Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Wolvenvacht]

What I forgot to say in my previous post is that the dimethicone barrier cream will help protect the skin from the irritation and subsequent increased risk of infection from antimicrobial soaps.

http://wisderm.com/ingredients/Dimethicone

Which is an entirely different thing than claiming it protects against microbes.

[Wolvenvacht]

Stop being so contentious. You are contradicting everything, anybody posts here. Besides this article on WebMD lists a host of ailments that are treated by tea tree oil.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...A%20TREE%20OIL

And the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supp...d/HRB-20060086.

I am just pointing out that websites that sell this kind of stuff are rarely if ever really objective about it and just throw together some scientific terms that sound good but don't hold together when you check it out. Many give some vague hints which our brains supplement with what we wish is true (but unfortunately isn't).

Bersides, your WebMD link is broken and the Mayoclinic has found its information on a site called "Natural Medicines" which is only accessible when you pay them 15 USD / month! And the quote on the Mayoclinic site is very light in content. A bit disappointing, really.

[Travv]

Dr. (Major) Maganlal P. Vora, M. B. B. S. , D. V. D. , I. M. S. (R).

He is 98 years old today and in fairly good health for his age. He spent his whole life in the promotion of awareness and treatment of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) / Infections (STIs) and AIDS. He is perhaps the oldest living person in the world having spent over 70 years in promotion of "awareness" in this field of Sexual Diseases. He went into Venereal Diseases right after his graduation in 1934. He was attached to the Department of Venereal Diseases of the Sir J. J. Hospital, Mumbai (Bombay), India in those days.

His recommendation for prevention of STDs?" Certification obtained in the use of Nano Silver Particles in controlling HIV-1 Virus. This important landmark Research has brought humanity many steps closer to eradicating AIDS in our world today. This is the first time in the world that this scientific development (which has a far reaching global impact) has been reproduced by an independent laboratory to substantiate our claims and validate our research and clinical findings. Also: Efficacy of Colloidal Silver against both Gram Positive and Gram Negative Bacteria, Fungi (Candida) and other micro-organisms".

http://www.stdpioneer.org/

The method I use to follow this doctor's recommendation is to buy a large bottle of coconut oil at Walmart in the cooking section for $7 - it must be the liquid at room temperature type. Then buy Silver ointment at CVS pharmacy for $9 - the "Antimicrobial Silver Gel" or buy higher Silver ppm ointments. I prefer the 250 ppm silver ointment. Mix the silver and the oil together in a small bottle for carrying and use liberally. I view it as a condom for your skin that kills STDs, HIV and Herpes. But you must also purchase non-latex condoms like the Sagamis that are not affected by oil. Visit the doctor's website for viewing his papers and reports and lab tests on STD prevention.

[John Dough]

There is a guy on the USA board called Trust Lust that has this to say about antimicrobial agents:

My mongering, on a regular basis, was to begin exactly 26 years ago, today, and I've always made it strict policy to go bare back.

I never have P4P without immediate access to bathing; it dates back to the ancient regime, I guess. Home turf or my motel room with my valuables and food stashed have proven to always work out the best.

I take a cup of water and slosh a couple of cap fulls of Clorox in it. Immediately, after fucking, I wash my dick with this solution. I even take a syringe full of it to douche out my pisser. They use about the same thing, Dakin's solution, to wash out wounds, at the hospital.

The way I do it is slosh a little bit of Clorox in a pint of water and flush out my ureter directly after sex. Right after that, I wash my whole dick with the same solution while using a washcloth. I've been doing it since December 1991 and have never caught any STD's; I've gone bareback almost with every SW I've dated. During the first few times you do it, you should experience a slight burning sensation, but this is only the bacteria at the top of the ureter yelling,"Fire!" At first, I had to (empty my bladder), directly afterwards, but once my liver made the juices for what was going on, this didn't keep happening.

Don't rule out 2% tincture of iodine for herpes or genital warts. The medical hoopla media only has you believing it won't kill viruses, and it oftentimes kills jock itch when nothing, doctor given, will.

[John Dough]

What I forgot to say in my previous post is that the dimethicone barrier cream will help protect the skin from the irritation and subsequent increased risk of infection from antimicrobial soaps.

http://wisderm.com/ingredients/Dimethicone

Dimethicone is used extensively in cosmetic formulations as a conditioning agent, skin protectant and moisturizer.

In fact, a barrier cream based on dimethicone has been demonstrated to protect against the penetration of S. Mansoni cercariae, the parasitic worm that causes schistosomiasis, into human skin.

Including dimethicone in topical acne medications can minimize treatment-related irritation by reducing the impairment of the epidermal barrier and restoring its function.

Dimethicone's skin protectant properties enables it to be used for the prevention or treatment of several types of dermatitis.

Numerous clinical trials have established the efficacy of dimethicone-based formulations in clearing head louse infestations.

[Eszpresszo]

Tea tree oil or snake oil?

According to this article on Wikipedia and it's references there is insufficient evidence that tea tree oil has any effect on keeping your skin healthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil.

Stop being so contentious. You are contradicting everything, anybody posts here. Besides this article on WebMD lists a host of ailments that are treated by tea tree oil.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supple...A%20TREE%20OIL

And the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supp...d/HRB-20060086.

[Wolvenvacht]

Dimethicone skin barrier creams are used to protect skin for hospital workers who wash their hands often. It is also a common ingredient in silicone sex lubes and is added to pre-lubed condoms. Perhaps it would be a good place to start a defense against microbes. Since many microbes are passed in body fluids and dimethicone is water resistant, it should provide some level of protection. Applying it to the pubic areas not covered by condoms would seem a reasonable precaution. Coconut oil is also a good sex lube and water resistant barrier, but it is not compatible with latex condoms.

http://www.glovesinabottle.com/how-it-works.html

It is just a silicone based lotion and it doesn't even dare to claim it will protect against harmful bacteria or microbes.

[John Dough]

I think maybe the best defense might be a good proactive offense.

Dimethicone skin barrier creams are used to protect skin for hospital workers who wash their hands often. It is also a common ingredient in silicone sex lubes and is added to pre-lubed condoms. Perhaps it would be a good place to start a defense against microbes. Since many microbes are passed in body fluids and dimethicone is water resistant, it should provide some level of protection. Applying it to the pubic areas not covered by condoms would seem a reasonable precaution. Coconut oil is also a good sex lube and water resistant barrier, but it is not compatible with latex condoms.

http://www.glovesinabottle.com/how-it-works.html

[Wolvenvacht]

This all caused me to deep dive a bit further. I found out about DEFENSE, a soap favored by competitive Greco-Roman wrestlers and other people involved in contact sports or martial arts ("combat athletes" Imagine a couple of sweaty guys wrestling and how they could transfer things from one to another. Not sure if I need to take that along on a mongering trip, but they also have wet-pipes that are designed for situations where you cannot bathe.

http://www.defensesoap.com/ Tea tree oil soap is also anti-microbial, as well without the negative effects of some anti-bio soaps.

Some years ago, I took some basic healthcare classes, while exploring a career in medical imaging. I learned a bit of about how your natural flora inside you as well on your skin surface is crucial to defense against infections, and how antibiotics destroy these, making the patient vulnerable to a "superinfection". In theory, some anti-microbial soaps can destroy the natural flora, thus making one more vulnerable to infections from hostile micro-organisms. I was taking a probiotic supplement, PB8, to boost my body flora when I was in Thailand. I was mostly concerned about keeping my guts in good health and resistant to bad things I might have ingested. But, I will be investigating all this further. I think maybe the best defense might be a good proactive offense.

Tea tree oil or snake oil?

According to this article on Wikipedia and it's references there is insufficient evidence that tea tree oil has any effect on keeping your skin healthy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_tree_oil.

[Eszpresszo]

Unsubstantiated scare mongering article ending with a link to his webshop. 'Nuff said.

This all caused me to deep dive a bit further. I found out about DEFENSE, a soap favored by competitive Greco-Roman wrestlers and other people involved in contact sports or martial arts ("combat athletes" Imagine a couple of sweaty guys wrestling and how they could transfer things from one to another. Not sure if I need to take that along on a mongering trip, but they also have wet-pipes that are designed for situations where you cannot bathe.

http://www.defensesoap.com/ Tea tree oil soap is also anti-microbial, as well without the negative effects of some anti-bio soaps.

Some years ago, I took some basic healthcare classes, while exploring a career in medical imaging. I learned a bit of about how your natural flora inside you as well on your skin surface is crucial to defense against infections, and how antibiotics destroy these, making the patient vulnerable to a "superinfection". In theory, some anti-microbial soaps can destroy the natural flora, thus making one more vulnerable to infections from hostile micro-organisms. I was taking a probiotic supplement, PB8, to boost my body flora when I was in Thailand. I was mostly concerned about keeping my guts in good health and resistant to bad things I might have ingested. But, I will be investigating all this further. I think maybe the best defense might be a good proactive offense.

[Wolvenvacht]

A lot of Thai women use a special kind of "woman" soap to clean up after sex. I think on the basis that is cleans up STDs better than regular soap. However, the irony is that they are not combating any diseases, and actually increasing the likelyhood of getting diseases (ie: cervical cancer). See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mer...b_3359581.html.

Unsubstantiated scare mongering article ending with a link to his webshop. 'Nuff said.

[Danibbler]

A lot of Thai women use a special kind of "woman" soap to clean up after sex. I think on the basis that is cleans up STDs better than regular soap. However, the irony is that they are not combating any diseases, and actually increasing the likelyhood of getting diseases (ie: cervical cancer). See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mer...b_3359581.html.

Your link says nothing about soap and developing cancer. I'd do a bit more research than trusting some osteopath on Huffington.

[ParkVille]

Good question. You caught my attention here. I read about Listerine used as a genital antiseptic during the 70's. I think I recall an interview with the late John Holmes, who said he washed his cock with Listerine before and after intercourse. Not that it helped him in the long run. But, I recall that was a porn industry precaution. I haven't heard much about it since then, definitely not in the Safe Sex era. I wonder if there is there any scientific case to support that it helps? I would definitely consider adopting it if there is any evidence that it does. But cervical cancer in women? What women have that kind of exposure to Listerine? Just curious.

A lot of Thai women use a special kind of "woman" soap to clean up after sex. I think on the basis that is cleans up STDs better than regular soap. However, the irony is that they are not combating any diseases, and actually increasing the likelyhood of getting diseases (ie: cervical cancer). See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mer...b_3359581.html.

[Eszpresszo]

Is Listerine / anti-bacterial even effective, like at all? I understand people want to avoid STDs, but I'm fairly sure that those do **nothing at all** in combating STDs. Like, literally 0% difference. In fact, some of those have been proven to cause cervical cancer in women.

Good question. You caught my attention here. I read about Listerine used as a genital antiseptic during the 70's. I think I recall an interview with the late John Holmes, who said he washed his cock with Listerine before and after intercourse. Not that it helped him in the long run. But, I recall that was a porn industry precaution. I haven't heard much about it since then, definitely not in the Safe Sex era. I wonder if there is there any scientific case to support that it helps? I would definitely consider adopting it if there is any evidence that it does. But cervical cancer in women? What women have that kind of exposure to Listerine? Just curious.

[Deori]

Does anyone here have any experience using Lifecare Lab in Pattaya for STD testing? Just wondering if anyone here can vouch for them. They were recommended on a non mongering expat site for general lab work and have great prices. I will be home in a week and share some longer reports. I'm just on my phone here now and it's a pain to write at length. Seriously, ISG, time to make the site a little more mobile friendly?

Thanks guys!