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06-14-17 19:18 #11036
Posts: 4343Mongerer88, video I mentioned. For fun
https://youtu.be/4gSD1XU_UyQ
Had to put link here as forum can't cope with links in an edited report.
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06-14-17 19:03 #11035
Posts: 4343Mongerer, nice reply, well put.
Reinforcing your point, a US member recently gave me graphic descriptions of how sex is sold in those many parts of the USA where it is illegal
Yes, some of us do read the German language forums "to see what is out there". Your posts on Spain make me wish I could try it, as does a youtube video on streetwalkers in La Jonquera: the girls looked hotter than 98% of those in FKK ("was furs auge in la jonquera")
Yes, I think it is Kamilla Dee: it used to be bbbj.
As most of the FKK customers are German I think you'll be safe, even if some of the FKK foreign visitors switch to neighbouring countries
Cheers.
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06-14-17 18:10 #11034
Posts: 2995Originally Posted by Optimist [View Original Post]
I was just conveying that the new law will probably not be a real issue. It is good that no separate tracking exists for specific upcharges by service. And unlike the Nevada legal brothels where the culture was CBJs during that pre-Internet period of time in the 1980's where people mistakenly believed that oral sex was a significant HIV transmission risk, the current FKK culture seems to be oriented to BBBJs. It is difficult to get a group of ladies, even at a place like Kamilla Dee's (I forget the exact name) who usually do CBJs to switch to BBBJs, but you rarely see ladies who start out doing BBBJs switch to CBJs. Especially when more money is available for BBBJs and plenty of BBBJ alternatives exist for independents and agency ladies in Germany and throughout southern Europe.
Laws just don't mean that much, especially when the "illegal" transaction takes place in private. I suspect the services will be the same at FKKs but the prices will effectively go up a bit and the sharing of information will be more discrete. That is how if works throughout the rest of the world, even in countries where just about everything related to sex is illegal. I hope so. I realize a lot of guys like FKKs, and I also know the services most guys want, including BBBJs us widely available in nearby countries. The FKK guys like to eat food provided by the FKKs after sex, and I am less than thrilled about them spreading throughout Europe like the Barbarian tribes of old days, offering 50 euros for a half hour BBBJ session with independents or at small brothels, and requesting that the provider fix them a free sandwich after the half hour session has finished.
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06-14-17 17:30 #11033
Posts: 4343Mongerer. Interesting points. I think you make just one error: FKK clubs in Germany do not keep a record of the charges a girl makes. The girls are legally self employed and their income is their own business. Clubs which do anything to infringe this principle risk severe attention by the authorities.
There are many reasons why many of us in this thread go only or mainly to Germany. It is not always due to lack of enterprise.
By the way, you say an amazing number of guys think that you are a pimp because you do reviews. I don't think I recall a host of accusations against you in the FKK threads.
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06-14-17 11:16 #11032
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Mongerer88 [View Original Post]
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06-14-17 03:46 #11031
Posts: 2995Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
When Canada adopted the Nordic model, there were predictions on the three major Canadian review board that it would end the strong escort system. Women, who were doing nothing illegal, would routinely blackmail the customers at the end of the sessions. Hotels would call the police when they see women entering hotel rooms registered to men and the police would be outside the hotel room to interview the women and go in to search the room for condoms. Incall would go way entirely. Neighbors would report the places and the police would use battering rams to knock down the doors. Cell phones of escort agencies would be tapped and monitored. Well guess what, none of that fucking happened. There have been no arrests under the new law, most police departments announced that the enforcement priorities would remain protecting underaged, exploited, and physically abused escorts. None of the agencies folded, reviews didn't decline, and services remained the same. Lesson: changes in laws don't always have as large of an effect as a lot of people think.
If you look at countries near Germany with no FKKs, BBBJ is either standard or easily obtained. No two countries or even localities are the same of course. In Spain, the independents simply advertise whether BBBJ and / or BBBJTC is available. Upsells for this are rare among independents, but their prices are usually a bit more than at the brothels, especially since they often require a one hour minimum. At a number of smaller Madrid and Barcelona appointment-style brothels, every lady simply does BBBJ. No specific upsells. There are a couple of brothels in Madrid where all of the ladies do BBBJ and some do BBBJTC and the upsell is published and standard for each lady. The best comparison to FKKs are the clubs and large line-up brothels where some of the ladies only do CBJs and some do BBBJ and some do BBBJTC. The majority of ladies who do BBBJ and BBBJTC at these places do in fact upsell it. Ironically, most of the smaller appointment-type brothels that don't upsell BBBJ or BBBJTC in Barcelona are less expensive, but you don't get a line-up. Lessons: When you put a lot of ladies in the same place and service offerings vary from lady to lady, there is a higher probability of upcharges from the ladies offering the most services. Also, you can often avoid all the negotiating hassles by sacrificing line-ups, researching advertisements, and trusting reviews from your fellow johns with multiple reviews and/or reviews in different places. An amazing number of guys on FKK boards accuse those of us taking time to do reviews of being pimps. Which is pretty fucking incredible given that many of those guys think that no group of sex workers are more exploited than the Romanians at FKKs.
As I said, no two countries are the same. Portugal has no culture of upselling. The biggest well-reviewed escort service in Lisbon and Porto charges the same whether or not the escort does CIM or even anal. They detail the service offerings on the website so the customer has an idea what to expect. There are no upcharges reported for the ladies. Same at the line-up style brothels. They either do CBJ, BBBJ, or BBBJTC. Same price, no upsells. I don't think there are in lessons here. The FKKs already have enough culture of existing upselling, so I don't think they will become like Portugal.
When you examine the ads in France and the Czech Republic, you see that more often than not, BBBJTC is listed as a surcharge, especially for agencies. Or like Spain if you see it as part of the "regular" price, it is offered by an independent escort who has a relatively higher per hour price than escorts who either don't offer it or levy a surcharge. The lesson is that this higher-level service is rarely free.
Obviously, the FKKs will need to protect themselves. They can't maintain records indicating that money was booked as upcharges for BBBJs. But that seems easy to fix by just changing to unspecified tips, if it needs to be recorded at all. If they don't see the need to adapt, they need look no further than the Nevada, USA legal brothels. Many of these went out of business since the Internet began flourishing. It is widely reported that the value of these legal licenses has drastically declined in value over the years. They have state law restrictions requiring CBJs and prohibiting anal sex that are generally followed. Once ladies could easily advertise on the Internet and use cell phones and email, most gradually left to work as independents in Vegas and throughout the country. There was once an entire review board dedicated to these places, but it was actually purchased by the legal brothels because it had too much information as to how to get better services, almost always BBBJ, from independent escorts in the USA or in Canada (if someone was obsessed with never technically breaking a law or wants to pay less for the same services). You simply can't find a review any more of legal brothel ladies. No one seems to go to them any more, with good reason. The services are clinical compared to independents reviewed on USA Escort review boards. The FKKs are going to learn this lesson and adapt to avoid being like the Nevada legal brothels.
Bottom line is that my prediction is that BBBJ and BBBJTC will continue to be available at FKKs. Based on nearby countries, it will probably have an upsell, and the clubs and the customers will have to disguise this charge and possibly learn to shut the fuck up about it, including an explicit discussion on message boards. We will probably see terms from experienced reviewers known to prefer BBBJs such as she will make you very happy, but remember to give her a good general tip upfront. The FKK system is unique and it should be interesting to see what happens.
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06-13-17 19:44 #11030
Posts: 22517Originally Posted by Adamveden [View Original Post]
In Germany, in brothels, when I'm in room with my independant WG and we agree about kind of sex we want to have together, I will just check door is quite close and I will enjoy like before 1st July. Private between 2 adults.
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06-13-17 10:26 #11029
Posts: 34Originally Posted by Sirioja [View Original Post]
The problem is that you can not know beforehand which thai-massages are brothels or which girls in a given massage are willing to provide sex or not. Sometimes it is first after a second or a third visit it is possible to get sex.
My guess is that will be something similar in German. If I read the notice between the lines I see it as a kind of waiver. The brothel has done its duty, but actually also explicitly tells that the girls are independent and they take no responsibility for what is agreed on in the room. I. E. BBBJ and maybe even BBFS is allowed in the room as long as the owner "do not know" and nobody sees it. Hence, my guess is that BBBJ and even BBFS will be available behind closed doors and with independent girls. The problem will be, as in Sweden with Thai-massages, that it will be more difficult to know beforehand which services are provided.
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06-12-17 08:33 #11028
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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06-12-17 07:51 #11027
Posts: 22517Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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06-12-17 05:31 #11026
Posts: 557Kondompflicht
Originally Posted by Neurosynth [View Original Post]
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06-12-17 01:41 #11025
Posts: 1160Originally Posted by YamaYama0519 [View Original Post]
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CONDOM DUTY.
Dear guests,
We have to point out that from 01.07. 2017 in our house a concession exists.
Please keep this agreement. If this is not the case, you can count on a penalty of up to € 50,000.
Note.
As before, prostitutes offer their services in their own name and for their own account, and reckon their own names and do not act on behalf of the holder of the prostitute act!
The provision of sexual services is agreed exclusively between the prostitutes and their clients or customers and is not part of the entry fee.
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06-11-17 21:52 #11024
Posts: 557Condom Law is around the corner
I found this notice at FKK ROM today.
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06-11-17 13:09 #11023
Posts: 1372Comparing extras at a high end brothel and some girls at FKK clubs
Originally Posted by Craiova [View Original Post]
It just shows that there is no logic when some FKK girls are asking 50 E extra for such services.
http://www.club-pearls.de/en/prices
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06-10-17 12:49 #11022
Posts: 4759Originally Posted by UltraHappy [View Original Post]