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[Hessen Bub]

I believe this to be counterfactual. For example, I've never heard of such a thing regarding Bernd's.

It's not. Bernd's had AO unofficially on the menu.

HB.

[Hessen Bub]

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[DrPoon]

Not just a BJ it would have to be an uncovered BJ in order to meet the statutory requirements! Preferably with finish in mouth in order to show conclusive evidence of criminal intent.

This breaking news is going to really disappoint Mr. Ho. It's his life long dream to get a blow job from a German policewoman.

[UltraHappy]

I presume there is absolutely no way that the German police will make any of its female officers walk around naked at the FKK. That would have to irritate the female German policewomen if it occurred.

This breaking news is going to really disappoint Mr. Ho. It's his life long dream to get a blow job from a German policewoman.

[Mongerer88]

How did Spitzer get busted with Ashley Dupree? I remember it was across state lines, so perhaps that's an explanation, but it was a very high end establishment, they were saying he paid thousands per hour.

thanks M88 - you sound like a true expert in this area.

He was too high-end.

He made large transfers as advance deposits to the agency. Withdrew huge amounts of cash, bought money orders with the cash, made wire transfers, etc.

The banks did a certain type of paperwork to the federal government mostly because he was a politician and there was an assumption that he was being blackmailed or extorted. When the investigation showed the payments were to an escort agency, it mushroomed.

Had he just brought cash to the room like the rest of the johns, it would have been okay. It would have been better if he spent a little bit less to minimize the need for cash, too. He was really spending a lot and buying blocks of time with his favorite when he travelled. And those financial reports would not likely have been filed if it had been anyone else making the transfers. The agency operated for a long time with no problems before he came along, with all of his enemies watching him. And that agency was exceptionally expensive, so a guy had to access a lot of cash. So it isn't really a good comparison to the high-end scene, which usually involves an independent escort operating by herself at lower prices than Spitzer paid.

And strictly speaking, I don't think that Spitzer was charged with any crimes, he just lost his job. And none of the ordinary workers were charged to the best of my recollection, including Ashley. The owners of the agency lost their assets and served time. Ashley married a rich guy and now has an amazingly boring Twitter account where she talks nonstop about the activities of her children. Spitzer probably even stopped following her under an assumed name on Twitter out of boredom.

But agencies are a risk, particularly if the ladies cross state lines, because the federal government can get involved and if loves to seize assets. Independent escorts who screen are the safest; there just aren't arrests. Spitzer probably knows that now.

[DrPoon]

In lower level prostitution in the USA the screening is done in person via having the provider take her top off and checking for microphones to make sure it is not a sting. If the FKK system were to enforce the mandatory nudity rule it would be helpful for hobbyists.

You raise an interesting cultural question. I know very little about Germany.

In the USA At the upper levels of this activity, the police are kept out of the picture by screening and references. She makes sure he isn't a cop, and he knows from reviews or recommendations that she isn't a cop.

But screening is not done at the lower end of the scene, and I have noticed that fewer stings involve policewomen than what a person read about in the old days.

A long time ago when the street and hooker bar scene was prevalent, there were a lot of police women dressed up as hookers to get solicitation arrests.

Once the overall scene, even the lower-end, went indoors via technology, female decoys completely stopped. Most of the time when no screening occurs, the process of making sure neither is a cop is to do a lot of manual touching at first.

Basically, in this age of feminism and sexual harassment complaints, there is no way a police department is going to send a female police officer into a hotel room dressed in a sexy outfit, and have her get felt up by the customer, even if it is just for a few moments and another cop is hiding nearby..

[Member #4581]

How did Spitzer get busted with Ashley Dupree? I remember it was across state lines, so perhaps that's an explanation, but it was a very high end establishment, they were saying he paid thousands per hour.

thanks M88 - you sound like a true expert in this area.

[Member #4581]

How can a forum be a fraction of the FKK market? The total market of what?

There are 15000 reports in Sharks in ISG. LSH has 19000.

Aren't the other major forums removing BBBJ posts? Aside from a few rogue reports, most of the major forums have always self-moderated when it came to AO at mainstream clubs, so I suspect they are hoping that BBBJ will reach same level of self-moderation.

15,000 reports does not make 15,000 reporters.

If your contention is that ISG writers do constitute a major fraction of the total male guest attendance at all the FKK clubs in Germany combined (I. E total market) -- fine, I will leave it there.

I never paid much attention to AO threads, so I can't agreee or disagree whether they are adequately self moderating. If you say so, I will not disagree. (I see plenty of reports in the Dietz thread, but I have never been to Dietz, and don't know if that is a mainstream club or some other kind). I also don't read any other forums, so again can't confirm or deny. I will take your word for it.

That however doesn't prove it will not happen when it comes to BBBJ. Only time will tell. And BTW, they are not rogue reports just because they have a reference to bbbj-- this is in the same vein as the gratuitous insults you guys keep throwing around -- if they confirm to forum rules, they are legitimate, rule abiding reports.

Would mongers who obtain BBBJ, against both the law of land and club rules qualify as "rogue mongers" Why not?

[UltraHappy]

Jackson has his server somewhere outside Germany or USA and credit card payments shows up as some donation.

You notice he thought through some of this stuff with the censorship of certain terms and all.

Sorry to disappoint you but the censorship of certain terms isn't the result of some clever foresight. Rather, it is a condition imposed on the site by the payment processors. Jackson is forced to censor those words as a condition of receiving credit card payments.

[Mongerer88]

Mongerer: that is exactly my thought on how they operate also. It is pure logic to do it that way. I hint about posters here who ask for news regarding BBBJ is an undercover cop.

You raise an interesting cultural question. I know very little about Germany.

In the USA At the upper levels of this activity, the police are kept out of the picture by screening and references. She makes sure he isn't a cop, and he knows from reviews or recommendations that she isn't a cop.

But screening is not done at the lower end of the scene, and I have noticed that fewer stings involve policewomen than what a person read about in the old days.

A long time ago when the street and hooker bar scene was prevalent, there were a lot of police women dressed up as hookers to get solicitation arrests.

Once the overall scene, even the lower-end, went indoors via technology, female decoys completely stopped. Most of the time when no screening occurs, the process of making sure neither is a cop is to do a lot of manual touching at first.

Basically, in this age of feminism and sexual harassment complaints, there is no way a police department is going to send a female police officer into a hotel room dressed in a sexy outfit, and have her get felt up by the customer, even if it is just for a few moments and another cop is hiding nearby.

When these busts happen with fake backpage-type ads, when you read the full story, the evidence is always explicit texts that were traded. When the guy enters the incall hotel room, there are male cops there to arrest him. This isn't very good evidence and the guy gets bad publicity but is allowed to plead it down to nothing. And this makes outcall even safer, because the police department is not going to send a female police officer into a hotel room disguised as a sex worker, with no backup. Sure it happens on stupid TV shows but not in real life.

I presume there is absolutely no way that the German police will make any of its female officers walk around naked at the FKK (or almost naked on lingerie day) and solicit bare back blow jobs. I know Germany is different, but it can't be that much different. That would have to irritate the female German policewomen if it occurred.

[DrPoon]

The redlight districts have always been CBJ. So why even bother. Germany doesn't seem to be a great tourist destination these days.

Hello guys,

I am organizing a FKK bachelor party trip next year and we want to hit up a different FKK clubs every day for 5-7 days. We plan to land in Frankfurt and drive around the country by renting a car to take some nice pictures of the country side to take back home to show our wives. In the mean time, we want to hit up all the well known FKK clubs in Germany. It seems like Oase, Shark, and World are must visit around Frankfurt. What other FKK clubs are worth the drive to beside these big 3's on this forum? Also, Which redlight district can we check out in the mean time? Also, is it good idea to go to FKK around Easter weekend? Thanks guys.

[McAdonis]

Since both sides seem to agree that our little forum here constitutes a very small fraction of the total FKK market, the self moderating proponents still have not answered the question "how do you propose to achieve self moderation beyond this forum" and "why does our discussion here impact the total market".

How can a forum be a fraction of the FKK market? The total market of what?

There are 15000 reports in Sharks in ISG. LSH has 19000.

Aren't the other major forums removing BBBJ posts? Aside from a few rogue reports, most of the major forums have always self-moderated when it came to AO at mainstream clubs, so I suspect they are hoping that BBBJ will reach same level of self-moderation.

[Pistons]

Mongerer: that is exactly my thought on how they operate also. It is pure logic to do it that way. I hint about posters here who ask for news regarding BBBJ is an undercover cop.

[CoolManFever]

Hello guys,

I am organizing a FKK bachelor party trip next year and we want to hit up a different FKK clubs every day for 5-7 days. We plan to land in Frankfurt and drive around the country by renting a car to take some nice pictures of the country side to take back home to show our wives. In the mean time, we want to hit up all the well known FKK clubs in Germany. It seems like Oase, Shark, and World are must visit around Frankfurt. What other FKK clubs are worth the drive to beside these big 3's on this forum? Also, Which redlight district can we check out in the mean time? Also, is it good idea to go to FKK around Easter weekend? Thanks guys.

[PussyLiccker]

Jackson has his server somewhere outside Germany or USA and credit card payments shows up as some donation.

You notice he thought through some of this stuff with the censorship of certain terms and all.