St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[GringoItaliano]

I will be in SXM from April 2 to April 6. I will be working during the day, but I will be free to monger at night. I have thus been RTFF'ing, and I have a few questions and observations for the SXM veterans on this thread. Also, feel free to hit me up if you will be on the island within that time frame.

1) I will be staying at the Westin. My impression of such hotels in SXM and elsewhere in the Caribbean is that they are not officially chica-friendly, but one should not have problems bringing a girl back to one's room, as long as she does not dress like a glaringly obvious puta. Does that sound right?

2) How much should I expect to pay in cab fare between the Westin and; a) Carolina's / Crystal's / El Capitan; or b) Casablanca / Sunset Retreat? I tried using the taxi zone map and chart from an old post on this thread, but it was not clear which zones they were in.

3) Does anyone have any photos of the well-reviewed chicas that posters have mentioned in recent months, E. G. Luisa and Esmeralda from Crystal's? I have been making notes on their names and descriptions, but photos would make it a lot easier to recognize them.

4) On a procedural note, do you pay the house the room rental fee up front and then pay the chica the negotiated rate after the session, as you would with free-range chicas in other environments? Have you encountered any issues with chicas asking for payment for the sessions up front?

5) Are these clubs more like the casas or strip clubs in places like Colombia or Costa Rica? I saw references to chicas dancing on stage, but in other ways they sounded more like casas, albeit with more opportunity for social interaction before choosing your chica. As for those with stage performances, how useful did you find those performances in guiding your selection of chicas?

6) My impression is that contributors to this thread generally prefer the Colombian talent in the SXM clubs to the Dominican talent. I can imagine why they might have such a preference, having been to both Colombia and the DR, as well as Campo Alegre in Curacao, where the Dominicans paled in comparison to the Colombians. Would you agree or disagree, and why?

7) It sounds like the Platinum Room differs little in its offerings from a USA Strip club, except for the expensive take out option. It does not sound like a good value for the money, compared to the other clubs, unless one has a special interest in its Eastern European talent. I do like Eastern Europeans, but not as much as Latinas, and there are plenty of Eastern Europeans at the strip clubs here in New York. In fact, I met a Ukrainian stripper here in New York who used to work at the Platinum Room, and she encouraged me to go there. Would you agree or disagree?

[Liathain]

This was a Letter To The Editor The Daily Herald of St. Maarten:

Dear Editor,

Last Tuesday, the case of Casa Blanca was heard at the Court of First Instance of St. Maarten. Casa Blanca and its principles are charged with human exploitation and tax fraud.

According to the Public Prosecutor, Casa Blanca had concluded employment agreements with its sex workers and therefore, should have reported the revenues for the sexual services by the women for tax purposes.

At first glance, this standpoint seems logical; however, there are serious caveats.

Firstly, it should be asked why a club would conclude employment agreements with sex workers because there are no obvious benefits for the club in doing so; neither the club nor the sex worker consider the contract as an actual employment relationship. The only purpose of these agreements is to acquire work permits for the sex workers. The sex workers cannot request nor acquire these permits themselves according to the current permit system that is in place in St. Maarten.

The St. Maarten government is evaluating to change this system into a system wherein the sex worker may request the work permit as an independent entrepreneur. Apparently, this system is already in place in Statia. An employment relation with a sex worker is also not morally accepted here in St. Maarten or the other Dutch Caribbean islands of Aruba, Curaao or BES.

Notwithstanding the above, there are even more pressing legal arguments as to why the employment contracts with sex workers should be considered null and void.

The existence of an employment agreement is condition to certain legal requirements being met, I. E. (I) the employee has to perform work, (ii) the employer has to pay salary to the employee, and (iii) the employer should have the power to give instructions to the employee. All three requirements should be met or else there is no legal employment agreement.

Casa Blanca makes its money from the room rentals to the sex workers. The revenues for the sexual services are for the women. The client pays the sex worker for her services and the club withholds rent money on said revenues as well as a small service charge fee. Under this scenario, there are evidently two separate and independent entrepreneurs at play, I. E. The club and the sex worker. This is confirmed by case law.

More importantly, however, is the moral and ethical issues surrounding the treatment of sex workers in St. Maarten, which excludes the existence of legal employment agreements. To mention a simple example, an employment contract with a slave is illegal (at least according to our laws). In the same way, employment agreements with workers whom are being treated unethically are also considered null and void.

The alleged unethical treatment of sex workers in St. Maarten has gotten so out of control that the government decided to stop the issuance of work permits for sex workers as of 2015. Local clubs, including Casa Blanca, are accused of exploitation of the women who work there. This environment is evidently not suitable for and in conflict with a legally binding and enforceable employment agreement.

The Highest Court has decided that an employment agreement with a sex worker is perfectly acceptable unless the agreement would have to be considered unethical based on the specific circumstances, e. G. In case of exploitation.

It comes down to the following the Public Prosecutor cannot have it both ways. If it charges and prosecutes local clubs for allegedly exploiting sex workers, then it is not possible to also go after the same clubs for not having reported the revenues of the sex workers for tax purposes. By doing so, the Prosecutor assumes the existence of legally binding employment agreements, which is not the case. If there is no employment relationship for civil law purposes, then the same applies for tax purposes. Tax wise, the sex workers are independent entrepreneurs and should be separately taxed as such. This way, taxation in St. Maarten would be in alignment with reality. No double dips for the Prosecutor's Office and certainly not for the tax department.

Richie J. Kock,

Attorney-at-law.

The letter is at: https://thedailyherald.sx/opinion/le...n-sex-industry.

[FunTimeSxm]

Yes, my friend made the deal with girl as she was not working, they start work at 10 pm.

He met the girl in the Piano bar in Pelican key last Monday night. If you go there tonight at around 11 pm you will see the girls working in packs, I counted around 6 last time. The girls were on their night off.

It maybe worth checking out the Pool bar on the 1st floor of the building opposite Red Diamond, I heard that's were the Eastern European girls hang out but that needs confirming. I know a number of girls live in the 2nd floor as I used to go to the Mega Gym and you could see them all coming and going from that building.

[Dr CoolHand]

So my friend has reported to me the take out service from Red diamond. He paid 100 $ for 1 HR with a Colombian chick called Catalina. He said her English was great and body amazing but no passion.

She was brought to his apartment and the driver waited for the girl outside the security gate for one hour, he did not have to pay for this. He said he would see her again as she was good company and maybe passion will come 2nd if she thinks he will become a regular.

He also been told by the girl that Red Diamond has 34 girls, 4 of which are from Thailand. Looks like they maybe trying up the game in Simpson Bay.

I checked out the line-up at Red Diamond which is surprisingly good at this time, I can confirm the 4 girls from Thailand (one is very tall which is unusual), furthermore there are 3 Dominicans, 1 Venezuelan and 5 Colombians, the rest are from (former) Russia or Eastern Europe.

One question for you: could you please precise the term "take out service from Red Diamonds" ?

The official rate to take out a girl from Red Diamonds is 250 USD for the house (same rate than in Platinum Room), plus the amount whatever you agree on for the girl.

I understand it was your friend who did the deal. However, it would be interesting to know how that agreement was fixed, as 100 USD per hour seems to be an extremely good rate -I only can imagine it was on her day-off and she was a kind of desperate. Whatever, please let us know.

Cheers.

[FunTimeSxm]

So my friend has reported to me the take out service from Red diamond. He paid 100 $ for 1 HR with a Colombian chick called Catalina. He said her English was great and body amazing but no passion.

She was brought to his apartment and the driver waited for the girl outside the security gate for one hour, he did not have to pay for this. He said he would see her again as she was good company and maybe passion will come 2nd if she thinks he will become a regular.

He also been told by the girl that Red Diamond has 34 girls, 4 of which are from Thailand. Looks like they maybe trying up the game in Simpson Bay.

[Scubatoo]

Checked out both places:

At Casablanca, presently there are 4 ladies are working, all Dominicanas:

Rosemarie, 37 years, 2 kids, lived 10 years in Germany and speaks reasonable good German. Very pleasant to talk to but high on mileage, not my cup of coffee (rating 4 in the looks).

2 other Dominicans which I would rate both as a 5.5 (I'm quite discriminating in my judgement: e. G. Rating 5 I might do, but not tell to my friends).

Lolly (nomen est omen) which is tall but has a cute and firm little ass, pleasant attitude and gives an excellent BBBJCIM. I would rate her as a solid 6.0 in the looks department and a 7.0 in service.

At Sunset Retreat, there are presently 9 chicas working:

7 Dominicanas, rated between 3.5 up to the only 6 (name is "Flor", 28 years, 2 kids, quite tall and a kind of attractive, pleasant attitude and nice to talk to. Since 3 months on St. Maarten).

1 chica from Nicaragua (very different than the well known Dominicans and Colombianas, 25 years, 1 kid, quite educated and very pleasant, since 9 days on the island. I would rate her a solid 6 if you like small boobs.

1 Colombiana, which was "a fuera", hence I didn't get to see her.. But if somebody took her out for the whole night it's already a good sign.

Note: Once inside the bar you will feel pretty safe. No problem. However, as stated by other members in earlier posts. The parking situation is a kind of sketchy. Not much of a plan "be" if somebody would attacks you. You better take precautions.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

Thanks for the great intel! While I love the Colombian girls, I have had great sessions with DR girls. Just a different approach. With the DR girls, use an alpha dog mindset to tame them. Once you do, you can have your way with them in the room and a great time. Many of the DR girls have poor English. So use Google Translate if you don't know any basic Spanish. The rooms at Casablanca are really good. I have not been to the rooms in Sunset. Both bars have great circulation and the girls love to hang with you if you just want to have a beer. Sunset has an early 4-7 option in the smaller bar accessed from the road behind it. Some parking there as well. At night, park here and walk around the front. The parking lot, believe it or not, is better lit now than a couple of years back.

[Dr CoolHand]

Given all the shake up over immigration, it would be great if you could check out Sunset Retreat and Casablanca and let us know what is happening at those bars. Both are heavily DR girls, but I saw the best looking girl in October at Sunset Retreat. She looked eastern European. These clubs are just around the hill from Defiance.

Checked out both places:

At Casablanca, presently there are 4 ladies are working, all Dominicanas:

Rosemarie, 37 years, 2 kids, lived 10 years in Germany and speaks reasonable good German. Very pleasant to talk to but high on mileage, not my cup of coffee (rating 4 in the looks).

2 other Dominicans which I would rate both as a 5.5 (I'm quite discriminating in my judgement: e. G. Rating 5 I might do, but not tell to my friends).

Lolly (nomen est omen) which is tall but has a cute and firm little ass, pleasant attitude and gives an excellent BBBJCIM. I would rate her as a solid 6.0 in the looks department and a 7.0 in service.

At Sunset Retreat, there are presently 9 chicas working:

7 Dominicanas, rated between 3.5 up to the only 6 (name is "Flor", 28 years, 2 kids, quite tall and a kind of attractive, pleasant attitude and nice to talk to. Since 3 months on St. Maarten).

1 chica from Nicaragua (very different than the well known Dominicans and Colombianas, 25 years, 1 kid, quite educated and very pleasant, since 9 days on the island. I would rate her a solid 6 if you like small boobs.

1 Colombiana, which was "a fuera", hence I didn't get to see her.. But if somebody took her out for the whole night it's already a good sign.

Note: Once inside the bar you will feel pretty safe. No problem. However, as stated by other members in earlier posts. The parking situation is a kind of sketchy. Not much of a plan "be" if somebody would attacks you. You better take precautions.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

[FunTimeSxm]

Another thing, if you are In St Maarten for Easter weekend, the brothels are closed on good Friday. The girls offer amazing prices to take them out and also there is no multa.

If you need good Viagra, go to the adult toy box in either Simpson bay or Phillipsburg, the owner Antoine has a great selection. I would recommend the black mamba pill for $10, open it up and take 1/4 with water. You will be good to go after all night on the ale for 24 hrs.

Finally make sure you have whatsapp, all the girls use this and it's great for communicating with them and arranging times, especially with the popular girls.

[FunTimeSxm]

The bar is the one that has a busy Monday night with live music, my friend has been talking to one of the girls and basically as long as she can get to work before 10 pm (on dancing days) she is happy to meet any time in the day for 30 minutes, 1 HR or 2 HR sessions.

Was chatting to a manager at Bada Bing, seems the Dominican girls will be in the minority soon as their visa are being tougher to obtain, so expect more Colombians, a lot more there.

Another tidbit (unconfirmed) I heard was that the pool bar above McDonalds in Simpson bay, next to the Indian restaurant and below where the red diamond girls live is a popular hang out for the Eastern European working girls, even rumored platinum girls go there on their night off to have some fun. However I have not been there myself so needs confirming.

[DennisMP]

So I was in a Pelican Key bar last night and there were a few girls working, I thought they were independent ho's but after chatting to them found out they work at Red Diamond 4 nights a week and on their nights off work the bars.

They are very approachable and me and my friend got chatting to them.

They were all Colombian and some of them spoke fluent English. One of them was really beautiful.

The prices quoted were pretty reasonable:

$100 for 1 hour.

$200 for 2 hour.

$500 for all night.

Obviously no club fees and one of the girls had a car so you may not even have to pay for the taxi home.

They mentioned they work Soggy dollar on Tuesday night, so it's another option if you go out around Simpson Bay.

I'm very intrigued what Pelican Key bar was it?

[Scubatoo]

I'll be back in SXM on March 24th, if Defiance is actually going to reopen in a couple weeks I'll probably be the first to report here with what is happening. In the interim anyone got an update on the chicas still at Carolinas? (looking for Johanna, Teresa, Karin, Elizabeth) Its about that time of year many will be leaving and going home. And if anyone else is going to be around while I'm on the island let me know, its always great to meet share a few stories and point each other in the direction to make new one.

Given all the shake up over immigration, it would be great if you could check out Sunset Retreat and Casablanca and let us know what is happening at those bars. Both are heavily DR girls, but I saw the best looking girl in October at Sunset Retreat. She looked eastern European. These clubs are just around the hill from Defiance.

[Scubatoo]

So I was in a Pelican Key bar last night and there were a few girls working, I thought they were independent ho's but after chatting to them found out they work at Red Diamond 4 nights a week and on their nights off work the bars.

They are very approachable and me and my friend got chatting to them.

They were all Colombian and some of them spoke fluent English. One of them was really beautiful.

The prices quoted were pretty reasonable:

$100 for 1 hour.

$200 for 2 hour.

$500 for all night.

Obviously no club fees and one of the girls had a car so you may not even have to pay for the taxi home.

They mentioned they work Soggy dollar on Tuesday night, so it's another option if you go out around Simpson Bay.

This is the kind of intel that is new and very informative. Thanks for sharing it.

[Wendans]

Wow. I'm finally able to post. We have not been to the island for several years now. The last time we went I got my wife to go into the Casa Blanca with me. She ended up having even more fun than I did. Would anyone care to express where they think the best place to go to find any that will go for a 3 some?

Thanks.

[Barkey]

Now that Crystal's seems to be a good spot again, is the "standard" pricing about the same as Carolinas or the old Hypnotiqe. $50/30 minutes $100 HR?

[FunTimeSxm]

So I was in a Pelican Key bar last night and there were a few girls working, I thought they were independent ho's but after chatting to them found out they work at Red Diamond 4 nights a week and on their nights off work the bars.

They are very approachable and me and my friend got chatting to them.

They were all Colombian and some of them spoke fluent English. One of them was really beautiful.

The prices quoted were pretty reasonable:

$100 for 1 hour.

$200 for 2 hour.

$500 for all night.

Obviously no club fees and one of the girls had a car so you may not even have to pay for the taxi home.

They mentioned they work Soggy dollar on Tuesday night, so it's another option if you go out around Simpson Bay.