Bangkok Reports

[Goons]

Thanks at Aviator12, at allover. I had never realized these bars served non alcoholic drinks. In the past it was my favorite way of getting sauced while visiting countries that had girlie bars. I'm not sure how much I'll enjoy myself at these places sober, but I'll certainly give it a try. I enjoy sitting around talking to the girls, not always barfining them. From what I've read BKK with all the foot traffic and tourists, is more of a businesslike approach from the girls who move on to the next customer if they don't sense they will be able to close a deal. Hopefully I'm wrong.

7 Pm is a bit too early to hit gogo bars. Although Crazy House opens early like 7. 30 pm, no point to turn up till at least 8. 30 pm since early girls are not the pretty ones. Best girls may still be arriving at 9. 30 PM and have to get changed before dancing. 8. 30 PM, the bar will still not yet be crowded. So you choose a seat with best view. Doesn't matter if gets more crowded later.

I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. So you need a fall back plan. Sukhumvit Soi 4 has bars open daytime, like Stumble Inn, Morning Night. There will still be a barfine.

Many massage joints are open at 11 AM. You don't have to have a massage at all. LOL I don't. More difficult to find pretty girls though. May have to try several places near to each other..

For the past few weeks I've been doing on and off research, my focus has been mostly on the bars but it seems I may need to put more effort into reading up on the alternatives especially since I'm no longer into drinking and loud music. I guess BKK is the wrong country to expect a nice quiet girlie bar where I can sit with a girl or two and not be interrupted by too many drunks stumbling in and out throughout the night?

As far as freelance outside Nana (where I'm planning to stay my first night out of convenience), and around Soi 4, how do they compare to bargirls in terms of quality of service? I've read through some older posts and it seems there is no reason to expect the majority of them to be a lower quality just because they are not employed in the slightly more glamorous (compared to standing on the street) setting of a bar with flashing lights and loud music.

[Smoothy]

Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.

With a body like that, I don't give a rats ass what her face looks like. Especially her nose.

[Syzygies]

This discussion about alcohol and money reminds me of a young girl I met in Pattaya a few years ago. She was definately not an orange juice drinker. I met her while she was partying with her friends on WS close to Ibar. She was drunk, I was drunk. We had some more drinks and finally went back to my hotel. She was too drunk to fuck (as I was) and passed out. In the morning she did not hurry to leave and to my suprise did not have a bad hangover so she was willing and able to fuck. Nice body, good sized natural tits for a Thai. After the sex I asked her how much money she wanted for the night. She told me she doesn't want any money, she had come from Bangkok to Pattaya just to party and have fun for a few days. And so we did. We played billiards, partied hard and fucked the next 3-4 days. Money after sex was never discussed.

Wow, hot girl. I would not care if the skin was dark or not. Can't see the face but nose looks good.

Nice to only have to pay in kind and a few rounds of drinks. LOL Just shows that in Thailand, it is foolish to plan well ahead and book lots of things. Go with the flow is far better.

[Finnish Fucker]

And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.

The key word is slightly tipsy. Drunk girls are a waste of money.

This discussion about alcohol and money reminds me of a young girl I met in Pattaya a few years ago. She was definately not an orange juice drinker. I met her while she was partying with her friends on WS close to Ibar. She was drunk, I was drunk. We had some more drinks and finally went back to my hotel. She was too drunk to fuck (as I was) and passed out. In the morning she did not hurry to leave and to my suprise did not have a bad hangover so she was willing and able to fuck. Nice body, good sized natural tits for a Thai. After the sex I asked her how much money she wanted for the night. She told me she doesn't want any money, she had come from Bangkok to Pattaya just to party and have fun for a few days. And so we did. We played billiards, partied hard and fucked the next 3-4 days. Money after sex was never discussed. She was quite a heavy drinker (like a Finn) and eager to ring the bell in the bars. I paid of course a couple of rounds. I felt like being 25 YO student again in Finland drinking and fucking hot young girls for free. She just looked a bit darker and more exotic, heh. I was paying of course for her drinks and food as a gentleman should. I did not count how much I paid during those days, I did not care as we had such a good fun. She was happily drunk every night but always able to fuck the next morning and during the day. Great memories.

[Syzygies]

Good advice. And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.

Certainly seen some very prim and proper cautious girls transformed into raunchy sluts by a few drinks. Not guaranteed to work with every girl. However I am always careful not to take girls that have had too many drinks. How many is too many? Just depends on if girl is used to alcohol and how well she is coping with it, and whether drinks are strong or weak, and whether she already drank Yaa Dong herbal alcohol drink supplied to girls by the bar. 3 drinks is enough for a newbie girl not used to it.

The key word is slightly tipsy. Drunk girls are a waste of money.

[Syzygies]

Not interested in Thai girls. More interested in Caucasian girls, so that's what I'm asking.

Its not exactly the right thread for those not interested in Thai girls. I have heard of guys in Bangkok not so interested in Thai girls and going for Russian girls in some clubs. Even some beauties supposedly although I have not seen them. Will be a higher price of course for good ones.

You might want to look in the FKK and Sauna Club threads in Germany, especially for Frankfurt, Cologne, Duesseldorf areas. You can see there are adverts on this page that mentions FKK and Saunaclub. There are American guys and Asian guys that will spend days in these clubs with an international selection of girls but mostly East European, with Romanian the most dominant. Some clubs have a large number of girls all naked. I know one guy with a lot of money, takes an FKK club girl away with him on holidays to Thailand and South America. Far more expensive than doing the local girls here.

Don't you already know about this stuff?

[Smoothy]

For extra shy newbie girls, they may need 2 or 3 tequilas to loosen up, and become much more keen to be fucked. Likely improves their kissing also.

Good advice. And avoid the girls who only want to drink orange juice. They are likely dead fucks. Whenever a girl refuses alcohol, I throw her back and find a different girl. I want my girl at least a bit tipsy when she's in bed.

[Solo Traveler]

Hi,

This may be a strange question, but I would like to know if there is a Thailand equivalent in the West.

A place where mongers / punters can get short-term girlfriends for days, or even weeks, do lots of stuff together without keeping a low profile, all in a laid-back environment.

Brazil seems to be the South American equivalent of Thailand, from what I've heard and seen.

So, how about in Europe, North America, and Oceania?

Not interested in Thai girls. More interested in Caucasian girls, so that's what I'm asking.

[Syzygies]

Yes, and imagine a newbie showing up and instead of having all 2-3 in a row bad experiences in a single day (perhaps due to planned P4 P budgetary limitations) he has them spaced out one each day for the first three days of his vacation! LOL. I would say the pressure and expectations along with a very bad mood by the morning of the 4th day would be rather intense.

After a bad experience, it is wise to move on to an absolutely sure thing, to change the mood. Could be some highly recommended girl in an MP or could be a regular girl. Several gambles in a row is getting to risky. Imagine if took several Soapy girls in a row on the same day, and they were all poor. Could happen easily.

So I never try more than one new girl on same day anymore, and probably not even on consecutive days.

[Syzygies]

I'm an early bird, my usual M. O. Was hit the bars early, between 7 pm to 10 pm to avoid crowds. I know girls are usually less likely to bargain and if they do barfine early, they are in more of a rush to get back and make more money than if they were BF'd later in the night. I guess there is no reason to expect any different in bkk?

In the past I've had success just hanging out in the bars and drinking with girls, getting contacts and making arrangements for the next day. This is partially to avoid the barfine and also because I prefer mid morning and afternoon sessions compared to drunkenly walking into my hotel with a girl late at night. From what I've read, doesn't seem like this is done a lot on BKK but I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.

7 Pm is a bit too early to hit gogo bars. Although Crazy House opens early like 7. 30 pm, no point to turn up till at least 8. 30 pm since early girls are not the pretty ones. Best girls may still be arriving at 9. 30 PM and have to get changed before dancing. 8. 30 PM, the bar will still not yet be crowded. So you choose a seat with best view. Doesn't matter if gets more crowded later.

I love a fuck in the morning myself. However bargirls are unreliable. If you make arrangement for the next day, they likely won't show up, unless very high money offered. So you need a fall back plan. Sukhumvit Soi 4 has bars open daytime, like Stumble Inn, Morning Night. There will still be a barfine.

Many massage joints are open at 11 AM. You don't have to have a massage at all. LOL I don't. More difficult to find pretty girls though. May have to try several places near to each other.

I never drink alcohol before sex (almost never). I may drink afterwards. It's not an issue at all. Bars serve Coke, Coke Light, Zero, Sprite, Orange juice, Pineapple juice, Soda water (known as Soda in Thailand), Tonic (water), plain water, maybe even tomato juice, etc. Soda is best for me, as no sugar, and I drink it slower.

For extra shy newbie girls, they may need 2 or 3 tequilas to loosen up, and become much more keen to be fucked. Likely improves their kissing also.

[EihTooms]

Yes, I have not had such a bad day for a while. In the end was not totally bad. Did a regular girl for a nice 90 minute fuck in between the two bad experiences. The real problem was the extra expense of the bad parts of the day. Wasted money. The wasted time did not matter that much. It is a disincentive to try new things.

It's always great to have known good girls to fall back on, so the day was not a complete write off. Today I can do nothing at all. Maybe watch sport at the pub.

Yes, and imagine a newbie showing up and instead of having all 2-3 in a row bad experiences in a single day (perhaps due to planned P4 P budgetary limitations) he has them spaced out one each day for the first three days of his vacation! LOL. I would say the pressure and expectations along with a very bad mood by the morning of the 4th day would be rather intense.

[Allover]

Guys,

I'm going next month, did some RTFF last month and starting to do more this weekend. Found most of the stuff I've been looking for but a few more things I need to ask.

First, I haven't been to a girlie bar in over two years, first time I'm going sober. I'm not in AA or anything but I'd like to maintain my 18 months without a drink so what are my options at these bars? Will going for a non alcoholic drink scare off the girls, maybe make me seem cheap or less likely to fall for their charms and attempts to secure customer?

I don't drink alcohol either for the most part. I usually order orange juice or club soda. It is never a problem with the girls and I believe many girls prefer to go with a non-drinker. I occasionally order a cheap beer during happy hour. At that time beer is cheaper than water. I'll take a few sips but 95% of my beer goes unfinished.

[Aviator12]

Guys,

I'm going next month, did some RTFF last month and starting to do more this weekend. Found most of the stuff I've been looking for but a few more things I need to ask.

First, I haven't been to a girlie bar in over two years, first time I'm going sober. I'm not in AA or anything but I'd like to maintain my 18 months without a drink so what are my options at these bars? Will going for a non alcoholic drink scare off the girls, maybe make me seem cheap or less likely to fall for their charms and attempts to secure customer?

I'm an early bird, my usual M. O. Was hit the bars early, between 7 pm to 10 pm to avoid crowds. I know girls are usually less likely to bargain and if they do barfine early, they are in more of a rush to get back and make more money than if they were BF'd later in the night. I guess there is no reason to expect any different in bkk?

In the past I've had success just hanging out in the bars and drinking with girls, getting contacts and making arrangements for the next day. This is partially to avoid the barfine and also because I prefer mid morning and afternoon sessions compared to drunkenly walking into my hotel with a girl late at night. From what I've read, doesn't seem like this is done a lot on BKK but I'm hoping I'm wrong about this.

In my experience it does not matter if you drink alcohol or not. The girls will certainly be interested in going with a sober guy. No need to fear the girl will offer a rushed service. This is more related to the attitude of the girl than the time of evening. Good luck!

[Syzygies]

Crazy House (this and all following Gogo's are in Soi Cowboy): This is one of the most popular Gogo's and is always quite crowded. While I admit that they do have some attractive dancers and a good number of them are in their birthday suits, I have never really enjoyed the atmosphere, I find it is more pushy than other places. Maybe one has to be a regular to be treated well. Also the prices quoted for s / t fun was clearly at a large premium (THB 4k! Maybe she was smoking sth very unhealthy?

True price is usually 2500 or 3000 plus barfine, depending on your negotiating skills or on the girl. Some of the more ugly or less popular girls may go for 2000. However unlikely for a very hot girl. Never heard of having to pay 4K ST for even the very best girls ever in there. LT could be available for 4K to 5K, depending on the girl. I can't be sure since it is a long time since I took a LT. Girls are not hassling me that much, even though there are a lot of new girls that don't know me. I am pretty good at ignoring unwanted girls. I don't like to look them in the eye as though to acknowledge them. A girl comes up and puts out her hand to shake mine. I pay no attention. If she tries to sit on my lap, I just don't allow it. No need to be too friendly. I am Farang, so I don't know if girls act more forcefully with timid looking Asian guys. My advice is just don't allow girls to dominate you in any way, and ignore them as best you can. If girl is with you already and keeps pestering for drinks too much, just say no thanks, or tell her to go away in extreme cases. Or just stop talking to her and stop looking at her at all. If refuse to listen or answer, she will get the message. These are extreme cases. I don't have so much problem. Was much worse for me in Long Gun. I knew too many people and did not want to have to rudely tell them all to [CodeWord140] off. However you can't afford to be real friendly with too many people in a bar. If you are nice to anyone, will be hard to get rid of them.

Lighthouse: My favorite place as the last stop for the evening, I. E to have some fun with the girls and then barfine one. The dancing is not really anything to write home about (unless there is a dancer who really wants to leave an impression on you.). They have Coyote's and normal dancers (THB 1,200 and THB 700 BF respectively), I found quite a few of the latter category cuter and more fun. And that impression lasted beyond the bar.

I recently noticed some cute girls outside Lighthouse. Time for a revisit.

Long Gun: Fun Bar, themed shows (E. G. Hawaiian dance) that can be fun and entertaining. Girls are quite pretty and not pushy. Ladydrinks go a longer way (timewise, not necessarily also in terms of action) here and all seem to be in a good mood. Good place to spend some time. Haven't tried BF, but would imagine a good result as well.

I can't go in there any more. Get hassled too much for drinks. Too many staff know me from former times.

If you are back in Nana I recommend try out Twisters, for superior quality girl looks, however not like Baccara girls. Baccara and Sharks are not my style.

Coyotes in Cowboy are largely a waste of time and money and not that special. Coyotes in Nana are very prevalent these days, may well be cheaper, more available for sex, and better compared to Cowboy.

[Farape]

Was fortunate enough to be able to spend a couple of days in Bangkok. In the evenings I visited a good number of Gogo Bars and wanted to share my experiences. During the day I also visited some (more limited) Massage places. Will share those experiences in the massage section of the forum at a later stage.

Billboard (only Gogo I visited at Nana): Good size Gogo with a unique bath / jacuzzi styled "dance-area" on the right when you enter. On the left a Carousel styled dance pod. Quite a large number of attractive dancers, some really get into it (in the bath area, which actually has foam in it; the "carousel-area" is more quiet). For a lady-drink the girls get more engaged (EG lap-grinding) than in some other Gogo's. Good music, pleasant atmosphere.

Crazy House (this and all following Gogo's are in Soi Cowboy): This is one of the most popular Gogo's and is always quite crowded. While I admit that they do have some attractive dancers and a good number of them are in their birthday suits, I have never really enjoyed the atmosphere, I find it is more pushy than other places. Maybe one has to be a regular to be treated well. Also the prices quoted for s / t fun was clearly at a large premium (THB 4k! Maybe she was smoking sth very unhealthy?

Lighthouse: My favorite place as the last stop for the evening, I. E to have some fun with the girls and then barfine one. The dancing is not really anything to write home about (unless there is a dancer who really wants to leave an impression on you.). They have Coyote's and normal dancers (THB 1,200 and THB 700 BF respectively), I found quite a few of the latter category cuter and more fun. And that impression lasted beyond the bar.

Shark: same owner as Lighthouse. Seems to follow the same model, but trying to be slightly more upscale. Downside for me is that the normal dancers are not that hot here and the coyote's (BF seems to be THB 1,500?) , who usually dance upstairs, but come down when less crowded tend to get pricy (also from a Ladydrink point of view). Granted that they really have some stunners.

Baccara: Again one of the more popular Gogo's which has pro's but also some con's for me. Good number of dancers of which quite a few are very attractive, the concept with the see through floor at the second level is great and brilliant views are to be had for those seated in the right area of the first floor. Action at the second floor is fun, but the heavy smoking is really a strong negative as is the pushy nature of some of the dancers. Girls are generally (some exceptions though) very much attracted to the buying power (or shall I say overspending) by Japanese clients and thus at times challenging for older (45+) Westerners.

Long Gun: Fun Bar, themed shows (E. G. Hawaiian dance) that can be fun and entertaining. Girls are quite pretty and not pushy. Ladydrinks go a longer way (timewise, not necessarily also in terms of action) here and all seem to be in a good mood. Good place to spend some time. Haven't tried BF, but would imagine a good result as well.

Raw Hide: Again a fun place with some action happening (all the way to birthday suits). Downside is that they now seem to have a large number of Coyote's (and quite a limited number of normal dancers) who, despite on average looking very good, are less active in providing a good service and instead are looking to maximising their intake. BF for these Coyotes is also steep, though I do not remember the exact amount.

Just a few impressions that might be helpful for some newbies thinking of where to go in the BKK Gogo scene.