Santo Domingo

[Prtyr2]

Ok Mr. Prtyr2,

Executive summary of the conversation for those that have not been following closely:

Someone asked about prices of apartments in Santo Domingo. Knowledge posted incorrect information. I posted information that corrected him. Knowledge complained about the language in my post but did not challenge my factual information. You jumped in the side of Knowledge calling me out for my language and supporting the incorrect information Knowledge originally posted. And therefore you were wrong also. Now like a hockey player that's been checked hard into the boards you are seeing stars and want to change the subject. Fine with me!

You easily confuse opinion with fact. On average SDQ este is more noisy than Piantini, yes or no? Not talking about your legendary needle in haystack building.

Nobody gives acrap if you curse. Read your post. You sound like a typical newbie that gets all full of himself so he can belittle those with less knowledge or experience. You said only "uninformed" don't know that este is separate municipality. You wrote how anyone that doesn't currently live here as you do can not comment on real estate. I do, so I did. Name the neighborhoods you have lived in. Or is it only that one?

You now say there is no middle class? Huh? I know people that pay 3,000 pesos rent. I know others that pay 500 bucks, I know some that pay 3,000 USD per month. From my balcony I can see a torre that the penthouse rents for $7,000 per month. I pay no where near that. So enlighten us. Is $1,100 perl month poor? Is that rich? Your 500 per month place is for the "rich"?

I know couples where both work, two college professors living in LOS prides are not rich. They are also not in Simon Bolivar. They have nice cars and a nice place but no BMWs and beach homes in Juan dolio. Ask them if they are rich. They will say "middle class". I am sure they will be stunned to know that a gringo newbie has declared there is no middle class and that anyone that disagrees is wrong.

I lived in gazcue for years and never saw snobs with nose in the air as you describe. One of my fave areas of the capital. Only reason I moved was apts are on small side and it is more noisy than where I live now.

As far as sharing. I don't really monger, though I do like to head out for a few beers now and then and check here once in a while to see if there is any new info. Rarely. If I see a thread where I can add more than GBP and calle Pasteur I will. If I see people that can't find club MC, Galleros, Shylo etc, I will help if I happen to stop by. If one day someone asks about "piano bars" I know a couple that may be new to them and one that even Dominican taxi drives have no idea about. Years ago I posted a map of the gazcue area when there were more than 10 MPs within walking distance and none were clearly marked. I still get PMs from members telling me how much my info helped when they first came down.

Also, if you think I don't know how to spell Piantini you are being silly. I explained it was spell check but you continue to bring it up. You seem to have a complex where you need to be right. You have the right to your opinion, but not your own facts. Calling other opinions wrong is just plain silly.

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[SubCmdr]

Ok Mr. Prtyr2,

Executive summary of the conversation for those that have not been following closely:

Someone asked about prices of apartments in Santo Domingo. Knowledge posted incorrect information. I posted information that corrected him. Knowledge complained about the language in my post but did not challenge my factual information. You jumped in the side of Knowledge calling me out for my language and supporting the incorrect information Knowledge originally posted. And therefore you were wrong also. Now like a hockey player that's been checked hard into the boards you are seeing stars and want to change the subject. Fine with me!

Response to your latest post:

It's impossible for you to say why I was posting when you have failed to read or understand what I posted. At no point did I say my OPINION had more weight than anyone else's. You are attributing the tone of Mr. Knowledge's post to mine. Another incorrect assertion. My post was a response to the inaccurate post that indicated that you could only rent an apartment for amount of money the was quoted in the original post if you were Santo Domingo Este. In addition, he stated the accommodations of the apartment received would be inferior and implied (no he did not explicitly say) the renter would be living next to colmados and having to put up with loud music. I suggest you read Mr. Knowledge's post again.

Now Mr. Knowledge has bowed out of the conversation like a gentleman because he couldn't just say "My Bad" (Slang from the United States). But you jumped in trying to save Mr. Knowledge's ass by saying "Unless you are in painting (your original spelling) or naco you will deal with loud noise eventually". That statement was wrong. But you won't "man up" (more slang from the United States) about it. Now you are doing the "MJ moonwalk" thing on me. So be it. I take no issue with your new qualified statement.

Your main objection was to my language. You confirmed in your post that the factual information I provided was accurate. You then went own to outline your experiences and preferences. No one can invalidate those. I appreciate your extensive and detailed review of 20 years of living off and on in the Dominican Republic. Sounds like a book title to me. LOL! It appears that at a least one long time resident has chosen to share the extensive knowledge he has developed over the years.

I took from your post that you know a bunch of guys that like to sit around and talk about the "Golden Era of the DR". WTF? Immediately the Bruce Springsteen song "Glory Days" came to mind: "And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it, but I probably will. Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture a little of the glory of, well time slips away and leaves you with nothing mister but boring stories of glory days. ".

I'm ROTFLMFAO! No thank you. Not for me! I'm sitting on my balcony, basking in the sunlight, having a drink and looking at the ocean. My cell phone goes off. It's my whatsapp. Some sweet twenty something wants to see me (and I know what that means). I tell her to come on over. And I'm supposed to believe that I missed the "Golden Era of the DR"? No my brother! I don't think so. LOL!

As long as smoking hot girls in their twenties are willing to give 50, 60, 70 year old men pussy then the time I'm living in right here and right now is my golden age. Tell your counsel of old men I'm not missing a thing. You can't find any posts where I'm whining like a girly man about not being able to find GFE (mine go way beyond GFE also); You can't find my posts where TLN is a problem (I have trouble getting mine to leave also). You seem like a fairly educated fellow (much more than me, you know, with your proper English and the middle class thing you got going on). Talk to them about a smart phone. Teach them how to use whatsapp and social media. And then they will see they can still, just using their finger, have the pussy come to them (roll the laugh track on that one boys).

Middle Class? That's a oxymoron if I ever heard one in the Dominican Republic. You either have money or you don't. Let me guess, your next post is going to be about the honest politicians that you hang out with. With your talk about "middle class" areas, there your go again with you biases Mr. Prtyr2 (or are they preferences? You never really make that clear). I don't know you. But just from the way you write and what you write about there is not a bit of your advice that I consider valid for me. I've already given you my opinions on those parts of the city. So I won't repeat them here. But did you ever stop to think that maybe it's because I have experienced all that I need or want to experience over there?

Because while it may have taken you 20 years to realize all the city had to offer, it's taken me less than three. I've been there and hung out in those "Middle Class" areas (your term). Tell me I don't know what it's like because I haven't lived there and I'm going to ask: "Do I need to take a bullet to know it would not be optimal for my health and well being?" And more than that, I accepted the challenge Mr. Gogo threw at me and I have traveled all over the Dominican Republic. I talk to Dominicans and they tell me I've been more places than they have on the island. Of course that depends upon who I'm talking too. Here is the simple point I have been trying to make and you don't seem to be able to get it.

If I wanted to live where you and Knowledge like to live I could have stayed the the place I grew up. That's the country with the billionaire president who's advice to young men on how to handle females is to "just grab them in the pussy" and "where it's all about the mother fucking money. " And if you think that I have formed my opinions because I don't know what it's like to live large, google "Air Force Two" and ask yourself have you flown on a plane with that call sign? Send me a PM if you want to know if I have.

So, my man. I think we have a new understanding of each other. I'll leave all those "middle class" areas for you and Knowledge. Those are your stomping grounds. And if that's how you choose / have chosen to live, that's great. I never said it wasn't nice. For me it's a great place to visit. Just wouldn't want to live there. My brother, don't paint Santo Domingo Este with a broad brush full of your biases as if there are no exceptions. Because then you are doing just what Knowledge did. Throwing up some weak shit and showing your lack of it.

First, you were posting to say that unless people live in santo domingo right now, they can't comment on real estate, so you were in effect saying that your opinion is more valid because you have "lived here longer". I just pointed out that if you open that door, there will always be people that have been here longer or know more. I have been here on and off for almost 20 years but know several that have been here much longer. I can tell you that if you never went to LE petit chateau, mona lisa, remington palace, spa michelle, cisne or suenos real, you missed the golden era of the DR. But guys that have been here longer joke about sitting at almost any outdoor place they could have held up one finger if they wanted one girl and two for two girls.

In the past the problem was getting them to leave not getting them to stay TLN. There was no negotiating for what you wanted. They almost all were beyond GFE..

[Knowledge]

The trend is nearly two years old. On the other hand, the money amounts mentioned surprised me. So, I read the original article in El Caribe. This translation is misleading. The article actually says: "Venezuelans charge as much as 2,500 pesos less than the top rate of 3,000 pesos Dominicans charge. The rest of the translation is largely accurate.

I agree with the way the writer characterized the Venezuelans women. Have fun!

January 27,2017.

MENU.

ECONOMY.

Local hookers cringe as Venezuelans 'invade' market.

Santo Domingo. - The growing arrival of Venezuelan women who turn to prostitution in the country starts to concern Dominican sex workers, who complain that they "turn tricks" at below the local market price.

Women's Movement (Modemu) president and former "hooker" Jacqueline Montero said she has received complaints from former colleagues working in Santo Domingo's Malecon, that the South Americans charge as little as RD $2,500 per trick, or below the RD $3,000 which the locals usually charge the "johns" (customers)..

[Prtyr2]

The statements made here previously were (although representative of the writer's opinions) Santo Domingo Este was not a ideal location to live. I believe that to be incorrect. I live in Santo Domingo Este and I don't have to deal with the conditions described by others (noise). And I receive a lot more amenities than they said I would receive for the price I pay. I know people that live in other buildings in Santo Domingo Este and they don't have to live with the conditions described by others (noise). Now, I suppose that just because they said it and they have lived here longer than I have that is supposed to make what they say true. Unfortunately for them it does not. And yes my "foul and aggressive" language does not make my points any more convincing. But my "foul and aggressive" language does not invalidate my personal experiences to date.

First, you were posting to say that unless people live in Santo Domingo right now, they can't comment on real estate, so you were in effect saying that your opinion is more valid because you have "lived here longer". I just pointed out that if you open that door, there will always be people that have been here longer or know more. I have been here on and off for almost 20 years but know several that have been here much longer. I can tell you that if you never went to LE petit chateau, Mona Lisa, Remington palace, spa Michelle, cisne or suenos real, you missed the golden era of the DR. But guys that have been here longer joke about sitting at almost any outdoor place they could have held up one finger if they wanted one girl and two for two girls.

In the past the problem was getting them to leave not getting them to stay TLN. There was no negotiating for what you wanted. They almost all were beyond GFE.

The fact that your building is low noise does not change the fact that the vast majority of the capital is noisy and SDQ este is more noisy than Bella vista or naco for the most part. As far as spelling, auto correct changed painting to painting.

I have lived in 10 different apps down here. First few were in "aquel lado" or SDQ este. Gradually each apt moved up in "class" of neighborhood. Why? What you find as quaint and authentic at first. Waking up with roosters crowing or a beat up truck with crappy PA blasting 20 platoons 20 pesos, gets old after 10 years. After many years, you may prefer having tons of options for non plato del DIA to eat. Hanging out in barrio car washes and colmados can still be fun, but so can checking out live jazz at a nice hotel. Being with barrio chicas that think nueva you is a country and miami is in nueva yol, never gets old, but once in a while having a more intelligent conversation with a civil engineer, or lawyer. In fact you may find that with the passing of time, spending more time in middle class areas and establishments with occasional jaunts back to villa juana or villa agricola, is preferable to hanging in LOS minas why villa consuelo and once in a while going to Blue Mall.

If I had lived in isabelita for 20 years, I would likely not know that the city has more to offer than barrio joints, colmados, car washes and barrio chicas. I can still enjoy those but variety is the spice of life.

[Haint69]

Was seeking some advice from the board. I have a trip coming up soon for 5 nights (which I plan on trying to write a detailed report this time, before all the important small details fade away) should I rent the same place or move around with the number of chicas I plan on bringing. I planned on renting an apartment instead of using a hotel.

Thanks!

[D Cups]

I see a Venezuelan beauty when I go SD. She's 32 and stacked. I could care less about her hair. I give her 2000 P although she has never asked for money. She treats me like a porn king -- videos and all! QUOTE=Berthold;1991216"The Venezuelans. Being very elegant women.

[Mr Enternational]

"The Venezuelan colleagues have come to invade the market, being very elegant women, because we aren't going to take away their merits, they came with their own hair, not like us who bought it; come with their lipo (liposuction) done, came prepared and are very cute and on top of that, come with a lower cost," the activist said.

I like it how the author allows, that the Venezuelans have their own hair, unlike the Dominican counterpart, which is bought and paid for.

Well to me they tried to use the fact that they had to buy hair as a reason Domimicans should charge more. They either conveniently forgot that the Venezuelans had to pay for the liposuction that they mentioned, or either assumed they got it for free. Hell, the Venezuelans even had to pay to get all the way to DR, but they are still able to charge less? Everyone has their overhead costs.

[Berthold]

"The Venezuelan colleagues have come to invade the market, being very elegant women, because we aren't going to take away their merits, they came with their own hair, not like us who bought it; come with their lipo (liposuction) done, came prepared and are very cute and on top of that, come with a lower cost," the activist said.

I like it how the author allows, that the Venezuelans have their own hair, unlike the Dominican counterpart, which is bought and paid for.

[Mr Enternational]

Regarding the article:

I have never had a chick on the malecon ask for 3000 pesos. Hell, I have never had one ask for 2500. Someone is lying.

Same shit I have been saying all along. Once you know the service level of hookers from other countries, you are reluctant about fucking with the lackluster service of Dominican hookers that is sure to be filled with trying to get more out of you through tips and ordering shit for you to pay for and cheating you on the time and promised service. But instead of them feeling threatened and getting their shit together by staying in shape and cutting out the shenanigans, these Dominican hookers want to encourage the new girls on the block who are playing fair, to rip tricks off the same as they do. Oh my gah!

[Revere]

January 27,2017.

MENU.

ECONOMY.

Local hookers cringe as Venezuelans 'invade' market.

Santo Domingo. - The growing arrival of Venezuelan women who turn to prostitution in the country starts to concern Dominican sex workers, who complain that they "turn tricks" at below the local market price.

Women's Movement (Modemu) president and former "hooker" Jacqueline Montero said she has received complaints from former colleagues working in Santo Domingo's Malecon, that the South Americans charge as little as RD $2,500 per trick, or below the RD $3,000 which the locals usually charge the "johns" (customers).

"The Venezuelan colleagues have come to invade the market, being very elegant women, because we aren't going to take away their merits, they came with their own hair, not like us who bought it; come with their lipo (liposuction) done, came prepared and are very cute and on top of that, come with a lower cost," the activist said.

Quoted by elcaribe.com.do, Montero called on the foreigners not to "ruin the business" and charge the same price as the Dominicans. "I think the merchandise doesn't have to be so cheap. Everything has gone up, even the lemisol and the lye soap," Montero said with a laugh.

Men who've used the Venezuelan's sexual services say the foreign women, in addition to being elegant, are usually more educated and less demanding than the Dominicans.

"They look better, are more educated, don't ask for tips and don't demand other things," said a man who asked not to use his name.

They say there are pimps in the East region's tourist areas, who even take them to hotels for a price well below what the Dominican women charge.

[SubCmdr]

Why are we talking about apartment rentals in the first place? Because a member asked a question about it. Objection: Badgering the witness. Sustained. Question was asked and answered counsel. Move on!

Because this a forum for the sharing of information among men who want to have sex with woman, one might ask: Are questions about apartments a relevant discussion? Yes, it most certainly is. Logistics matter! And if the location where you live facilitates your objective of getting PoF (Panties on Floor) then an exchange of information on this subject is important.

The statements made here previously were (although representative of the writer's opinions) Santo Domingo Este was not a ideal location to live. I believe that to be incorrect. I live in Santo Domingo Este and I don't have to deal with the conditions described by others (noise). And I receive a lot more amenities than they said I would receive for the price I pay. I know people that live in other buildings in Santo Domingo Este and they don't have to live with the conditions described by others (noise). Now, I suppose that just because they said it and they have lived here longer than I have that is supposed to make what they say true. Unfortunately for them it does not. And yes my "foul and aggressive" language does not make my points any more convincing. But my "foul and aggressive" language does not invalidate my personal experiences to date.

When girls come to your apartment and use it a sanctuary away from the chaotic environment they live. When they relax and chill while having a drink with you on the balcony with their hair being blown gently by the ocean breeze. When they tell you how much they enjoy being here with you. When foreplay starts on your balcony with absolutely no effort on your part and continues to the bedroom. When all of that is in full effect. I know I have picked the right location to facilitate my PoF efforts. Of course this only works with non pros. Because the UTR's, Semi-Pros and Pros are just there for the money. Right?

You a big dog! You got it like that! Live large with the rich folks! As for me, I'm going to continue to live "hood rich" and enjoy life with my barrio chicas. But just like the real estate agent that asked me: "Why would you want to live over there?" She didn't know. But now you do. LOL!

To those who would tell me to tone things down. My question to them is: Tone down for what? To those bragging about using the internet to find apartments at market value: How about using the internet to learn how spell the neighborhood names right? About the posters who have lived here longer than I have and don't post anymore: Fuck them! If they have accumulated knowledge and are not sharing it then it's useless to me and others.

Remember, I don't have to post either. None of us do. But if you are going to post that is raining right now where I'm standing and I'm basking in sunlight I'm going to check you on it. It's rare that anyone calls into question the factual information I provide. But there always seems to be someone taking issue with how I write. A brief review of posts all over the forum will reveal that profanity and aggressive language is being used on a fairly routine basis. If I saw you posting the same thing about them and I might check myself. But I don't. That makes all you critical motherfuckers consistently inconsistent. And more importantly, irrelevant.

If you must hate my brother, don't hate the player, hate the game!

[Prtyr2]

$500 - $600 will get you a ocean view apartment with 24 hour security and two covered parking spaces in Santo Domingo Este. And no motherfucker, I do not have do not have to put up with loud music or Colmados. And before one of you critical motherfuckers try to challenge my "facts" if you don't live in Santo Domingo right now you're not in the position to tell anyone anything about real estate.

You aren't going to find a market price on an apartment on the internet. What you will find is jacked up prices aimed at gringos. Want to find a good deal on an apartment in Santo Domingo? Better have boots on the ground or a lovely chica to "front" for you. Because if you don't they are going to get so deep in your ass you won't need to go for your next regular colonoscopy. Just ask them for a report. LOL!

If you must hate, don't hate the player, hate the motherfucking game, my brother.

Unless you are in painting or naco you will deal with loud noise eventually. Whether the colmado, idiots with loud cars and stereos, vendors yelling aguacate every 10 minutes etc. As far as market prices, you can find them online. I do it all the time. You may find "steals" or below market value by networking. Have seen that as well. Maybe you can turn it down a notch or two.

Remember there are gringos that have lived here 10,15 20 or 40 years that do not post here often. They don't need to.

[BocaBill]

I'm am staying there right now for a couple of weeks. Not chica friendly but the security is lax and you might be able to sneak one in. It's a be&be with mostly couples. I have the smallest room for $200/ week.

I stand corrected. This morning while having breakfast this petite Haitian girl who works a few doors down comes walking out of one of the ground floor rooms. I asked one of the workers here if that isn't the girl who works nearby and he says yes. I asked what was she doing here and he says she was just have 'nightly relations' with the guy in the room. So I guess this place is chica friendly after all.

[Knowledge]

It's OK I honestly don't mind. Thanks for the advice, I hope you carry on writing anything you like.

First of all, it's not the east side. Santo Domingo is a municipality. And Santo Domingo Este is a separate municipality. Only the uninformed don't know this.

To the guy that originally asked the question, feel free to private message me if you want to know about Santo Domingo Este (The Municipality that is not for Mr. Knowledge). IMO simply saying something isn't for you does not add any useful information to the discussion. And if you want some book knowledge by all means continue to "Use the Internet to get familiar different neighborhoods" (Damn that's bad usage of the English language. But it's least it's not aggressive or profane). LOL!

I have searched for apartments in Santo Domingo proper. I have visited friends in Santo Domingo proper. And my observations are you should live in Gazcue, Naco, or Piantini, if you want to be around people that walk around with their nose in the air and think they are better than everyone else because they have a few more pesos to rub together. That's what you are really paying for over there. And if that is your personality you might think you will fit in very well over there. But don't get it twisted my brother. No matter how much money you have you will always be a gringo. And get in the wrong building and start running ho's out that place and see what the neighbors begin thinking of you. Cause they got cash over there and they could give a fuck if you do too. Add to the fact that the girls over there are stuck the fuck up. But they do have the advantage of having jobs and being in general responsible contributors to society.

Yeah man. It's nice over there...