hi folks,

Just a quick update (or a question).

Is it now a standard or I was just super lucky that the girls in soapy or oil massage places provide second release without asking for extra money? I've been in Bangkok for the past a few days, I've visited 3 soapy venues and 1 massage parlor, all the girls asked me if I want a second shot without me even asking for it (one even asked a third time)! I have to admit that I'm a fast shooter (that also means that I am definitely not on the side which making the girls super satisfied), when I finish, there is usually plenty of time left (if consider 1.5 hour as standard). Even though, during my several visits to Bangkok in the past a few years, I only experienced once that the girl gave me second try, which is under the situation that the previous girl refused to serve me and the manager tried to calm me down and sent me "the best service" girl.

I can only imagine that if it is not the standard, it is probably because recently the number of customers has been declined significantly. Two girls out of the four told me that I was her first customer today, but I visited them at 9 pm and 11 pm! (And believe me or not, they are not bad looking at all.).

No matter what, it is a good news for all of us!! Please tell me if you have any information or updates.

And Merry Christmas!

I would rather say that you were just more lucky than your previous visits. I also am a fast shooter in the beginning of my trips in Thailand and most of the time, the girls are not that much willing to do it a second time. However some girls are OK for a second shot. It's been many years that I've been traveling in Thailand and I did not see any significant change about that. That's the reason why I avoid the 1 shot only places and prefer going in places where the management does not apply strict rules or where it is common to have 2 shots during the session. We tend to believe that all the MPs are sex factories when in fact they are not. It happened a few times that I went to see a girl in an MP around 5 pm (with a line up of 4 or 5 girls) and she told me that it was very quiet, and that there were only 2 customers that entered the shop before me.

[EihTooms]

That's what it classically meant? I must have missed that definition in all my years in Asia. I always thought GFE meant they acted like a girlfriend. To describe a girl who does BBFS, I simply say BBFS or raw. I'm not sure why you would want to cloud the issue by trying to mask it by lumping it into the GFE category. There are plenty of hard core mercenary hookers who allow BBFS but aren't GFE in any way. Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience?

I would call what you described as GFE as "she was nice to me during the P4 P session," or that "her demeanor appealed to me. " Not that there is no value in that. Of course, there is.

GFE as a euphemism for BBFS in most P4 P mongering destinations around the world in the past still has a residual effect even on places where the proprietors do not mean BBFS today at all, due to the stigma surrounding BBFS since at least the early 1990's, but are likely HOPING their customers might draw that conclusion and patronize their establishment anyway. For example, on some Escort Agency websites, when you see GFE touted as just another feature offered in the check box list for what a particular escort offers right next to where it says BBBJ, CIM, COB, DFK, and so on (or not), do you think the girl is only pitching the idea that she will be nice to you and act like she genuinely wants to have sex with you? Maybe. But imo that's a pretty sad commentary on what her agency thought they were getting in business to provide in the first place. What could a girl possibly mean when she or the venue doesn't include GFE as one of the special features she is up for if it is only meant that she will be nice to you? That she will treat you like an asshole? LOL. Possibly.

No, I think the item GFE is simply included among the possible options today because what GFE classically meant was considered a viable option in the past and they are hoping there is a residual payoff for them to tout it being offered in their establishment today whether it really is officially offered or not. Today, likely not. Not officially, that is.

And to answer your question, "Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience", have to say it would never occur to me to go to a P4P venue, hire a girl for or expect to get from a P4P girl the kind of personal feelings, love and intimacy an actual girlfriend provides. Honestly, it would be demeaning to both of us in mind and spirit to do so.

I certainly would expect her to be nice to me or project a pleasant demeanor along the way. Not because there was a box checked next to where it says GFE, but because that is just the way any service provider is expected to behave unless they are bad at their job. But if an actual girlfriend of mine thought or insisted that our sexual experiences together ought to include me wearing a condom for just about anything, she would be replaced by another girlfriend about as fast as you can say, "next". That doesn't mean I don't love her anymore, will ever forget the good times or won't wish things had worked out better between us. But, seriously, she could not be my girlfriend for sexual intimacy or likely for anything more than the annual Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday wishes.

[EihTooms]

I even liked some of your previous comments about having the test result certificates/prints, which also could be useful even in event of a condom accident.

I would be fully in favor of venues offering BBFS as just another item on their menu (in places where items like BBBJ, BBBJ+CIM, A-Level, DFK, etc. also appear on a menu) for the same kind of additional surcharge some venues charge for A-Level, but only IF the customer can also produce a current, within a couple of months, clean blood check document for HIV / STDs along with a matching copy of his passport photo page to match the name on the document. The birth control issue was always taken care of by the girls in the pre HIV hysteria age anyway and is easier for them to utilize more effective methods of birth control now, so proving a customer had gotten a vasectomy and could not impregnate the girl would not be a factor. And, of course, the girl would have to be agreeable to it for the specific customer regardless what a menu says.

I see far more upside for venues and girls offering such an option under those circumstances than downside. For one, it would encourage more BBFS fans to go get themselves tested so they and their partners will know if they are at high risk to each other or near zero risk. And any time you get touchy subjects out there in the open and out of the shadows, the better for everyone.

[Smoothy]

what it classically meant (BBFS).

That's what it classically meant? I must have missed that definition in all my years in Asia. I always thought GFE meant they acted like a girlfriend. To describe a girl who does BBFS, I simply say BBFS or raw. I'm not sure why you would want to cloud the issue by trying to mask it by lumping it into the GFE category. There are plenty of hard core mercenary hookers who allow BBFS but aren't GFE in any way. Since you use GFE to describe BBFS, how do you describe an actual girl friend experience?

[Syzygies]

LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Viotaling Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.

I am sorry. I like fairly straight forward talk that is understandable. Those who lecture on safe sex are clearly outside the rules, if in the wrong thread.

It is not illegal to mention BBFS sex if that is the intended meaning, however advisable to not taunt the safe sex preachers too much, by overdoing it or by being too smart ass about it (not implying anything about yourself here). So gloating is not a good idea, though not always easy to know what will rile the religious preachers.

I even liked some of your previous comments about having the test result certificates/prints, which also could be useful even in event of a condom accident.

I did not get the hint about BBFS, if there was one. Not that intuitive, myself. If you had mentioned it more directly, would not have upset me at all. I am not a safe sex preacher, and I recognise the rules do not permit it. I only dislike it when it becomes a battle in the wrong thread. I think every guy can make his own decision what things are too risky for him, or put the debates in the Safe Sex thread. For many it is a boring topic, done to death so many times.

I definitely think a CBJ would detract significantly from a GFE (LOL). I can't recall my last CBJ in Thailand. Too long ago, but may have been when the girl had a gum injury or just returned from dentist. If necessary, I promise not to CIM, and girls generally trust me.

[EihTooms]

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.

LOL. Well, if we're no longer worried about coming right out and posting about no condom vaginal intercourse (BBFS) here for fear of rooting out the Safe Sex, This is the Wrong Forum, We're All Going To Die, You're Boring Me, Why Did You Taunt The Safe Sex Scolds?, Violating Board Rules and Guidelines crowd in posts where that subject is broached, I can certainly be a lot more direct and less vague about it next time.

But I had no idea what Smoothy meant by GFE either since it could well mean anything today and no longer means what it classically meant (BBFS). That is why I asked if he could elaborate on what he meant. As I mentioned in that long reply, based on what I have observed and experienced of late with regard to some bars "somewhat institutionalizing" a means to achieve the BBFS kind of GFE with certain girls, I believe he COULD have meant Tilac Bar is on that program. In which case, I would be quite a bit more interested in re-visiting Tilac Bar and giving it another chance. That is why I asked what he meant by GFE.

As an interesting aside, the reasonably higher 1,500 baht barfine vs the regular 700 baht issue at some bars I mentioned in my longer reply might very well also apply during holiday periods where they jack up the barfine rate to that amount. I stopped into Mandarin go-go bar (middle level) this Christmas Eve and after the first sip of her Lady Drink a cute, fit, young girl who probably was ordinarily a regular 700 baht barfine girl when it isn't a holiday said the barfine tonight is 1,500 baht instead of 700 because of Christmas. So I hit her with the question about what I would expect to happen if I paid 1,500 baht just to barfine her, including BBFS/no condom vaginal intercourse, and have never had that question answered in the affirmative so fast! "YES!" As I was trying to say previously, I believe many of these girls appreciate and understand there ought to be a good reason a customer pays 800 baht more just to the bar in order to take them out and are up for discussing the reasons early and often. True, there is no way for me to know if that is the way she would have replied even when the barfine hadn't been jacked up for the holiday, but just passing along that little tidbit anyway.

[EihTooms]

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

Um. That's not really the only thing that post was about. Much of it was in response to Syzy's wondering what I meant about some bars seeming to "somewhat institutionalize" a means for the customer to get whatever he might consider a more tangible and objective version of the more classically defined GFE.

[Smoothy]

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE.

Of course not. It's all about attitude. It has nothing to do with BBFS.

[Syzygies]

Well, that is certainly a long and roundabout way of saying you consider GFE = BBFS.

I am sure Smoothy did not seek to imply he got BBFS with all Tilac girls, when he said GFE. I probably failed to grasp what ET may have been hinting at. I did struggle to understand ET's post, being rather indirect vague stuff.