Kyiv

[BigthDikth]

Have not been in a while but thinking about a trip. Here are some sites with phone numbers. I know the photos are not real and the girls that show up are less than the photos, but how much less? And is 300 500 etc. Hryvnia the real price? It's not that much.

Maybe someone in Kiev should try some of these out and see how real they are.

http://sexkiev.net/7-1/page-2

https://intimgirls.net/girls/cheap

http://relaxportal.biz/deshevye-prostitutki/

[Vitrea]

I presume extras are not included in the price. As I have been in about 10 of these private flats, I can confirm that you don't get a BBBJ included in the price. If the girl does it, you have to pay an extra, that is always expensive, usually 30-50% more of the first price. It also depends on the girls. So 1800 + 30 % = 2400 UAH = not far from 100 $. Half of the amount will go to the mafia, half to the girl.

Well said and reflects my experience also. Luckily for me, BBBJ is not as important. I only do BBBJ with girls I know and low risk. For me that is Colombia.

Having said that, kissing is very important for me. I won't take a girl unless she kisses and I don't mind paying extra for kissing. Paying extra is better for me because I know she is not kissing every guy she fucks as most won't pay 500 for kissing. While I am happy to. Also, if the girl is young and beautiful, I like DATY also. That is also extra which I discuss or negotiate ahead of time. I minimize negotiations ahead of time. I just stick to basics otherwise it kills the mood for me. Whatever floats ones boat and no judgements here.

Please don't post any negative replies to my posts about money. I am willing to share more names and details. Lets keep it positive and discuss what is good and currently working in Kiev and leave out what used to be good and is not so good now.

[Volpone]

I have mongered at more destinations than most people on this thread and I can tell you that service level has been fantastic from 80% of Apartment girls. We had more than 10 so far and only three were bad with cold fish attitude. You let the guide know that in first 10 minutes a replacement showed up in 30 minutes without extra charge for girl or taxi. It was as simple as that. Average good apartment girl is 1800. Range is 1500 to 2600. One girl, Margarita asked for 3500 and she is a 10.

I presume extras are not included in the price. As I have been in about 10 of these private flats, I can confirm that you don't get a BBBJ included in the price. If the girl does it, you have to pay an extra, that is always expensive, usually 30-50% more of the first price. It also depends on the girls. So 1800 + 30 % = 2400 UAH = not far from 100 $. Half of the amount will go to the mafia, half to the girl.

The great thing in Kiev was that the Non-pros from Mamba could get the whole amount, nothing went to the mafia. That was the real challenge in Kiev, just to help a non pros, a single mother, a student, that need some money and so she could get the whole amount. I use the past, because it's hard to get a Non-pros on Mamba now, that way of helping girls has nearly disappeared.

[Vitrea]

Best and most popular place to pick up hot girls and models nowadays is CHI by Decadence but be ready to pay at least 200 $.

Thank you the reminder. We are waiting for the start of the weekend. We will hit Chi today.

BTW, a good guide will help you with other things.

He arranged our day trips. Arranged taxis. Helped with groceries, money change, Went and drove a soviet tank, Shot machine guns at a range. We can't do this without a guide. I wish every city I do short term mongering had a guide like this.

I am not pushing a guide by no means. Most of you may not need. I am telling to what worked for me. I have Zero Russian and no past local contacts and I don't have luxury of time. I want to do three sessions a day and also want do day time activities.

I have not posted about a cool daytime activity we are doing. I will post if all goes well. Ha ha.

[Vitrea]

I personally don't like to visit apartments in Kiev because no matter how hot is the girl service always shitty. But if anyone would like to give a shot just walk on Khreshatik street near Arena and random guys will approach you with invitation to check the apartments or simply will hand you the business cards. You can also ask the taxi drivers most of them know many apartments because they get commissions from them also.

I agree that this is true for most but it all depends on the guide. We are having the time of our lives. Our guide is just phenomenal. This is still low season, the selections are fewer but the quality is there.

I have mongered at more destinations than most people on this thread and I can tell you that service level has been fantastic from 80% of Apartment girls. We had more than 10 so far and only three were bad with cold fish attitude. You let the guide know that in first 10 minutes a replacement showed up in 30 minutes without extra charge for girl or taxi. It was as simple as that. Average good apartment girl is 1800. Range is 1500 to 2600. One girl, Margarita asked for 3500 and she is a 10.

Bottom line is that we are three friends in our early 40's and we have never fucked this many stunners in 3 days, Including FKKs. (I have not been to Globe).

[DreamHoliday]

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[Samcik]

I personally don't like to visit apartments in Kiev because no matter how hot is the girl service always shitty. But if anyone would like to give a shot just walk on Khreshatik street near Arena and random guys will approach you with invitation to check the apartments or simply will hand you the business cards. You can also ask the taxi drivers most of them know many apartments because they get commissions from them also. My only advice just be careful and don't get robbed. Best and most popular place to pick up hot girls and models nowadays is CHI by Decadence but be ready to pay at least 200 $.

[OldMcDonald]

Hi Vitrea, good review.

Can I ask where you found the guide? Any contacts you can share? Thanks.

I'll be in Ukraine on Saturday, will you still be around?

First day:

As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.

The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.

The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.

A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability...

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[Chris Rob]

In my personal experience if you have a money and don't mind spending it, best place for mongering is Russia. Russian girls are more open minded and less drama compare to Ukrainian girls.

Hello!

I've been to Russia, in Saint Petersburg, and I've been to clubs there with Russian girls that have shown me they are a lot friendlier and open minded than the Ukrainian or the Bulgarian. It seems interesting that they have that mentality when we have the idea that Russia is a close minded country but Russian girls always surprise me and, as you say, if you have money they are the best option.

[Vitrea]

First day:

As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.

The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.

The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.

A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability.

So, most apartments, you can have a session there or they come to your apartment for extra taxi money of 100 Grivna each way. If you choose two girls from the same apartment, the price for taxi is shared. A fair system. All prices are set and do not try to negotiate and look like a fool. The only thing you may be able to negotiate a bit is extras. More on extras later but for me kissing is important and for some girls, especially if they are in relationship of some sort, it is is hard for them and not about the money. With my mongering style, I focus on how much fun I had with a girl and not how low I negotiated it down. I stop it if it stops being fun. It is personal and situational.

Also, rare but different girls may have different prices in the same apartment. Don't ask why. Go with the flow.

After you pick a girl, you tell them when and where to come. They shower and get dolled up and come on time. You better give them the exact time you are going to be ready. It is not like latin America, where I always tell them 30 minutes before I need them. Haha.

Some places will ask for 500 deposit but if you go with a guide, they generally don't worry about it. You pay when you arrive. They usually come in a private car and when they do the driver collects and leaves. So that means you pay them even before they get out of the car. First time, I found that weird but since I have done it so many times, and no I know that there have never been any issues, I don't mind. If you use a guide, you can relax in the sofa when the guide pays and brings her up.

90% of apartment girls dress very elegantly. In Kiev, hookers don't look like "hookers". In many parts of the world, cheap hookers dress the part, even when they show up Bellagio. In Europe, that is rare, except in red light areas. Anyway, I digress.

Line up: Never saw one below a six. Typical is 7's few 8's and an occasional 9.

First stop had one girl working. Guide said, she is hot so we went. Turns out I know her from before but a friend wanted to see her. Alexandra. She was amazing last year, Ok face, stunner body and had a bit of an attitude. Now, she has same stunner body, face a little cuter but much worse attitude. 2700 for one hour plus taxi. I had to talk my friend out of taking her and we went to another place. Taxi was waiting.

The other place is more upscale. Had 7 girls and three are doable. Two 8's and a 9.

Emma: 5' 9", spoke english and is the leader of the pack due to her english.

Samantha: 5' 11". Beautiful, a solid 9. Little english but friendly enough to deal with google translate.

We needed a third so we told Emma and Samantha to be at our apartment 45 minutes from then and went looking for company for my third friend.

Next place had 8 girls but we only needed one. Dasha is beautiful. I 9 for sure but she had three more inches, she would be a 10.

All three showed up on time, looking beautiful. Once the guide knew everting is all set, he took off. We hung out in the living room, had some drinks, music, google translate and the routine before retiring to our rooms.

Emma is a huge hit for me: A solid 8 in face, 9 or better in body, and a 10 in bed. Wow.

My friend was super happy with Samantha. She is a 10. He liked her performance but I was not with her. We are seeing them again two days later.

Dasha: She is a spinner stunner with rose gold curly hair, super cute face too but a bit cold and inexperienced. When we first saw her, All of us wanted to take turns calling for her in the future but I don't think so. In her defense, she had a cold and said she is not feeling 100% but my friend still wanted to see her. May be she would have been better another day but I doubt it. There are too many good friendly ones to take chances.

Dinner at a nice local restaurant followed by Buddha bar and Rio and we ended the night with a three hour party at our apartment. More on that later.

[Vitrea]

I want to write a detailed report. I am writing this as a sucure place holder.

We rented a private apartment 3 BR /2 B. Very nice off of Lesi Ukrainiaki.

Our guide met us minutes after arrival and party started.

We went to apartments, Buddha Nar, Rio and pulled girls from there.

6 sessions for 3 guys. 2 9's and 4 solids eights. Super friendly and honest. Classy and civilized bunch.

[Vitrea]

Could you explain your thought in more detail? I did not quite understand your idea. Unfortunately I have never been in Latin America and probably tend to idealize Colombia. You want to say that Colombian girls maybe are actually not so very beautiful and not as very accessible as some guys like me can think? Or that? My idea of Colombia is somewhat idealized?

Your imagination is all true and accurate. Personally, My best blowjobs are from Colombia. Paisas specifically. Most are BBBJ. You don't have to beg or bribe for it.

What I am saying is that just the optics of a model material with natural golden silky hair going down on you is worth in itself.

[Jonathan Pine]

The average wage in Russia is more than double that of Ukraine. It's several times higher if we are talking about Moscow. Ukraine is Russia without oil and gas. Do you guys think Russia would be this rich without oil and gas? In addition, Ukraine is even more corrupt than Russia. Lots of girls from Ukraine are working in Russia now.

[DramaFree11]

I agree 100%. Also, the girls are more hones and hard working. Both of the qualities are lacking in Kiev at the moment.

I agree the city is cool, but the nightlife is just not very good now. Friday is decent, but it goes downhill quickly.

[Tomek123]

Good post. I am a Colombia pro and that is I exactly why I am loving Kiev. When these beauties do suck your dick, it is an amazing feeling. How many of us had a model material suck their dick? I had two of them do it on the last 12 hours. I landed 15 hours ago.

Amazing destination, if you don't mind spending.

Could you explain your thought in more detail? I did not quite understand your idea. Unfortunately I have never been in Latin America and probably tend to idealize Colombia. You want to say that Colombian girls maybe are actually not so very beautiful and not as very accessible as some guys like me can think? Or that? My idea of Colombia is somewhat idealized?