FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

[Vito Corleone]

Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" (www.fkk-annabella.de)?

I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.

Same club. Girls provide great service!

[KC Questor]

Is "Arabella" (thread title) the same place as "Annabella" (www.fkk-annabella.de)?

I did a search for Annabella and it keeps pointing to this thread.

[Myrrh]

Just last week Wanking reported the pricing was 30 for BBBJ and covered sex, 10 euro upgrade to AO sex and a further 10 euro uograde for CIM.

Wanking is an all-time great on these pages. He was one of the first on this internet forum to spread the word and actively promote AO activity and AO clubs. So, it is good to see that he is doing it right up to the end.

The point is who sets the rules here? Who is the authority on these pages who imposes the deadline as to the best time that we should cease discussing AO activity altogether.

Is it 4 years ago when the idea of a new law was first mooted?

Is it 3 years ago when it was confirmed that a new law was being drafted.

Is it 2 years ago when the law was going through parliament.

Is it 1 year ago when the new law was confirmed as having being passed.

Is it 6 months, 3 months, 1 month, 1 week before the new law comes into effect.

About 2 months ago some people on the board seemed to have decided for the rest of us that we should cease discussion of AO sex from that point. Others sheepishly agreed. But why that particular point?

What I do know is that for a period in advance of the new law coming into effect that these clubs had adjusted their behaviour to one that they think will be fit the new regime. So, no advertising of AO on the internet or on name cards, no public AO sex allowed, signs saying that condoms are compulsory and so on. Then in the rooms AO sex will almost definitely be available if the girls know you. However, there is likely to be a price increase as the girls will charge a small amount for providing the AO that they did for no extra charge before.

So we would have been able to get an idea as to how the post law scenario would look like from what was happening in the few weeks before. This would be useful to to know. However if we had followed the 'controllers' in not allowing any AO talk before the law came into place then we would not have known the lie of the land as it is going to be now.

I am not incurring the costs and the time of travelling to Germany only to find that it is condom everything. I can get that at home.

Also, I don't want to be ripped off. I don't want to be paying 10 euros extra for each of BBBJ, CIM and CIP. This would mean paying 60 euros when before it was half that amount at 30 euros before the law change.

Thanks to Wanking's intrepid reporting (and his ignoring of the controllers on this board) we now know that going into the new regime that the AO service that most guys want (which is CIP) will most likely be available for just 10 euros extra. This prevents complete newbies being ripped off by the girls because they don't know what the 'going rate' is.

Then there were those guys who have been reporting that the girls are saying that they will only guarantee AO sex for those guys that are known to them from before the law took effect. Would this not be useful to know in advance of entering this new period? Armed with this information then guys would have been advised to have tried to visit a few clubs before the law change just to show their face so that the girls were likely to remember them for when they visit after the change in law. Now it would be too late.

I am probably the only one who has been making the very important point that it does not matter so much that there is a new law as to how the law is going to be enforced, if at all!

There is an indoor smoking ban in Germany in public places however you would never have guessed it given that practically all of the girl's chain smoke all day long inside the small confines of the RTC clubs with the patrons forced to inhale their smoke. The authorities don't bother with this but they would bother if you lit up in a normal German nightclub. So enforcement of the smoking ban indoors is selective by the authorities.

I strongly believe that the authorities will have far more pressing matters like concentrating on stopping those AO gangbangs which were advertised widely with mostly trafficked Romanian / Bulgarian girls before the law change where anyone could walk in off the street and join in without any testing. Also, those women who advertise for AO activities in apartments. I agree that the situation that existed before where an unwitting person could walk into a RTC and see unprotected sex happening in front of your eyes was clearly not acceptable and so needed to stop, which it has.

The authorities may not bother with RTCs, where AO sex is happening privately between consenting adults behind closed doors and there is no real evidence that it took place. Anonymous reports on forums is not credible evidence as there is lots of false reporting and claims on line. Entrapment and under cover reporting is not part of German law enforcement like it is in the US.

If AO activity is happening in an RTC club but I don't know about it then as far as I am concerned then it may as well not be happening because I cannot take part in something that is happening unless I know that it is happening in the first place.

So, I say carry on at least periodically reporting about what is happening in these places and be damned. It is highly unlikely that the authorities will bother with these private clubs anyway because it is too difficult to enforce the law here (to know what really happened between two consenting adults in a closed room) and it is unlikely that any customers will be making any complaints to the authorities because the girl allowed their request to have AO sex!

There are far more low hanging fruit for the authorities to concentrate on and reports on these forums are worthless in terms of credible evidence for authorities to act on in terms of what is happening in the RTCs. However if we find out that the authorities are enforcing the law and investigating / raiding these clubs then we can always think again.

[Triptogamont]

Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.

There weren't many girls at either place I would want to spend more than 20 minutes with. Just an opinion.

I don't remember exact prices, but I am 90% sure they were lower than GT and Finca (my other destinations on my trip). 40 for 30 minutes? Please don't quote me.

[Sirioja]

Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.

More expensive than Aca or Gold, for quite ugly girls when you can sometimes find real beauties at Aca.

[BigBuddy69]

They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.

Thank you. It must be 50 for 30 minutes and 60 for 40 or 45 min. So those clubs are now the same price as the upper-class clubs of NRW.

[Triptogamont]

Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?

They were listed on the wall in both places when I went in early June. 30 for 20 minutes. I don't remember the pricing for 30,45, 60 minutes, sorry.

[Whorist]

Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?

Last time I was there in January, there was an 20 minutes 30 euro option.

Is thiis not the case anymore?

[BigBuddy69]

Without talking about the services, I'd like to know if the prices have changed like in Dietz. Last time I checked, there was an happy hour in F39 but the prices of the sessions were too high (50€/30 min). Is it the same in VV and in Arabella?

[Whorist]

Has anybody been to V. V,Grimberg or Arabella after 1. Of July.

Has the New Law changed anything.

Please send a private Message if you don't want to Write on the forum.

[Optimist]

Trip. Glad you found Larissa: she always gets me to finish, which makes her a class act from my point of view.

When I was last there theclub started to close well before 22.00, even though I was planning another session.

I'll be back at VV in a couple of weeks.

[Triptogamont]

The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.

Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.

Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly..

I was not very impressed by the lineup at Freude the day I went. But I wasn't expecting a whole lot either.

I chose Anna because of her face and smile. And because I hadn't seen Vanessa yet. I don't regret it, but I would not repeat.

I'm pretty sure Vanessa told me Bulgaria, but I could very well be wrong. Maybe she's Romanian and lying to us both. I thought she was easily the best looking girl I saw that day. She asked me not to finish inside also, but only once. I had no issue with that, because I tend to enjoy seeing the cum fly. I probably watch too much porn.

As I said in a post elsewhere, I'm probably one of those tourists that you regulars hate. I have an average session with a girl and walk away happy because it's still a lot cheaper than anything available where I normally play. If I went to these clubs all the time, I would definitely have to learn to be more selective and figure out who the best performers are.

[Myrrh]

She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.

Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers..

The two that you mentioned are probably not the two most appealing girls who ever worked at F39.

Anna is a very nice girl. I mean in terms of personality. Warm, caring, fun loving, attentive, affectionate. I have willed myself to go with her many times as she is always chasing me round the club when she sees me. The face is just about acceptable although a little haggard. But it is the body that lets her down badly. Soft bodied, round shouldered, droopy tits and a paunchy stomach. It would take supreme will power to get it up for her. Will power that I don't have. Shame, as she is a lovely girl.

Vanessa I believe is actually from Turkey not Bulgaria. That is what she told me anyway. When I first saw her over a year ago I was struck by the fact that she was petite, with a pert ass and long black hair which went all the way down to her butt. She has strong, dark eyebrows, almond eyes and long black eyelashes, so has a fairly striking face. If she catches you looking at her she likes to give you lots of little lingering gazes whilst smiling alluringly.

So I went with her but not sooner than we started than she warned me that I shouldn't come inside. Maybe she should have told me before we went to the room? I was going to go with what she said but then she warned me at least another couple of times during the sex just in case I forgot. This kind of killed the mood for me and irritated me a little so I decided that I might not completely comply and maybe put a little inside her and the rest outside. But she must have been listening for changes in my breathing because as soon as I started to come she immediately pulled away and all of it went on the towel we were lying on. I must have had a completely full tank because when I saw the amount that I had spilled on the towel instead of inside her I was a little gutted. It would have made a great creampie.

I never quite forgave her and when I saw her again a few months later she clearly remembered that we had gone together once but could not understand why I didn't want to go with her again even though she kept calling out to me whenever I walked past.

[Triptogamont]

Hadn't been feeling well early this week, but was running out of time in FKK land, so I figured I'd try Freude 39. GPS dropped me right at their door with no problems around noon. Rang the bell, got buzzed in. Paid my 30 entry, was given a towel and two keys, one for small locker upstairs, one for big locker downstairs. Went down, undressed, took a shower, and changed.

Came back up to have a look around. Overall, was not very impressed with the lineup. Maybe 10 girls, and no real lookers. About as many guys. But I noticed one girl with a nice face and pretty smile. Sat next to her and introduced myself.

She says her name is Anna, and she's from Romania. Shoulder length light brown hair. Maybe 165 cm. Pretty face, average body. She stroked me softly and Little Trip was willing, so off to the room. Nice soft kisses, good BBBJ. Covered sex in multiple positions isn't bad. But I'm still not 100% and things just aren't working for me. Oh well, probably should have rested another day instead of coming here. So we sit and chat for a bit, when suddenly she gets a shy, sexy smile. Slowly strokes and teases me with fingers and fingernails. Little Trip responds tentatively. She strokes and sucks me back to life, slowly but surely, until I finally bust in her hands. Wonderful! Most girls go straight from zero to full speed, but she did a great job of starting slowly and letting things build. Easily worth 30.

Pay her at the small lockers, then go downstairs to shower. Back up and wander around a little bit. More girls and more guys. Some nice, slim bodies, but not so great faces. One young girl is very good looking, but she looks very worried and is deep in conversation with another. Not sure why, but that puts me off of her. Finally, after getting some soda at the bar, I see a girl near the door. I grab a couch to watch her for a bit. She jumps up every time the bell rings to let a new guy in. I like her body, so I go and sit next to her.

Vanessa from Bulgaria, 160 cm, black hair to shoulder blades. Slim body. Nice, smallish breasts. Cuddly and LFK on the couch. Cuddly and DFK in the room. Excellent BBBJ. Excellent multiple positions in the room. Bust on her stomach. Very very nice. Another 30 well spent. Lots of hugs and kisses after in the room, and on the way up to the lockers.

I'm done and have to get going. Had a good time at Freude. Great way to spend 90 euro. Vanessa escorts me to the door as I'm leaving with a final hug and a few kisses.

[Triptogamont]

Went to Villa Venus last week. GPS was my best friend, putting me right at the front door around 2030. I parked 50 feet away. The area is very industrial, but no one was around. I had not heard of any car issues beforehand, or I would have been more worried.

Walked up, rang the bell, got buzzed in. Very nice, slim, naked girl opens the door and shows me to the counter. I pay my 30 entrance fee, drop my valuables in the small locker upstairs, go downstairs to put my clothes in the big locker, shower, come back up wearing my towel and a smile. I scan the place, and see only 5-6 girls. And only one girl I'd like to take to a room, the girl who opened the door. I sit for a while on the couch one away from her in order to keep looking around. A few other girls come and go, but again, I only want one.

I get up and sit next to her. She introduces herself as Larissa from Romania. Thin, small breasts, maybe 165 cm. Long black hair. Pretty face, but her teeth could use some work. No tattoos. In seconds, she's kissing me and stroking me under the towel, and yes, I want to go to the room. She goes to get the key and comes back immediately In the room, we lay down towels. If I am remembering correctly, she never leaves the room. The only reason I mention this is because of recent posts where people have brought this up. Excellent BBBJ. She puts a little bit of lube on her hand, maybe the size of a pea? Rubs it in. Excellent sex in multiple positions with good eye contact, moaning, soft touching. Overall, an excellent session. Clean up, she leads me to a separate bathroom where we both wash up. Back to the locker where I hand her the paperwork. This is after the session, and the only reason I mention that is because of other recent posts. Fabulous way to spend 30. Hug and kiss goodbye.

I go back and sit on the same couch. No other ladies I'd like to see. Two guys are sitting on a couch on the other side of the room. I think one is an ISG member I have exchanged some PMs with a couple of times. Feeling like a kid in school, I introduce myself and sit on the next couch over. We have an interesting conversation over the next half hour or so. I notice the pregnant girl and am a bit shocked. I did not get a look at her face, so cannot comment. Suddenly, the management tells us that they are closing soon. Really? It's not even 2200! Oh well, the others have to leave, but I want one more session.

I sit next to Diana from Romania. Tiny girl, can't be more than 145 cm. But she's got the curvy body of a woman, pretty face, nice breasts. She kisses me then says we should go to the room right away since everyone has to leave. No problem. Again, she does not leave the room. Again, just a little bit of lube. Very nice session. Her BBBJ and Asian cowgirl are fantastic. Flip her all around into every position I can think of. She's so small and flexible! Pay her at the lockers afterwards.

I am the last guy in the building. I take a quick shower, get dressed, gather all my stuff, thank the ladies still present, and leave. No issues at all at my car. Again, I mention this because of other posts.

I had a very good time at Villa Venus. 90 very very well spent. I was honored to meet a couple of members here of long standing. The lineup was pretty small, and I was not very impressed. I roomed with the only two worthwhile, IMHO. That being said, I wasn't expecting a long line of Victoria Secret models, so I am not complaining.