Other FKK Clubs

[Pistons]

TC (alias The Cornholio).

https://youtu.be/aCutOI9F8Ws

[The Cane]

But you are The Great Cornholio.

Even though I may have gotten up in them cornholes 60% of the time during my last trip, I tapped those pussies 100% of the time!

TC (alias The Cornholio).

[Pistons]

But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do.

But you are The Great Cornholio.

[ExpatLover]

I don't know which one is Kylie, as she did not approach me. If she did, then the name was not shared. But here's the thing. If you want anal and BBBJ / CIM in your session, and I did a lot my last trip, then even in a 30 minute session you're going to pay 200 euros! So, I would rather pay an additional 50 euros to have more time to get what I want in a non-rushed scenario. So sure, yes maybe you can get a good session (whatever one deems to be good) for 50 euros from this "Kylie". But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do. An hour-long man! Didn't do one 30 minute session during my entire last trip LOL!

I fully agree with you and it is also what I do for 50 euros you can just get a very basic service except the girl falls in love of you.

[Pistons]

I am thinking the best way for the customers and the girls is only one solution: they have to start limiting the amount of girls at the clubs, and enforce qualiity control. And choose girls out of looks and service...

The amount of girls are not getting any lower. It might be twice as many p6 girls in a few years given how society is liberalizing, finding jobs is getting harder and more countries are getting in with visa free travel (plus cheaper flights).

Limiting the amount of clubs is therefor the best part of the new german law as far as I can tell. If only the clubs can move that type of thinking forward and cap the girls also based on quality.

It is the same analogy you see in Macau with casino licenses and legally allowed numbers of gaming tables. Or taxi licenses in most european countries. If you don't do it like this, you will get empty gaming tables or taxis not earning money because of the overflow. And according to Steve Wynn himself, nothing hurts the market more than empty tables. So it is good, even to him to have such restrictions... Or you will find taxies like in sweden (where I don't think they have a cap on licenses) who rips you off charging 2x the standard fare from airport to downtown...

[Pistons]

In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.

Problem with the minds of many FKK girls is that they only see 50 notes. So any upsell is 50 e extra. Doesn't matter which. And if a girl thinks she is worth more than other girls, that will probably be another 50 e up.

This kind of mindset is so rediculously ridgid and laughable that if it gains traction based on looks also, I will deffinately move on.

Tiered level of quality upgrades makes sense however. But even that can hurt the german FKK model and send people packing to other destinatioms. I for one can only take so many top girls giving indications of higher rates before I explore new waters. Thats how free men live before they get the ring. And even after that according to some here on the board. But I guess they just have a lame wife.

I can even get top apartment girls where I live for around 110e. So anything over 70 or 80e in germany/austria makes a 3-4 day trip wasteful and bad given cost balance to me. Switzerland is already outprizing themselves massively...

[The Cane]

Little bird on the roof says Kylie (palace) can do great sessions for 50 also. No need to spend 250. But not for everyone.

I don't know which one is Kylie, as she did not approach me. If she did, then the name was not shared. But here's the thing. If you want anal and BBBJ / CIM in your session, and I did a lot my last trip, then even in a 30 minute session you're going to pay 200 euros! So, I would rather pay an additional 50 euros to have more time to get what I want in a non-rushed scenario. So sure, yes maybe you can get a good session (whatever one deems to be good) for 50 euros from this "Kylie". But for me, "good" means non-rushed sex with anal and BBBJ / CIM. Plus some massage thrown in! So, I gladly paid 250 euros to get "the full Monty" at a more relaxed, less clock-watching pace. This is how I do. An hour-long man! Didn't do one 30 minute session during my entire last trip LOL!

[Pistons]

Little bird on the roof says Kylie (palace) can do great sessions for 50 also. No need to spend 250. But not for everyone.

[The Cane]

Obviously you like to negotiate a lot before to make the things a little bit like a machine. Now sorry to be a bit more precise do you really believe that a sweet girl will accept to do anal with you before seeing if you are big / too big for her or not.

Reading stuff into my posts that's simply not there! There is nothing machine-like about it at all. It's all very friendly and easy-going and naturally woven into whatever conversation we're having. All very laid back. And the truth of the matter is that most of the girls will initiate that part of it themselves by asking me what I would like to do in the room. That's a good time to talk about service and price. But it's not like sitting across from each other at a negotiating or bargaining table! All much more informal and a natural part of the conversation than that!

And the other truth of the matter is that most girls who agree to anal with me do not ask me about size first or make it contingent upon that. Some do, but most don't. And I go with plenty of "sweet" girls. This has nothing to do with what I "believe". It's what I know! Stop reading stuff into my posts that isn't there. And good for you if you like to take your chances and see what happens in the room. I don't recommend that to anybody. No instead, just take a few moments in a friendly, laid back manner to say what you want, and at what price. This is the best way to avoid misunderstandings and disappointments in the room. If you're going to spend your hard-earned money, then just like with any other part of life, make an effort to get what you want for giving up that cash!

[ExpatLover]

Yes, you really need to make sure you have an understanding with the girl before you go to the room. Especially if you intend to spend up to 250 euros for the session! I spent a lot more on CIM this trip than I normally have on any other FKK trip to Germany before. Of course, the reason was July 1st and the coming legal changes. I don't think BBBJ / CIM is going away anytime soon actually. The girls are still going to do it. But, I just wanted to enjoy without having to think too much about procuring that particular service, which is likely to change after the law is revised.

I can see tutes trying for 50 euros more for a BBBJ, and then another 50 euros for CIM! You find this sort of thing in Munich and Hamburg already. The good thing about Hamburg though, as previously written, was that for hour-long sessions I could negotiate Hessen-equivalent prices. This expensive tactic (50 for BBBJ + another 50 for CIM) should be rejected by Hessen, NRW, and Artemis mongers! I won't pay this in Hessen or at Artemis (or NRW when I go). After all, it's the monger who will be putting himself at risk in the eyes of the law, and not the tute. So, I think paying the standard 50 euros additional for BBBJ & CIM (as is the price now in most parts of Germany) should be enough incentive to the girls to keep offering BBBJ / CIM service. If not, then I will simply go back to rarely ever doing CIM then. I'll just drop anchor up in that ass is what hahahaha!

Obviously you like to negotiate a lot before to make the things a little bit like a machine, I do exactly the opposite never discuss something before the room, just go there wait and see what will come and I am close to never to be disappointed. Now sorry to be a bit more precise do you really believe that a sweet girl will accept to do anal with you before seeing if you are big / too big for her or not, let's be modest and realistic those kind of girls want to protect their body and will only do thing if they consider it will not harm their health, they are far to be desperate. Some of them are earning 10000 to 15000 euros / month, and also they have a lot of regular in the club who are booking them for many hours.

[Hessen Bub]

Stella also does 50€ sessions. And she doesn't kiss for extra money.

Everything about the situation after July 1st is pure speculation. Yawn.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

That is if the session is really great for 250 Euros. I mean Stella doesn't kiss, but still has 100 Euros package for 30 min and at times 150 I've heard as well. I have been with girls that really the service wouldn't be considered good for 100 Euros, and this type of interaction with certain girls that is looking to extract puts a bad outlook on other girls to provide honest to good services worth extending. There are girls looking to lock in 100, and are not really reputed for services. As a customer, obviously you will be looking for great services for your money, and lower the less out of your pocket. If you are ok with dropping 250 with chances of service, that's one's peragative.

You got to consider that some clubs, chances of running into this is much lower.

Anyway, p6. The draw of De is really the standards, if not go somewhere where 10's cost significantly more if one feel that is much more worthy.

If people like the looseness of standards, those clubs exist, and people can check them out. LOL.

[The Cane]

In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.

Yes, but it is the monger who will be punished if caught, and not the tute! So, what real basis do the tutes have to raise prices? That will only work if we go for it! Don't!

[The Cane]

True. But he also expresses how he takes his time with the girls before committing himself reaching a mutal understanding of what is going to happen in the room at a given price. I think this is a major key if you intend to have good experiences in places like Hamburg, Vienna or most places in Spain. Or; try to get decent 50 E sessions in Hessen.

Yes, you really need to make sure you have an understanding with the girl before you go to the room. Especially if you intend to spend up to 250 euros for the session! I spent a lot more on CIM this trip than I normally have on any other FKK trip to Germany before. Of course, the reason was July 1st and the coming legal changes. I don't think BBBJ / CIM is going away anytime soon actually. The girls are still going to do it. But, I just wanted to enjoy without having to think too much about procuring that particular service, which is likely to change after the law is revised.

I can see tutes trying for 50 euros more for a BBBJ, and then another 50 euros for CIM! You find this sort of thing in Munich and Hamburg already. The good thing about Hamburg though, as previously written, was that for hour-long sessions I could negotiate Hessen-equivalent prices. This expensive tactic (50 for BBBJ + another 50 for CIM) should be rejected by Hessen, NRW, and Artemis mongers! I won't pay this in Hessen or at Artemis (or NRW when I go). After all, it's the monger who will be putting himself at risk in the eyes of the law, and not the tute. So, I think paying the standard 50 euros additional for BBBJ & CIM (as is the price now in most parts of Germany) should be enough incentive to the girls to keep offering BBBJ / CIM service. If not, then I will simply go back to rarely ever doing CIM then. I'll just drop anchor up in that ass is what hahahaha!

[Craiova]

In around 4 month we'll get a new price structure for P6 in Germany. And in no way an official one bc. BBBJ is illegal. And one other point we should give up the idea that all girls have the same value. I can't see why a 10 should work for the same price like a 6. Ok very important for German FKK club success story was this standard price but this is gone anyway on July 1st.