Bangkok Reports

[Wander Luster]

Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.

I've never been to mainland China and hope I never do. I live in Saigon and am from E Coast usa. So, what is "Kitty Beijing". In Saigon you can bone a stunner girl same as you describe for just $75. But she's VN which is far more nice than mainland China where all is just money. However, these perfect girls are escorts who don't speak English. You need to be a bit more adventuresome and also text them with BASIC VN or hire someone to translate from escort sites to meet at a hotel room. Is that the same with these wonderful Bening girls? Are they are easy to go with for someone not too familiar w / China. Let's compare apples to apples, not to oranges, for BKK.

[Wander Luster]

I agree that Western tourists are less and less important and fewer in number. That goes for P4 P as well and will continue to be the trend. Hope the mainlanders don't start into the P4P scene here, but I am afraid they will. As far as prices and development here; that's all up in the air at the moment. It's one step forward and two steps back. Other nations in the region are viewed as more stable and some are becoming more and more friendly to foreign business and investment. And educational systems in places like Vietnam are improving rapidly. Vietnam now has the 12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet. They also have a larger population than Thailand and seem to be very serious about improving infrastructure. If Thailand is going to stay ahead in the region it needs to get it back in gear. Check out the growth rates here compared to other SE Asian nations. Not looking so hot at the moment.

Dude, I've lived in VN for 16 of the past 20 months. That is insane you say "12th best primary and secondary ed on the planet". Did you get that from Fox News or a Drump mouthpiece? Education sucks there. It's not even in top 50 (how would it be better than so many western european countries for example? It is, however, true that VT graduates work super hard and can beat people from wealthy countries in their knowledge of things like computer programming for mobile. But it's a F##ing one party run country. Authoritarian system. How the F is it better than wealthy countries in asia like Korea, Japan, Singapore. And then W. Europe etc. ?

I remember this forum 15 years ago when people were careful about facts vs. BS. Sad day to see so much mis-information here.

[Wander Luster]

A bit about me. Many guys seem to just want the cheapest sex possible. I'm wanting more of an upscale place, an experience, something to remember. I don't really have a budget and think that even the most expensive thing in Bangkok isn't really expensive (vs. A $800/ hour NYC escort). I'm not bragging at all- just want to share so if you are looking for a different experience then you can ignore.

Sat on a couch awkwardly and tried to loosen her up. At least she didn't ask 5 seconds "upstairs?" like the first one. So we hand-roamed a bit but she was obviously waiting for me to want to get it over with. Fine. It's under $20 so just get it over with then I can say I've done a BKK BJ bar.


I wouldn't go back. No atmosphere, not a great "experience." But to get a great BJ for under $20 (albeit in a dirty / unsanitary looking place) I guess it's ok. I tipped her another $85 as my bill was $915 and I gave her the change.

Not sure who you are trying to impress, but this is just off them mark. What's with all the remarks about teeth? Maybe you're compulsive so that's why you can't appreciate BKK bars / message. Best if you stick with the 800 USD in USD that you mentioned. I also used to live in NYC and have the $$ to spend in BKK, but you're report is off the mark.

[Wander Luster]

Maybe you are confusing Thermae with some other place? About 15 years ago Thermae was packed to the roof with lovely young girls in their twenties. OK, maybe not all of them were lovely but they were young anyway. If it ever was a famous place for the older-ish women then that must have been before my time.

There's nothing special (anymore) about Thermae. Nowadays the girls there are focused on Koreans and Japanese for the most part.

Yup! You are right. The names from 15 years ago all sound the same. Maybe Annie's. But it was Thermae I went to and couldn't see any reason to return. Ever.

[MrManGuy]

IMHO Bangkok has way better girls but pattaya has a much more relaxing vibe. I can't stand Bangkok.

[Smoothy]

I agree with bionicman. Once you know about the main areas like Nana and Soi Cowboy, as well as having a general idea of price, you are set. Just arrive and go with the flow.

[BionicMan]

I see people overthinking, making too much planning, setting a "minute by minute agenda" for their first visit to LOS.

Take it easy guys, this is not a marketing action and there is no need to make a business plan.

I understand the weeks or months before the first trip are exciting, but there is no need to overdo.

ISG is full of information to give you an idea on what you will see and find.

Get into the field and spend an evening browsing the different options, bars and gogo. Sit in a bar at nana and watch what goes on, look at the people (girls and punters) going in, out, observe the flow and see what is going on.

Don't be a target of smart girls, but still enjoy what comes on the tray.

[Syzygies]

Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.

Ha Ha! Amusing since most punters in Thailand take a very different attitude, a harder one, where they believe they are paying far too much for a bargirl already, and expect the girl to stay the whole night for just 500 to 1K Baht extra, which is really quite unreasonable, causing most top girls to be not interested in very long bookings. For good money they may change their attitude.

I suspect that certainly if you liked the girl for the initial period to the first pop, and then offered extra money to go round again, they might be into it, unless their pussy is already hurting.

It's not so applicable to me since I always take so long to get to the first pop. I have tried to offer girls extra money to stay on till morning in the past, and very few accepted, however that is a very different thing to extending a ST. Some girls just do not want to do Long Time at all.

If you managed to choose a girl with low stamina, there is little chance your extension plan is going to work. All my regular girls have good to very good stamina to fuck for a reasonably long period, but plenty of girls do not. So nothing is guaranteed.

Some bars have started to introduce rules where, a certain category of girl, perhaps Coyote type, is due back to the bar by a certain time, based on your barfine, and that due time may be unreasonably just 1 hour later. Dolls House had silly rules like this for some girls. Make sure you do not get a girl of this type. Traditionally there was only 1 barfine, and girl was not obliged to return to the bar after the ST or LT whatever it turned out to be.

[UltraHappy]

You Happy,

Look it varies by personality of the girl a lot and by what you negotiate, and how much she likes you. Definitely some bar girls are bolters that will not go over 1 hour if you did not negotiate something longer. Some girls will be trying to get away with 30 min quickie. Many bar girls were seen to go with a customer and return in less than 30 minutes, from a short time room.

I never get done in less than 1 hour and generally take 90 minutes on days that the ST Hotel is quiet, sometimes longer, however girls do start complaining "When are you going to cum? If taking a very long time. Very irritating.

Most bargirls are expecting to give one pop only I believe. If you want more, you should raise the issue with them. If you want more than 90 minutes, might be worth discussing that too. I had a freelance girl that was on a pretty good deal, getting more than normal for 90 minute sessions. When I went over 90 minutes one, day, she complained and pleaded for extra money (probably was broke), but I thought she was well paid already. So did not give what she asked for (too much). Put me off her really, She never haggled about the money so much previously. Haven't done her again recently. She was a good fuck but not really that pretty.

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.

Thanks for the perspective Mr. Nympho.

OK, what if I take a gogo girl out for a ST and we spend 1 hour together. Then, I pay her for 2 more STs (or I extend the ST to LT). In this situation, am I supposed to also pay her a bigger Bar Fine since I kept her out the bar longer than originally anticipated? Or, do I just pay her her ST / LT fee?

In another scenario, let's say I take a gogo girl out for ST and I fail to negotiate the length of time. She wants to bolt after the first pop, about a half hour in. At this point, I suppose if I like her, I could offer her another ST for another hour if she finishes her first hour with me, yes? Would that be a decent strategy? In this situation, I don't need to also pay her another BF to take back to the club, right? I just pay her another ST fee.

[Goatscrot]

The point is thai wages have increased almost 3 fold since 2001 which is the reason for 5 k LT when it used to be 1. 5 k back in 01.

Regardless thailand still has an amazing offering as far as I am concerned. The main problem for me is Koreans taking all the hot girls.

Income inequality in the USA is also high but most Americans are too fucking stupid to know that. And it dies matter because of the USA wages had increased at the same rate as thai then 5000 BAHT would be seen as cheap.

Currently the Thai Baht is overvalued due to the short term bonds the gov has been offering for the past few months. Don't think that will last so long. And I would agree that you are way off base as to what Thais earn.

Sorry dude, I don't think the rate has much to do with the cost of living here. It is all the punter. It's two week millionaires on holiday and the masses of Asian tourists. Without the later especially, ST would still be 1500 Baht. Remember, oilies and soapies are pretty much the same cost as they were 15 years ago. Also we are not fishing in the same pond as very demanding locals as we do in places like HK and Jakarta. If the mamasans in places like KPressure in Kowloon were to offer up a dark skinned gal with the map of the Northern Territories on her gut who did not perform; the locals would scream at her. The local and foreign punter here is not that demanding. When the mainlanders do invade the scene here the gals are really in for a surprise. The agency crap has also been awful for the punter. Salaries here are still very low as is the cost of living compared to most other Asian capital cities. Compare what you pay for an average Isan gal to what you get in Beijing. This morning Kitty Beijing posted some photos and some reports. They charge 700 RMB. A little over 100 USD and the gal is stunning, white skin, pink nipples, no baby, and performs. I would have no issue at all paying that in BKK for something of that quality. That is not what is on offer. And sorry, Beijing is a far more expensive city to live in than BKK and salaries are higher.

And yes the US is an awful place; that is why I left. But hey, wages never increase in developed nations like they do in developing nations.

[DubyaMan88]

In Bangkok for the last 2 days. Decided to call a Russian lady. I prefer 30 yrs – 35 yrs. They are more comfortable with their bodies and know how to give and get pleasure. Besides they are not in a hurry.

She came to my room and gave me an excellent massage, using her elbows. Looks like she was trained by an expert Thai masseuse. Then she proceeded to take off my clothes and her own. Pushed me back on the bed and told me to let her do all the work– I was happy to comply. Started with BBBJ and took me to a very pleasurable release. Was in no hurry to leave till I sent her away at midnight since I had an early morning meeting. Leaving today for Singapore.

Hope to be back in BKK next month.

[Member #4698]

3. My plan is to do a Smooci girl in the afternoon after a few hours of sleep. I arrive early morning after a long flight. Hit Spasso in the evening (I arrive on a Sat) and hopefully score a lady with great looks (I hope both I and she will be interested in LT). Wake up on Sun and let the Spasso lady blow me before I head out for breakfast. Sunday. Hit a MP (not sure which one, I have been to Bamboo and Snow White and I liked both but I may try a different MP). Have one of my regulars come and see me in the evening. Be with her Sunday night and hang out with her on Monday and do her Monday night too. Anyway, my question / s is twofold: what do you think of my plan and how would your plan look like for three nights?

Kirsia, things always go a little different in BKK once you arrive than how you planned it back home and that is a good thing.

I have never played the escort card anywhere. So, I am the wrong guy to ask about Smooci. I prefer to meet my girls in person first and then decide if I want to shag them. Some of those Smooci girls look good to me, but I hear the photos can be old. Still, it's your adventure, so do what you like.

In my last post, I wrote about how I like to spend my evenings in this neck of the woods. I like the Go Go's and highly recommend the two Kings Castle bars for early action, then Spasso around midnight, and Mixx for late late. I hardly ever arrange a LT with a girl for our 1st time together. There are too many unknowns. But if I like her and want her to stay all night after the first shag, it is usually very easy to change the arrangement. Alternatively, it is just as easy and possibly more desirable to say goodnight, put her in a taxi, and head over to Mixx. Yeah, I like the 2nd option better. But that's me.

Spasso is a very different place on Sunday night. I would forget about it and head to the Go Go's or the Soapies on Sunday night. Sunday afternoon is oily massage parlor time. If you like SW, that's as good as any place, better than most for a particular level of service. There are other places with perhaps prettier girls, but less vigorous, yet equally pleasurable service. Up to You! 555.

So, have a great time. Go with the flow. Follow your bliss. AND REPORT BACK!

NB

[Member #4698]

Hey Natty, Thanks for the advise on Grand Hyatt.

I understand that Spasso is in Grand Hyatt and hence my interests in the hotel.

I have RTFF and my following questions

1. Is Mixx about the same type of scene as Spasso? I assume it it a bunch of reasonable to good looking FL?

2. Is Mixx located close to Spasso?

As you know, Spasso is a FL pick up bar in the basement of the Grand Hyatt. Girls who come here are mostly Thai, nicely attired & coiffed, speak English fairly well, and are on average between the ages of 27 and 37. The accepted price is between 4000 baht and 5000 baht for ST. I have never had a Spasso girl that was in a hurry to leave. They have all been very nice girls or should I say ladies. 555. The best time to come here is Thurs, Friday, and Saturday night between 11 pm to 1 am. The last Friday of every month is special theme night. When I was last there it was Cowboy and Indian night with some very attractive Thai girls, working for the bar, dressed appropriately. These girls were not FL's, but most if not all the girls sitting or standing around with a drink in their hand are FL and here for takeout.

Mixx is in the basement of the Intercontinental across the street from the Grand Hyatt. A lot of Spasso girls migrate over to Mixx later in the night after Spasso closes its doors if they have had no luck. The makeup of Mixx girls is more varied the Spasso. There is a larger percentage of imports in Mixx and a significant presence of non P4 P girls. The price for Mixx FL's starts at 4000 baht, but the sky is the limit depending on the girl, what she thinks of herself, and her ethnicity. The non P4P girls are there to have a good time. If you got game, some charm, can dance, and are willling to buy a bottle; they can be had, but not for a fee.

As I wrote previously in the Hotel thread, I like to stay in the neighborhood for a couple of nights per trip just so I can have a little fun in Patpong early and later on in Spasso & Mixx. A typical Thursday or Friday night for me starts out in Patpong around 8:30 pm. I really like Kings Castle 1 & 2. At present, there are a lot of very pretty girls in these two bars making these two Go Go's very competitive IMHO with my favorite Nana and Cowboy Go Go's. KC Barfines are all over the place. I think there are 5 different barfine levels starting out at 500 baht and going up to 1800 baht for their top Agency girls. It is easy to tell the 500 baht barfine girls from the 1800 baht barfine girls, but not so easy to tell a 1400 baht barfiner from an 1800-baht barfiner. On the two consecutive nights that I last paid a visit, I barfined a different girl each night. They were both 1800 barfine girls. They both looked real good to me and as for their service; one girl was in my top 5/ the other girl was in my top 10 girls of my whole trip. Enough said. I went to Spasso later after I was finished with my honeys, but did not take any Spasso girl this last trip. So, I am looking forward to going back and spending more time in Kings Castle both 1 & 2 and checking out Spasso.

TIP: if you start out the evening at Patpong and find a girl you like, barfine her. Don't hold off because of what you think you might find in Spasso later. A sexy cute Thai bird in your hand is worth two or three in the bush.

Back to my typical night out in the neighborhood: if by 11 pm I have not found Miss Right in the several Patpong bars I like to frequent, King's Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, and Electric Blue; then it is time to head to Spasso. At 11 pm on a Thursday, Friday, or Saturday night Spasso is usually going strong with plenty of FL's and unfortunately an almost equal number of sausages. Yes, it is a sausage fest. I don't know where these guys come from, but they are always there. Additionally, it is roughly a 50/50 split between NE Asians and Westerner sausages and some of these guys are wearing fucking sportscoats. Unbelievable! Me, I am dressed up wearing a collared, short sleeve, polo shirt ie an informal golf shirt and fresh laundered jeans. That is me in dress up mode. LOL. In any case, despite the male customer turnout, there are plenty of girls to choose from and they ALL want to make your acquaintance. There is none of that Thermae bull crap going on here although these FL's are older than the Thermae crowd, but better dressed, better educated, and many holding their own nicely. I usually flirt with a couple of the prettier girls and if I like one I let the conversation eventually get around to what everybody came for. My night is usually all set after spending an hour in Spasso.

But once in a while when I can't find what I am looking for and it is around 1 am, then I feel it is time to head over to Mixx. On other nights, I may have just said goodbye to my Patpong girl and put her in a taxi, so I wonder over to Mixx to see what's up. I am usually not disappointed. For some reason this bar, or Discotheque, or whatever you want to call it attracts some very sexy girls both out of towners as well as the local FL talent. The bar opens at 9 pm, but the best time to come here is between 12:30 am to 1 am and the place keeps going strong until way past 3:30 am.

In summary:

Patpong - Kings Castle 1 & 2, Badabing, Electric Blue - 8:30 to 11 pm.
Spasso - 11 pm to 1 am.
Mixx - 1 am until 3:30am although the joint does not close its doors until at least 4 or 5am on weekends.

[Dive Monger]

Thanks for this comment. I will be there early September, so happy to read your experiences. I am not young, but that's not the reason I like these beergarden "older" women. I ma not (have never been) into PSE sex, let's say just "fuck" is not my thing. I like to be with a nice person, has'nt to be the perfect body without kids many punters here are desperately looking for. It come (very irregularly because not private trips) to BKK since 30 years. I have been with a and umber of thai girls / ladies, whether from beergarden, Thermae, gogos (few) or soapies. To tell the truth, I have never met a thai girl really into sex. 30 years ago, it was even very difficult to get a BJ, was a "cultural" probblem. Today it's much easier, of course, but for me who likes oral sex and specially CIM, it is still not easy. From my experiences thai women are not engaging into sex (at least the differenty pros) as compared with brazilian girls who give much better service. But. I like the thin asiatic bodies and their natural kindness. So "normal" sex with a nice person is my thing (preferably FLs). Each of us has his preferences, luckily!

Gannaton48,

It seems we are of a mind here. This trip, both in BKK when I returned (will post after I do my Pattaya reports) and also in Pattaya I took ladies aged 35-43, and every single one of them was fantastic. We all look for PSE in a GFE package, but as I get older the PSE part becomes less important and the GFE component more so. Nest time I'm in town, I'll swing by the beer garden; hardly seems worth it to do the go-gos in Soi Cowboy anymore.

[AskeAske]

You Happy,

If you go in expecting 2 hours multi-pop with every Bangkok bargirl, you are going to get a rude shock. Only a percentage of them will give a really good time, and they are not pornstars.

Thats why I always take LT. Most of my mongering is in Cambodia. No problem there. Many beautiful girl, not to expensive. 10 dollar BF and 30 or 40 dollar for LT.

Sometimes I have a stopover in Bangkok. I love Bangkok. Last time I arrived with the bus 7. Pm. I went to Suhkumvit Station and walked to soi 8. Many beautiful FL on the road. I chose a cheap guesthose, 1. 000 baht for the night. I wanted a massage, but when I came to my favorite place, I changed my mind. Why not take a girl for all the night. No reason to go find FL, as I usualy do. I asked if any of the girls wanted go with me for the night. 4 of them was ready. Price was 5. 000. Maybe a little expensive. Normal I can find a LT for half or even 2. 000, but I was lazy.

Out of the four women, there was a very beautiful one. Not young, but very pretty. Of course I chose her. 35 years old. One child, but a very perfect body, with no damage. More important, so cute and friendly. So sexy and later so horny. Lucky me.

We was together for 10 hour. I had to take taxi to the airport 6. Am. In that 10 hour we slept 2 hour, talked and eat 2 hour. For the 6 hour, we fucked. She was GFE and PSE same time.

Why take a boring young gogo girl, when you can have so great sex with a more experienced women. We both enjoyed the sex. She was really up for a little spanking. She got so horny. What a joy.

Very selldom I do a take contact information to a women in Bangkok, but this time I did. Next time I ask her again.

Life is good. You can find gems. Just look.