Kyiv

[NorthK]

Hello all,

First-timer to this forum, or actually I did read some threads here without signing up during my visit to South-east Asia, but didn't put any of it into action.

Did a trip to Riga earlier this year, and forgot to check this forum. Got tricked by a online ad, the woman changed her photos and I saw it was the same woman so I stupidly believed that it was safe. It was her in the photos all right, but old photos. My guess 7-8 years ago, but I was too new in this game to send her away. Sex wasn't good either, but luckily I can look back at it now and laugh about it as a weird experience.

Kiev up next! First time in Kiev so I will do a lot of tourist activities, but I do want to spice it up with some more action too.

Can't say I have read the whole thread, but enough to get several people's opinions about Rio, Gia and more. Have gotten Andrei's number.

Please, feel free to PM me with any contacts you are willing to share and I will be very grateful. I don't speak either Ukrainian not Russian so good preparation is a must for me.

Thanks all, and I will a write a report from my trip when I return home.

[LuisVega11]

Odessa in early to mid September.

As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.

And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?

Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.

The post would be interesting with some photos. 9 and 10 that cost 2000 gryvna in Kiev not exist or at least my 9 and 10. It could be nice see some image.

[Gopnik]

Odessa in early to mid September.

As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.

And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?

Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.

University in Ukraine begins on September the 1st. Most students arrive in late August, at least they do in Kyiv.

[Vitrea]

Odessa in early to mid September.

As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.

And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?

Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.

[Vitrea]

Nice to see some counter arguments favoring Gia. Though my expreience was bad, it does not mean that it is always like that and others may like it for other reasons.

I did call in afternoon. I asked and they did not offer any discounts. As a matter of fact, I told them to tell me who is avaible and I will choose one from them. I do that with escort agnencies in hopes that it reduces bait and switch. That was not to be the case. They asked for full price and sent a 6 who looked nothing like the photographs. I sincelry hope others have better luck.

[Jandeargh]

I've been looking through this post for a few weeks and it seems that few people have talked about sponsorship in detail. I know it's possible to find such girls on mamba, but how? I've checked many mamba profiles and none of them says "looking for sponsors". Or can I just write to random girls and ask if they need sponsors? This seems ineffective and rude. Could you guys tell me something about the detailed procedures? And can I find such girls elsewhere other than Mamba?

Cheers.

In advanced search there is an option under sexual preferences. If you check "looking for sponsor" you can filter them out. This option is not visible in mobile webpage, it's visible in desktop version.

[Gopnik]

I can't remember how exactly I met her but it was somewhere on the internet. I added her to my VK and we started talking. She is just 19,5'6, brown hair and a perfect body with large breasts for a slim girl. Her name is Sofia and she is originally from a village. Sofia told me she is studying something somewhere here in Kyiv and works for some internet company who asks her to sit in her underwear in front of a webcam and chat with men from all over.

I've been living in Kyiv on and off for 3 years and I recently became single and decided to have some fun. I'm in my early 40's but look 10-years younger most of the time. I asked Sofia if she wanted a sponsor and she said she did. I offered her 1,500 UAH for two hours together and she agreed. It wasn't the first time I've sponsored a teenage university student. I met her at my metro station near the center. We walked and talked for a bit and finally arrived at my flat both in a good mood. She was wearing a tight, grey dress that showed her curves with white sneakers. After a glass of Jameson each we started making out and spent a please two hours together. She was pretty shy at first but after giving each other oral sex she loosened up and I had my way with her. After laying together and chatting for some time she unexpectedly began playing with my manhood and it sprung back to life. To be honest, I am a one and done kind of guy, but she worked her magic and I bend her over and gave to her again, reaching under and squeezing those immaculate teen tits. Afterwards I walked her to the metro station and we kissed goodbye. I squeezed her tight ass, promising to meet again this weekend.

Later that evening I walked over to a Silpo near my flat to get some groceries. There is another university student working there who stocks alcohol shelves and also helps if you have any questions, which is how I've befriended her. Her name is Ira and she is 21, studies at the nearby economic university and can speak a little English. She is pleasant and while she isn't as pretty as Sofia, her body is just as amazing, thought differently proportioned. I always see her in tight pants and she walks wonderfully with her little ass cheeks bulging in rotation in her jeans as she steps. Interestingly she had a slight camel toe rocking in her faded, tight pants tonight. She chided me for the length of time between my visits to her there. Anyway, I've added her to my VK recently and will soon see if she is girlfriend or sponsorship material. Regardless, I want to get her naked in my flat soon. Stay tuned!

[George 6969]

I had been to Kiev and the Ukraine very often, starting from the old River Palace times, followed by Avalon. Both closed now. On my recent trips I was going home alone too often. Shooters is a hit and miss, Skybar empty at least when I had been there and Buddha Bar had been good for a civilized drink, but not for uncivilized hobbies. Even 3 years ago, you would find some gems in the bar area, but now nobody.

I disklike Escort Services, because I want to see the lady upfront. Where can I go now? Please give me a tip, because I have to go to Kiev next week. I run through the posts of the last 6 months, but could not find a solution.

I am looking for a nice bar / disco / nightclub like Nightlight in Moscow or River Palace or 111 in the old times. Or are they all history and I have to live with my memories.

[AntonySun1996]

I've been looking through this post for a few weeks and it seems that few people have talked about sponsorship in detail. I know it's possible to find such girls on mamba, but how? I've checked many mamba profiles and none of them says "looking for sponsors". Or can I just write to random girls and ask if they need sponsors? This seems ineffective and rude. Could you guys tell me something about the detailed procedures? And can I find such girls elsewhere other than Mamba?

Cheers.

[Tomek123]

LOL. Totally agree.

I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.

I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.

And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.

As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.

So I have absolutely no idea where all the negativity is coming from with all the posts as of late. Ukraine is a thousand times better than here in the US. Where you have to pay 2 to 3 times as much to get a 6 or a 7 and ridiculous amounts to even think about anything higher than a 7.

Yes. Totally agree. I am not an expert in the situation in the US (sex market). But I think that you objectively like an American evaluate the advantages of Ukraine. Despite all the shortcomings of Ukraine, it's still a good country for sex adventures. Such as Marina (in photos). This is not a tall girl 8-10 with long legs, yes, But where else can I hard and brutally fuck a white girl 25 years in anal for $ 25? I do not think that in Europe there are such countries.

The next 10-15 years ukraine will be in the process of transformation and crisis and war with russia and therefore poverty will be and unemployment also. So damn these 10 years you need to use to fuck these Ukrainian chickens. Someday Ukraine will become such a boring country like Poland or Slovakia and our hard animal cheap sex will end. The psychology and mentality of Ukrainian girls will also change. Now for example, I sometimes can in the cafe pat the inner side of the girl's thigh. (my new friend Tania, 19 y). And then my fingers touched her panties between her legs. It was our second date at the cafe. The first time I met her on the Sumskaya street near the central park in Kharkov. We just met but she ran about her business and just left me her number. The next day I was already stroking her leg gently from the inside and touching her panties. And she was a good firm 8/10.

However, in addition to the financial gift, she ate several expensive dishes in the cafe, but unfortunately this is the property of Ukrainian chickens-they are often hungry and like to eat at the expense of men. This is a national trait. But I took,revenge, on her by the fact that during sex I grabbed her head and finished it in her mouth. Maybe it was brutal on my part but she submitted to me. And I filled her mouth with sperm. I showed her that I was a male) There was no scandal and everything was fine. This mentality can also in the future change and become more feminist as in the West.

But now I'm using this historic moment for a good fucking.

[JonasWRay]

Totally agree with you.

My first and only experience from GIA was phenomenal. Picked a one of the girls that had a running special and she was exactly like her pictures. Cost me only $100 for an hour (Outcall to my hotel so I think it was an extra $10 or so for a taxi) and I got the whole alphabet aside from Greek. Maybe I got lucky who knows but all I can say is that if it worked once especially for the first time then that, in my book, is a good thing.

Sadly though, she's not on their page anymore.

The whole experience trumps what I am used to in the US for a fraction of the cost. Hell, a girl of her caliber in the States would be at least $400-$500 in most major cities aside from the ones in Texas.

If I could live in Ukraine I would.

Not trying to sound like I'm some sort of stud but out of the two times I was there I had so many dates set up with non working girls I had to turn some down. Here in the States I can't score a date for the life of me.

So yeah, despite all the haters of Ukraine talking about e good ole days long gone, it is still significantly easier to score super hot action whether you're paying for it or not.

Just my two sense.

I'll be back for sure.

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

[Tomek123]

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

Yes. I agree that Gia is much better than Rio. My Polish income does not allow me to constantly use the services of Gia. But I use my knowledge of Russian and my accent is very moderate-Many Ukrainians speak Russian with an accent or guys from the Caucasus-Georgia or Armenia. I recently fucked Polina for 4 000+CIM (hryvnia) per hour-this 160 USD. But if you are a guy who is clearly from the rich Western countries and does not speak absolutely in Russian then you can use only the English version and you will pay more-200 USD.

I say confidently that today Gia is the best agency in Eastern Europe. This quality and control. It's expensive, but in any case in the West it would be several times more expensive. Even in Poland. Secondly, I never had much trouble with the girls from Gia. They value their work and reputation.

For example, I really liked my experience with Polina. Not every girl in Rio will allow a man such a brutal hard sex. Rio is big money and big arrogance and in general Rio is the result of bad business. I do not understand how these guys from Rio can not in such a cheap, beautiful country create an excellent business? In Ukraine the most beautiful and cheap girls in Europe and in general the cheapest girls among the white nations! Why these guys can not create a normal business? I can understand if you have few beautiful women and they are very arrogant. If you have a country where most women are ugly and beautiful girls have huge ambitions. It's hard. I agree. But in Ukraine there is a huge amount of female material for choice and social standards are very low! This is bad business and very bad organization and bad management I think. So I do not like Rio.

But these girls from Rio do not really respect customers. For example, in Gia Marianna (girl) or Polina, they are submissive diligent girls who respect a man and want to please him in bed. Polina is very sweet and intelligent in communication, without arrogance and rudeness.

http://gia.la/girl/polina12

She does not have the option, "slave," but I allowed myself an extremely tough brutal sex. She did not show me that she did not like it. I could take her by the hair and slap her ass. I fucked her like a wild animal and she behaved very well. She has a child and cherishes her work. That I like her work and understanding of my brutal desires. She did everything with an understanding of my lustful fantasies. I sat down and began [CodeWord125] her in the mouth very deeply and rigidly-no problems. All for the client. I want to call her the dirtiest rough words like Pierre Woodman?-OK. No problems. All for the client.

I believe that this is correct. Then the agency finds good staff for the work. A good casting. She is one of the best in Blowjob and CIM in GIa.

I fed her with my sperm very abundantly and it was fucking cool. Anal I also liked. Maybe she was a little hurt but she was very patient and submissive.

Also I had a good and hard anal experience with a young Yulia. Very good CIM. I deliberately did not masturbate for several days before the meeting to get a powerful sperm fountain and excellent CIM. I paid for CIM 1000 hryvnia. It not a little but I was satisfied with. Nice service. The agency also often discounts. For example I fucked Rita three times for 3500. Now she also costs 3500.

For me, Gia is expensive, but if there is no free time for street work and clubs then GIA is a good choice. And GIA always dismisses girls if they are rude to the client. There rigid conditions of the contract.

[UrbanCowboy22]

Rio is still a decent option if you like strip clubs, you obviously see the girls beforehand, can speak with them, get a dance if you like, all with the possibility of take out. However I was slightly disappointed in the quality of girls on my last visit. Two years ago, in the summer, I found a petite brunette spinner by the name of Maya. Stunning face, gorgeous hair & a petite shapely body that only a teenager could possibly have. She had just turned 18, two months earlier & had been working at Rio for only one week. After a couple of private dances, I invited her back to my hotel, paid the $300. Upon arrival at my room, opened a bottle of champagne & put on some music. We started making out, (often depends on the girl, some girls won't kiss) removed her dress & panties & she was literally dripping wet. After a quick shower, we returned to the bed where unfortunately she didn't want to give a blowjob even with a cover but she proceeded to ride my cock almost nonstop for the next hour. We fucked in all kinds of positions, picked her up, put her on the desk then back to the bed, then to the counter in the bathroom. After an hour, we took a break to catch our breath, she spoke very little english so we communicated by google translator. I excused myself to the bathroom & decided to pop a Viagra pill just to gain some more stamina & get ready for another session. After about 30 minutes we fucked again. She stayed a little over 3 hours & actually left a little before 5 am. I am assuming the girls return to the club to collect their $ before going home. Unfortunately Maya is long gone. I returned to Rio in search of her but she has moved on. Not sure if any of you veterans on this board got to meet Maya but she was quite the firecracker! My experiences with Gia are rather limited but I have found the girls to look a bit older than their photos.

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to prostitution. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of one Rio girl. I'm not a fan of Gia, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

[Riina]

Now that I have been and tried both, hands down it is Rio. I would not call Gia.

Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.

Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.

Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.

[Vitrea]

Don't worry. They won't care. You should have no issues. In fact, the door man will think you are a stud.

Another good thing about Kiev is that working girls, don't dress sleazy like in some parts of the world. They dress very nicely. As a girl next door going out to eat. And which to me is a huge plus and frankly a turn on.

So I am arriving in Kiev this week and I realized the apartment I rented has a 24 hour attendant on staff at the front door. This is not a hotel, but an apartment building. This may be awkward bringing new girls in and out day after day. Anyone else see this as a problem, or could they give a shit less? Again, this is an apartment building, not a hotel. And hopefully they have a back entrance or something to the effect.