German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[Breadman]

+1 Couldn't have said better. I will add that FKK sometimes requires more investment in time. Sitting and waiting in club. Striking up conversations with fellow mongers. The only way around that is to collect the WG's whatsapps and pre-schedule, but generally the protocol is to session her a few times before that.

Walk into a crowded room of possible choices and across the way you see one of the ugliest chicks you've ever laid eyes on with silicone tits ten years past their expiration date (one was sagging heavily, might have been a slight leakage) and you turn to your newfound ISG buddy and say 'boy that girl hit the ugly tree all the way down', he looks and goes right over and takes her to the room. You just don't know peoples tastes and preferences in person, impossible to know what they like on a review board. And you really don't know what kind of twisted shit they like to do in the rooms. I fucked this chick last night that I gave her a '4' rating in terms of looks (not the girl with the sagging silicon tits), facially she just wasn't all that attractive. But in that dark vip room where you couldn't see her face very well but the service and the nice slim young body was all that was needed. Plus she took a pounding. You just never know until you fork over a bill.

[McAdonis]

Personally I use an agency for the most part in Portugal, but they provide translation and booking for the ladies, not management. Most of the locals seem to prefer independents over either the brothels or an agency.

I use freelance and agencies. Freelance offer lower prices because the middleman is cut out. But agencies provide recourse and a formal way to complain. One German freelancer I've used is always too busy to pick up her phone. And she overbooks herself just like the airlines do, because she assume every third customer will no-show. So you show up at the agreed upon time, and then you play this game, where you have to call every 5 minutes until she hopefully picks up. Guess what? It is well documented on boards that she is this unreliable. But she is still in demand despite this!! Because her optics and service are worth the low price she charges, so men are willing to risk losing an entire afternoon or evening.

Give a hard-working young lady a smart phone and an Internet ad on an established board, and once she gets a few reviews, she is making a lot of money without the need for overhead and management at a big brothel. But I guess the same thing doesn't work everywhere.

The same thing does not work everywhere. There are plenty of girls who try to freelance in Germany, but the problem is they have to remain price competitive with the German paysex scene. You mention cities where freelance and small agencies have succeeded but none of those cities have paysex options quite like Frankfurt or NRW (price, quantity, quality, convenience).

Many porn stars stop coming to Germany after one or two tours. There should be no surprise why.

Don't assume that FKK girls are not as clever as the ones who put up ads on the Internet. FKK girls can take advantage of the huge marketplace that FKK creates. In FKK, they will see 500 customers per day. More potential customers means more potential targets that they can size up. They know who the 50 EUR guys are. And they know which customers are looking for love in the brothel (I. E. Who will take them out of the club and spoil them).

[McAdonis]

Images are snippet of time(is it current?), not wholly a reality, but yeah, face has lots of importance, it's gamble.

Also, look at Globe's airbrushed for example, it's far away from reality. Depends on currentsy and how much the image portreys the reality.

They will try to impress with best images. Also, scamming of fake images are possible if not a reputable agency.

Think OP's point was that if everyone reviewed regularly and often, than there would be reports that would warn you that the escort is using photos from a decade ago.

[McAdonis]

FKK clubs require less reports or reviews. There's the WYSIWYG effect plus other guys in the clubs who are open to talk about the girls and their service, there's a kind of community around regulars and even foreigners. You just ask a guy if the girl was good or not, if she kissed or not etc.

All other P6 options are anonymous. You do not see other mongers. So there's a demand to exchange reviews and reports online.

HB.

+1 Couldn't have said better. I will add that FKK sometimes requires more investment in time. Sitting and waiting in club. Striking up conversations with fellow mongers. The only way around that is to collect the WG's whatsapps and pre-schedule, but generally the protocol is to session her a few times before that.

[PussyLiccker]

Can yall link videos or images of examples of typical you seen in parts where European decent communities are around? I assume Sao Paolo is the place.

Like, you checking the towns, is there hot ones in lot of places?

[Hessen Bub]

That's pretty good. My luck wasn't so good. I think this can depend on venues, service discussion with girls, and if you strongly pick on gut instincts or not.

I don't discuss service before going to the room.

HB.

[PussyLiccker]

These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.

I think the scene is for locals with more disposable income and guys that travel there for more than p6 scene. Looking for Latinas in Europe or closer for short trips.

Germany is of course better suited for pure mongers.

I could see Barcelona being more of the place for travel fun/p6 as an option.

Leaving out Terms, how is the general scene in Sao Paolo, Brazil?

Is it similar? More of a night time gig after doing other stuff during the day?

I've heard there is more of European look girls of various background in those parts? Is that pretty significant compared to the terms?

Also, what is the pricing, and what is included in a typical session? Extras (as considered in De) typically provided in the agreed price? Is is more like Bazar, negotiate prices? Is there services provided commonly on a session to be called "standard?" Do you take girls back to the hotel or are rooms provided in the venues at Sao Paolo?

[PussyLiccker]

Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".

Images are snippet of time(is it current?), not wholly a reality, but yeah, face has lots of importance, it's gamble.

Also, look at Globe's airbrushed for example, it's far away from reality. Depends on currentsy and how much the image portreys the reality.

They will try to impress with best images. Also, scamming of fake images are possible if not a reputable agency.

[The Cane]

There's a tiny difference between shopping for a book online at Amazon and having it sent home to read it and booking a hooker online. Most mongers wouldn't want her to be "delivered" to their homes with the wife and kids around. LOL. Or to book a hotel room. The clubs are providing the platform where girls and boys can meet, talk to each other, there's a big choice of girls depending on the size of the club, there's a certain standard to the service and probably most important for the guys is the wysiwyg effect.

HB.

I agree, and I think the difference is more than just a tiny one. I mean, some things just work better and the experience is enhanced with more human interaction versus less. And, I think selecting a female who you want to stick your dick inside of is one of them! Sometimes maybe there is no good alternative to online. Maybe it's all illegal where you're at for example, so you can't go to a club. But anytime you can indeed provide a more open platform for boys and girls to get together and mingle as HB puts it, then I think overall the chances are raised for achieving a better result for everybody involved, tutes and mongers alike.

And, the FKK platform addresses some of the concerns that the opponents of prostitution raise, such as the physical safety of the girls, keeping it off the streets and out of view behind closed doors, and even cleanliness and sanitation at the clubs that are well-maintained. And yet, you have some opponents of the world's oldest profession who will never stop preaching against it because they are at their very core opposed to P4 P in any form or fashion. For these people, FKK clubs or online or on the street, they see no basic difference in the end, and won't be happy until there is no prostitution. Well, good luck with that! Strangers want to fuck each other, and no matter what, they will find a way to do that, including pay for play! That's why it's called the world's oldest profession!

[PussyLiccker]

Only been to a club in Spain once. Had four sessions, all included DFK and BBBJ for the standard pricing.

HB.

That's pretty good. My luck wasn't so good. I think this can depend on venues, service discussion with girls, and if you strongly pick on gut instincts or not. Mine was quite random of different places. What really gets me is Vive I put so much money down was the worst for service. Mainly EEs sessioned there.

I don't go wholly by chemistry at times. My experience don't show any strong correlation of service level to outside room interaction, if that is meant by chemistry. As long as her attitude isn't bad that is.

[Sebastiane]

Interesting discussion. Personally I think that in countries with FKK clubs it is a safer option going to them for all the reasons HB has listed. A visit for me at a FKK club is a whole day out with wellness, food, drink and naked girls all included so it's a great way to spend an entire day, especially in the summer. And I can see the girls in the flesh before I decide to go with them.

I sometimes use escorts too and then the online sites are really helpful. The downside with the online escorts is that most escorts sites have photoshopped pictures and you never know exactly what the girl is going to be until she arrives at your hotel. Having said that I've found you can find some agencies that are very professional and give excellent service (review sites like this one or others are a good place to find them). The advantage of escorts is that, if you're willing to pay, the top end high class escorts have girls who are 10's and provide excellent service. And the cost per hour equals that of top FKK girls if you take into account things like extras. The escort experience is a separate experience to the FKK one and both are great in their own way. Some of the most beautiful girls I've ever been with have been escorts in London and Berlin. The other big advantage escorts have over FKKs is that whereas 90% of all girls in FKKs are Romanians / Eastern European with escort agencies it is possible to have sex with girls from almost any nationality and ethnicity especially in large metropolises like London and Berlin.

I prefer FKKs when I'm in Germany but if I'm in another country then I'll go for escorts (or 'freebies' although I've had a lot of success in recent times using sugar daddy sites too in a number of countries); sometimes in Germany I also like to use escorts if I want a bit of a different luxury experience: I'll book a 5 star hotel and then call a hot girl from one of the escort agencies I trust and book her for a few hours to my fancy hotel for a romantic evening. The downside of this is, of course, the cost but it produces a great experience. I did that in Berlin with a Finnish escort last year and she was one of the most beautiful girls I've fucked in my life- a real 10. I've also done the same with a ballerina using a sugar daddy website where I stayed in a Schloss and invited her over for the weekend- fantastic experience!

However overall I prefer the FKKs for 90% of the time and only use escorts in 'dry' countries although recently I'm getting more and more into sugar daddy dating.

In an FKK I can --and often do- 4 or 5 girls in a single day which would be prohibitively expensive using only escorts. And I love the wellness facilities in a place like Sakura although most FKKs have good wellness facilities. (In a 5 star hotel you can also get excellent spa facilities but for a lot more! I agree with the OP who said that the internet has transformed the prostitution business -FKKs are the sole exception). Also have used Kaufmich / adultwork but it is hit and miss with them.

I think the internet has been a great democratiser for sex workers as it offers women the chance to work safely without pimps etc. If they so choose.

[Hessen Bub]

FKK clubs require less reports or reviews. There's the WYSIWYG effect plus other guys in the clubs who are open to talk about the girls and their service, there's a kind of community around regulars and even foreigners. You just ask a guy if the girl was good or not, if she kissed or not etc.

All other P6 options are anonymous. You do not see other mongers. So there's a demand to exchange reviews and reports online.

HB.

[Mongerer88]

These countries never had anything comparable in scale and efficiency to German FKK. So if a new business model were to take over, it would not happen overnight. I suppose Spain may have big-scale brothels, but as you say the offerings are inconsistent (I. E. Some CBJ, different prices), which suggests me the operators are hand-off, and perhaps that turned off the local populace and pushed them towards a different scene.

Reading reviews and seeing links works well for me even if the face is blurred out. I am more concerned with body. As long as the photos are relatively recent and not over-photoshopped, I can still be 80% confident that I will be happy with the WG once I see her in person. Other guys are more face-oriented, and put a lot more emphasis on "chemistry".

The local german boards will have more reviews on non-FKK. ISG will be 90% FKK-focused.

I don't mean to get off topic, but personally most of my Spain bookings are with independents, so I am not overly knowledgeable about the brothels and clubs other than what I read from other posters (and a few trips myself to big and small brothels there). Personally I use an agency for the most part in Portugal, but they provide translation and booking for the ladies, not management. Most of the locals seem to prefer independents over either the brothels or an agency.

Your use of the word operators is consistent with the point I was trying to make. It seems that in countries where more of the action, so to speak, is online from an advertisement and review perspective, the trend with respect to the quantity of reviews and the reviews noting the most GFE and specialized services have been toward independents and boutique brothels and agencies, not large scale brothel operations. With FKKs, I understand the efficiencies of putting a lot of less prosperous Eastern European women who do not have a lot of access to start-up capital together with the many business travelers and wealthy German locals.

But it seems to me that in most of Europe the efficiencies have gone the other way. Give a hard-working young lady a smart phone and an Internet ad on an established board, and once she gets a few reviews, she is making a lot of money without the need for overhead and management at a big brothel. But I guess the same thing doesn't work everywhere. Just like the post that started this discussion, some of us love online shopping, others prefer the big shopping mall.

[Member #4581]

At the true brothels in those specified countries, the offerings differ from lady to lady. The bad news is that some ladies are CBJ, non-GFE. The good news is that most are BBBJ / GFE and there are few, if any, reports of a foreigner being treated differently than a local. She does what she does with little favoritism for locals or regulars. The only exception is at the very large Barcelona brothels with traditional line-ups, where upsells for CIM and anal often occur and those upsells are high. I am not sure that they upsell foreigners more so than locals, because the local Barcelona review board focuses on the smaller brothels that have little or no upsells.

There is a more significant standardization of service amongst independents and agency girls who have their own profile within an agency website listing her services. Most perform exactly what they offer in their online ads, or they get called out on it in reviews and it hurts business. And relatively more reviews on ISG are of independents in Spain and of independents or specific agency ladies in Lisbon.

I know I am over stereotyping those three distinct markets, but the larger point I was making was that if you look at the ISG threads in most countries of Europe. Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, France, United Kingdom, etc. , you will find a trend toward fewer reports of clubs and line-up brothels, and more reports with links to specific ads where a lady is working as an independent, for an agency, or at a very small brothel and her specific service offerings are listed and the customer needs to make an appointment to see her either outcall, at a shared trick pad, at her apartment, or at the small brothel. Those are things made available to a foreigner as a result of technology and efficiency that did not exist that long ago. It has changed the scene in those places and in my unsupportable way of thinking, has likely brought some talent into the business that would not have existed if those ladies had to work long hours at a line-up style brothel.

I found it interesting that those same changes do not seem to occur in Germany, at least at the same pace. When I go to an a FKK website, I barely see a girl, let alone details about each lady. But the customers seem quite happy with the system, so that is what counts. At the end of the day, we are all getting the same thing. I guess we are really discussing the delivery mechanism. Some guys enjoy going to the bookstore and browsing. Other guys prefer to buy the book (and see what others thought of the book) while on Amazon. Eventually they both read the book, and in this scenario, have sex with the girl.

Very well articulated. Thank you.

Traveling to European cities, I face several challenges when using sites to pick girls. First, google would show several sites and unless I am a frequent user already, I don't know which site is reliable. There are dozens of girls obviously, but many are likely photoshopped. The reviews sometimes get translated well on my iPad, sometimes not. Have no idea which review is biased and not, who wrote it, and if the reviewer has an axe to grind. You have to call the girl, make an appointment, figure out how to get to her place, and then do the deed. All of this is a mood killing process.

In a large club like Sharks, even to an occasional visitor like me, several girls' faces are already familiar. Over time, I know what to expect; things don't change all that much. There is enough turnover to make sure the lineup is not stale and to keep me interested, at the same time there are enough regulars to provide safe sessions.

If I am interested in just a single session per day or one to two sessions in a week, picking a girl off the catalog or website would work just fine. That used to be my consumption pattern prior to my FKK discovery. FKKs have changed that model. For one, consumption volumes have increased massively. Where I used to partake a session or two, now it is 15 or more per trip. Someone like YAmaYama takes nearly 30-40 sessions in a 10 day trip, per his reports. I think it is very difficult to consume that many sessions in as many days if I had to do this in a setting outside FKK. For cost, logistics, and feasibility reasons.

[Hessen Bub]

Only been to a club in Spain once. Had four sessions, all included DFK and BBBJ for the standard pricing.

HB.