Kyiv

[LuisVega11]

2,5 million girl in Kiev and people spend their time being fucked up in tinder mamba fake escort portal. Go out, walk 20 km a day and do your job. Get up early and go to pool metro trying to catch.

Some working girl going to work office, trying to invite her for a fast coffee. That's Kiev.

I went to Rio and spent 300 dollar touching 2 nipples and having a kiss with tongue. I would be ashamed even to tell this to friend. 300 dollar you can even fuck a girl in chi.

But again you need.

1- game.

2- aspect.

If not you need go Rio.

[LuisVega11]

Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.

And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.

It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.

The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.

Kiev 23 trip from 2012 to now with minimum stay 30 days per trip. I think I know 2 or 3 things.

- I'm not negative at all. Trying to spread some good info to help people. Last post I referred to easy sex in Kiev. Is a dream for many. Those who tell I fuck an 8-9 for 100 gryvna have never seen a 8 or 9 simply. I'm not trying top persuade them they fucked a 6 or 7 cause they won't change their mind just I'm trying to show people that in Kiev right now with 1500 gryvna or in general low money you can fuck mediocre pussy for Kiev standard. Sure for your western standard and mine they are not bad. But at the end is it worth going Kiev spending minimum 2000 dollar for 2 week to fuck some cheap working girls?

- you had a girl in gia for 100? Minimum price is 150-200 with discount for hour. Maybe you were luck. Gia is god but again for that sum you can fuck anywhere in the world that level, no need to go Kiev.

- I seldom pay in Kiev, because I have game I stay long and know these girl. I created a social circle around my job and what I'm seeing everyday is tons of desperate who go Kiev fuck a toilet than come back home pretending to have had a great time. I never saw a 7-8 in my scale with a foreigner, apart some expat with big pocket.

- you never got catfished? How many of those girl you fucked at the end. Sure for you spending 20-30 dollar in a date with a girl found in tinder maybe is not too much. You got some smiles. Some conversation. You thought oh god I'm not very nice I don't have any game and a girl like this talk with me. Then this girl finish her salad and say bye bye. Not even a kiss clearly. You probably never saw her again. Of 30 dates in tinder you scored maybe once but I doubt. Then at the end you spent 1000 dollar fucking half pussy. While your counterpart Ukrainian take this girl out spend less money and fuck them the same night. Sometimes I saw the same tourist day in a row in Kiev center. Always with a nice girl different. Always entering bar restaurant with the girl and exit alone. This is the typical foreign beta status in Kiev. Tinder is the scum of the scum in Kiev.

[Riina]

My feelings are with Volpone, Drama, and Luis. Too many internet Casanovas here.

[Volpone]

Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.

And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.

It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.

The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.

Dating or dealing with prostitutes, that's not the same. As long as you pay, even if you are old, ugly, shy or just average, an escort will go with you, that's her job. Of course you can have successes by dating girls in Kiev, but that's tough for the categories of men mentioning above.

[Stevie69]

Why is Luis so upset? Because the rest of us do not have to pay as much? It is as if he wants to raise the prices for everyone. The problem is desperate tourists who pay more than they would pay at home. They pay for one hour more than most girls earn in a whole month in their regular jobs. GIA girls start at 3000 UAH, and those girls are pretty good, and it is clearly indicated that BBJJ is included (to go back to another issue). Maybe girls at the Caribbean, or girls with fake boobs and fake everything else want USD, but there are thousand of students and young single mums that are happy with 1000-2000 UAH. Just my 2 cents!

[Stevie69]

In my experience, BBBJ is included about 75% of the time. Maybe it is because I do not ask for a "per item" list, but rather for want and a total price. How they itemize it is not my concern. Of course, you may not want to get a BBBJ from a hard-working pro. If yours is the 10th cock she has had in her mouth that day and the last guy's ejaculate still noticeable in her breath, a BBBJ would be risky. Then again, those are the girls who charge 500 UAH or less. Most of us are playing at a higher level, with pros that charge a little more so they do not have to see so many customers, or semi-pros who do it occasionally to supplement their income. I certainly would not go for anything under 1000 UAH. Well, I have met students who just needed a little more incentive to come home with me, and a few times 800 UAH ND and a couple of drinks did the trick.

Non-pros are easy to find on mamba. Just remove the "looking for sex" option. And instead search for girls looking for marriage. However, they seldom reply.

The newbie is right Steevie69. Pros in Kiev usually don't do BBBJ. And if they do it, they will increase their price of 25-50%. Some of them won't do it for even 100 US. Kiev is not a good destination for BBBJ.

What concern the Non-pros, BBBJ is not always included. It really depends on each girls. Anyway Non-pros are hard to find on Mamba now, I mean real non-pros, so good luck for the newbies hunting non-pros on mamba.

About the price that locals pay, everyone can pay that price. I paid that price. 450 UAH for 1 hour with a girl. I am not Ukrainian. You just have to know a bit of Russian. However the quality is most of the time low and that's just wasting time.

[JonasWRay]

Are you talking about my report that made your jaw drop? Don't be so concerned with my experience it's my vacation and I'm having the time of my life.

Just trying to share my experience to help others. Why do you continue to post all negatively we get the point.

Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.

And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.

It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.

The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.

[DramaFree11]

I have read last report and my jaw drop.

Is easy to understand why foreigners AR left with the garbage in Kiev and ugly pussy for 100 and more dollar.

- first 400 450 gryvna are paid by local for ugly girl. Certainly I won't go to Kiev to fuck any of this. Check: http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1 and see what locals fuck for 500 1000 range gryvna.

- in Kiev three things count:

1- Money.

2-Game.

3-Aspect.

If you luck 2 3 you need tons of money to fuck nice girl, and for nice I 'm not talking about what some posts have shown in photos recently. Girl I would not even call 6 in Kiev. 7-8 are top model in my country or USA. 9-10 are girl you cannot find in other country. Those 7-8 in any western country in Kiev are barely 6,5. So when somebody write I fucked a 9 for 2000 gryvna it means is meter of judgement is pretty low and is 9 is a 6 maximum 7..

100% correct.

[DramaFree11]

Pussy is pussy everywhere. Locals who pay 300 500 fuck toilet in Kiev.

Any girl in Kiev will let a foreigner fuck them I'm talking nice girl. Sure there are woman ready to fuck for 600 hour but they are simply ugly.

The only chance you can have is find a over 30 girl or a village girl recently arrived in Kiev. So you can deal with 800 1000 meet in term of sponsorship.

If you think that salary official is the real salary of people, you have understood very few of Kiev. Nobody has official salary. NOBODY. Especially girl.

I have never seen beggars girl in sweet or girl offering sex for money desperate. Most live a normal life with low money and enjoy.

Stop spreading false info like I fuck for 800 gryvna hours. Sure you can but quality is what it's. This info only make every desperate come to Kiev hoping to fuck girl for 20 euro.

We have already too much sex desperate tourist in Kiev.

Great Post, I lived there and there is no way you get girls for that price. The problem is people read these post and believe it. I just do not want someone to spend all there money on booking a trip and they will be real disappointed.

[Member #4722]

Are you talking about my report that made your jaw drop? Don't be so concerned with my experience it's my vacation and I'm having the time of my life.

Just trying to share my experience to help others. Why do you continue to post all negatively we get the point.

[LuisVega11]

Bob,

You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.

In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.

Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable. Girls from GIA, which are top quality, start at 3000 UAH and half goes to the house. So, independent girls, even the highest quality girls, start at 1500 UAH. Of course, finding them and coming up to an agreement takes more time and effort, and they have to be more careful too, given that they do not have drivers and protection. Whether that security is worth 50% to the girls, I do not know; it depends on the individual girl.

Sometimes it is smarter, for you and the girl, to meet beforehand at a public place, for a coffee. I usually do that. If I do not sense any chemistry, or if she is not the girl in the photos, I MIGHT give her 50 UAH and send her home. I say "might" because it depends on how I feel. I figure, I already paid for the coffee and although they might argue that their time is worth money, but mine is too, and if I calculate my hourly wage, my time is worth about 1300 UAH per hour..

Pussy is pussy everywhere. Locals who pay 300 500 fuck toilet in Kiev.

Any girl in Kiev will let a foreigner fuck them I'm talking nice girl. Sure there are woman ready to fuck for 600 hour but they are simply ugly.

The only chance you can have is find a over 30 girl or a village girl recently arrived in Kiev. So you can deal with 800 1000 meet in term of sponsorship.

If you think that salary official is the real salary of people, you have understood very few of Kiev. Nobody has official salary. NOBODY. Especially girl.

I have never seen beggars girl in sweet or girl offering sex for money desperate. Most live a normal life with low money and enjoy.

Stop spreading false info like I fuck for 800 gryvna hours. Sure you can but quality is what it's. This info only make every desperate come to Kiev hoping to fuck girl for 20 euro.

We have already too much sex desperate tourist in Kiev.

[LuisVega11]

I have read last report and my jaw drop.

Is easy to understand why foreigners AR left with the garbage in Kiev and ugly pussy for 100 and more dollar.

- first 400 450 gryvna are paid by local for ugly girl. Certainly I won't go to Kiev to fuck any of this. Check: http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1 and see what locals fuck for 500 1000 range gryvna.

- in Kiev three things count:

1- Money.

2-Game.

3-Aspect.

If you luck 2 3 you need tons of money to fuck nice girl, and for nice I 'm not talking about what some posts have shown in photos recently. Girl I would not even call 6 in Kiev. 7-8 are top model in my country or USA. 9-10 are girl you cannot find in other country. Those 7-8 in any western country in Kiev are barely 6,5. So when somebody write I fucked a 9 for 2000 gryvna it means is meter of judgement is pretty low and is 9 is a 6 maximum 7.

Forget top model, instagril, the best in Kiev. Most of them will laugh at you even for 100 dollar hours. They earn 10000 dollar month minimum from various sponsor travel etc. They not care of your 100 dollar.

- going to Kiev to deal with prostitute is totally useless. That nobody still as understood this is out of my mind, to succeed in Kiev need great daytime, something special the girl will value, be present often. And have the capability of spending money.

- as somebody said if you not succeed to fuck in your country regularly in Kiev you won't fuck any girl worth a trip. Sure you can fuck ugly girl, like most Turkish do nowadays. But is it worth? With 1500 euro you can fuck at home 8 hours for 200 hour and I'm sure better escort than Kiev.

[Member #4722]

Spent some time at the Atlas Weekend festival there were so many beautiful girls there. Whoever says the beautiful women have left Ukraine is crazy. I think there are about 100,000 people there about 30% of which are very attractive women. This is probably for the younger crowd but for me in 40's I did meet some nice girls for friendship that could turn into more.

Met a girl off Mamba that I had wanted to see last summer and it did not work out but I was very attracted to her and so I made sure to lock her down early in my trip. She looked as good as photos (I was surprised since she had her weight listed as many that she was chubby but she lost some weight she said and had a nice body with small tits but skinny and beautiful face. Had a really nice unrushed session with her for 70 USD and plan to see her again in my trip. Got BBBJ and kissing so that was nice. She is 22 YO.

I had written before that I wanted to try anal but with a big dick I could not get any girls to go for it. My friend met a girl on Tinder and she met us after a night of drinking for breakfast. This girl was in 40's and noty very attractive but had a decent body for this age and she was coming on to me and I was horny so I ended up fucking her she took me in the ass no problems and I fucked her hard for basically free (a couple drinks). Would not repeat she is a crazy girl but the sex was really good I must say.

Met a Girl that I had reported about last summer and maybe it was my fault as I was tired and had not slept well but it seemed awkward with us even though we had communicated throughout the year and I was excited to see her. Gave her $100 USD for what I was expecting to me more like a date sex dinner back for more sex but after 20 minutes of lousy sex she gave an excuse that she had to meet her friend and would be back in 20 minutes and I knew this was not true and of course she gave me an excuse. I have deleted her number.

As it was July 4 and I am American I was now disappointed with nothing to do and really bored and I am well under budget for this trip. I knew there are no clubs that are crowded on Tuesday night so I decide to try out Rio. Since I had already had sex and sometimes cannot perform a second time so soon I was just going to get drunk and get some private dances. I would have to say Rio is a really nice place. Drinks are not too crazy expensive, the managers are eager to assist you and I saw out of about 50 girls that there were only about 2 that I found unattractive (but I would fuck every one of them! Some really pretty girls there. I had a nice seat and saw all the girls come through and dance three at a time on a side stage. And then every 20 minutes two girls would come by and give a short dance presentation at the table. One of these girls was named Masha she was tall and really beautiful great face and body. Took her for two-song dance (500 H) and she let me touch everywhere besides pussy but no real connection. Then I asked the manager if he had any redheads and he pointed to this girl Anya and I told him to get here for me when she was done on stage. She was probably below average for the girls there but petite and still very hot. When she comes over she did not have red hair but reddish brown. But I asked her for private dance and she was really good and I could tell we were connecting and I got three dances from her (1500 H). She was completely nude and kissed with tongue so I started to get excited and now wanted to take her back. I did and she was amazing in bed. No BBBJ but she did BLS (this happens sometimes I don't understand why one is ok and the other isn't.). I spent a lot on the night but like I said I was way ahead on budget and it was a special occasion but this girl was a firecracker and got two loads out of me. I can count on one hand how many times I have come three times in one day since I was sixteen. So even though I spent a lot of money it was well worth it to me as it's hard to find such a pretty girl that gives a great session even for 300 USD where I live. But probably won't be going back to Rio soon as my budget took at hit last night!

Will report more if anything interesting happens.

[Volpone]

Bob,

You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.

In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.

Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable.

They will try to squeeze every cent from you. BBBJ is usually included as part of the service. So its the "taxi."During the day, you can be guaranteed they did not use a taxi.

The newbie is right Steevie69. Pros in Kiev usually don't do BBBJ. And if they do it, they will increase their price of 25-50%. Some of them won't do it for even 100 US. Kiev is not a good destination for BBBJ.

What concern the Non-pros, BBBJ is not always included. It really depends on each girls. Anyway Non-pros are hard to find on Mamba now, I mean real non-pros, so good luck for the newbies hunting non-pros on mamba.

About the price that locals pay, everyone can pay that price. I paid that price. 450 UAH for 1 hour with a girl. I am not Ukrainian. You just have to know a bit of Russian. However the quality is most of the time low and that's just wasting time.

[BobSmith1]

Thanks once again for setting all these parameters for me. I need to start thinking and calculating like locals and maybe pay just a little more than locals. I know I ain't going to pay as little as locals but hopefully not too much more. I started just cold approaches in mall. I think I'll just imply that we can be friends of benefits. Imply I don't think I can be too explicit? Can I? I mean in the mall? There was a blonde approached me I think she is from church or something. She wanted to continue to talk but just just couldn't understand English much. There are many who don't. It's hard. My friend has a little online marketing thing so he can hire someone to work so she can make money for you while you pay them a little while get her in bed too. I think that's the most ideal situation. What business can we run here even very small business. If I pay $400, I make $600,that's still a little gain plus pay her salary too. The "I'm her boss" figure can alter how she see you. And "you got a business here" also alter how she see you too. Both bring some more respect?

Have any of you gone to church here? Is there Mormon here? Mormon got a lot of girls even in USA.