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[PussyLiccker]

What type of ID card is he referring to?

[Craiova]

I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.

The prohibition of under 21 yo was two years ago in the draft of the new law but it isn't in the final version, so no change on this. Girls must be at least 18 yo for this job.

[Member #4585]

I get the impression that when we talk about the new legislation, we are only discussing BBBJ.

I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.

These two measures can reduce some numbers of girls.

Yes. This has been discussed before as well.

My sample of girls asking what are their plans given the new rules have given responses that they have little other choices so will continue to work in FKKs. Others consider working in other countries (but other senior members here cannot believe that is possible given the barriers to entry).

Regarding BBBJ question the answer has been I do not know which usually means that they will stop doing it.

Pricing will be an issue for BBBJ to be continued.

As you may know some of the FKK girls read this forum rather than German forum since their English is better. These girls get many ideas from what is written here on ISG. Once again there are senior members who do not believe this.

[Mr Ho]

Let's all go to clubs without spending a penny on the girls, just there to eat, drink, use sauna, take a nap on the loungers, watch the naked or bikini girls for free.

I call it the abstinence training in brothels.

Must be fun.

Will try next time. LOL.

Well going across the mountain into Zurich or Austria can be good option.

I am doing research on gt Vienna and I hear line up is good there.

Also many girls do not want to register as prostitute so they also maybe shift their locations of tuting.

Plus, due to this, FKK in Austria may blossom.

[Carpe Viam]

I get the impression that when we talk about the new legislation, we are only discussing BBBJ.

I heard that the new law also prevents the prohibition of under 21 years and the requirement of an ID card clearly mentioned a prostitute as a profession.

These two measures can reduce some numbers of girls.

[Solo Traveler]

But definitely mongering in FKK will be harder and more stressful and probably won't be worth it any longer.

Let's all go to clubs without spending a penny on the girls, just there to eat, drink, use sauna, take a nap on the loungers, watch the naked or bikini girls for free.

I call it the abstinence training in brothels.

Must be fun.

Will try next time. LOL.

[MrManGuy]

It is very well said from another thread about mandated service bundled by FKK clubs. It maybe time to move on or suffer by annoying negotiation. It probably better to move to other nation with FKK with BBBJ after July.

You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.

I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.

I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess up to getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and BBBJ could end up in the same way.

I think that what could ahve changed is that westerners are not as rich as they used to be as west and east start to become more equal economically. Generally, where there is a lot of money to be made, BBBJ will be standard, regardless of any silly laws or the country. You can go to Thailand, where prostitution isn't even legal and get a BBBJ / CIM in a cafe.

The exception to this will depend on how well the German authorities can regulate it, but I'm not sure a country exists where BBBJ is not provided. For the right price. Let us go to imagination land, where the USA is in the same situation as Romania. If you had a bunch of WGs from the USA and say there was some really rich country and the foreign men went to the USA and started offering $1000 for 30 minutes, but they expected a BBBJ and the girls know, if they don't provide the BBBJ, that $1000 is good elsewhere, be that another country another club or another customer so the men will leave and they won't get the $1000 and the girls know they can get 10 customers a night, an extra $1000 for CIM, and extra $2000 for anal, so for 1 hours work they can easily clear ($2000 + $2000 + $1000 = $5000) tax free. What you think will happen? Will the girls knock back $5000 an hour over a silly BBBJ law? Of course, if the price was only $70 US per half hour, probably they will follow the law.

So my guess is one of 3 things will happen;.

1) Girls stop providing BBBJ, because they can no longer to told they have to do it.

2) Girls continue to provide BBBJ because they get paid a lot and don't want to lose business.

3) Girls want to provide BBBJ but the German authorities police it and prevent it.

But definitely mongering in FKK will be harder and more stressful and probably won't be worth it any longer.

[Mr Ho]

It is very well said from another thread about mandated service bundled by FKK clubs. It maybe time to move on or suffer by annoying negotiation. It probably better to move to other nation with FKK with BBBJ after July.

You can't underestimate the impact of a mandated bundled service. We never hear about any girl sharking even foreign newbies about charging extras for BBBJ or refusing to provide it for reasons of not liking BBBJ etc. Why is that? Because any man can take her to the front desk if such a thing happens. In clubs in other countries where BBBJ is not bundled into the package and mandated by the management, it's all over the place: some girls provide, some charge $x and others charge $z, yadda yadda.

I hear the old timers that BBBJ was a standard component, every girl provided, and so on. But the genie is out of the bottle, and those days are long gone; ain't coming back. Now, some girls do and some don't. More often, they don't. If you are a regular and they think you will stay a regular, they might. In smaller clubs, more do. Yes, we know all these variants. But it still remains that not every girl is, and that's the crux of it.

I strongly suspect BBBJ market would have evolved the same as DFK in the last few years if it was left to the girls. It stayed the way it did in German clubs because clubs kept it as part of the basic package. Now, in a few weeks, that too is gone. And we will have this same lousy discussion all over again endlessly, except it will be "Lisa provided BBBJ but Maggie doesn't, Mary does but for an extra tenner" and so on. In fact, I wonder how many men will even fess up to getting it if the cops and prosecutors begin a real crackdown with hefty fines etc. Right now, guys keep lists of girls who provide AO and other forbidden services a secret or between close friends (I think; have no personal idea about this), and BBBJ could end up in the same way.

[Solo Traveler]

The blow job robots don't look so tempting. You can imagine how fake her face touch like.

I would expect more about Doggy Style robots. But I doubt there are materials that can make the ass touch like a real one.

[Pistons]

Well, we are not there yet, but once we get a robot that moves like this, then you can sign me up!

https://youtu.be/FphGQqDue8s

[Optimist]

Ok then, I'm starting a campaign to ban vibrators for women.

That's the killer argument against opponents of sexbots. If we use the feminist terms, then we can say vibrators reduce men to nothing but a dehumanised penis. Sexbots at least attempt to replicate some kind of broader female attributes and aren't just a synthetic vagina, and could even be used in relationship training for men: that should please the lunatic fringe feminists.

[Neurosynth]

For those who are worried about the new law:

http://www.craveonline.com/mandatory...rfect-blow-job

Side note.

What marketing genius decided having a male voice-over was the right choice?

[UltraHappy]

Ok then, I'm starting a campaign to ban vibrators for women.

[Mr Ho]

Imagine swingers' clubs full of men accompanied by their own personal sexbot. Some men very proud because they have a veeeery expensive sexbot. Other men not feeling so great because their sexbot only cost 5000 dollars instead of 8 or 12 thousand. Some sexbots wearing expensive jewelry. One man attracting all gazes because he's got the latest most expensive sexbot that is a replica of Jenna Jameson or Sophie Moon or Veronica zemanova when she was young. Imagine the swapping, the no-holds-barred orgy !

Now that's a future after my own heart!

P.S. Sexbots will not be banned if nude female models can get rich selling the copyrights to their bodies to the sexbot industry.

I prefer organic human sexbot that are already in FKK from various nations that you can change as you choose and you can do what you want based on how much you pay 50 euro per 30 minutes, no maintenance needed for those human organic sexbot.

However, one day upon their retirement, they will marry the man who will maintenance them for rest of their organic life, which will cost them much more than 50 euro or few hundred euros that cost us professional mongers LOL.

We already got good deal on these organic human sexbot in FKK with no maintenance needed.

[XXL]

Imagine swingers' clubs full of men accompanied by their own personal sexbot. Some men very proud because they have a veeeery expensive sexbot. Other men not feeling so great because their sexbot only cost 5000 dollars instead of 8 or 12 thousand. Some sexbots wearing expensive jewelry. One man attracting all gazes because he's got the latest most expensive sexbot that is a replica of Jenna Jameson or Sophie Moon or Veronica zemanova when she was young. Imagine the swapping, the no-holds-barred orgy !

Now that's a future after my own heart!

P.S. Sexbots will not be banned if nude female models can get rich selling the copyrights to their bodies to the sexbot industry.